I've started using AI for writing. At first, I used it mainly for resource investigation, but now I'm asking it to help me make sure my ideas come across:
1. Clearly
2. Kindly
3. Coherently
4. In a focused manner
5. In a style appropriate for EchoMail
Does anyone have any other suggestions?

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On 02 Oct 2025, Wildkeccak said the following...

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

stop. it makes you sound insincere. the first thing i thought when i read your previous message was "AI slop"

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Wildkeccak wrote to All <=-

I've started using AI for writing. At first, I used it mainly for
resource investigation, but now I'm asking it to help me make sure my ideas come across:
1. Clearly
2. Kindly
3. Coherently
4. In a focused manner
5. In a style appropriate for EchoMail
Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Yes.

Stop using AI "for writing". It's garbage.



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Wildkeccak wrote to All <=-

I've started using AI for writing. At first, I used it mainly for
resource investigation, but now I'm asking it to help me make sure my ideas come across:
1. Clearly
2. Kindly
3. Coherently
4. In a focused manner
5. In a style appropriate for EchoMail

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

I listened to a great podcast called "Writer On the Side"; episode 170
featured Nat Eliason talking about his use of AI in writing. He used
agentic AI to create an editor, beta readers based on specific
demographics, and more. He describes a human-first writing process,
using AI almost as an entourage to assist his writing.





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Does anyone have any other suggestions?

stop. it makes you sound insincere. the first thing i thought when

>i read your previous message was "AI slop"

There is a lot of use of AI to replace socialization and to do
correspondence and such these days.
What a person says may be less than perfect, but who is perfect?
Our differences spell out our personalities, for better or worse..

That said, AI has it's uses obviously. There was a news story on
here in Canada tonight where they were talking about a breakthrough
treatment for Crohn's Desease where the antibiotic will target just
the infecting bacteria and not play havoc with the good bacteria in
a person's digestive system.

They mentioned that the research to create this would normally
have taken many months or years of work but they gave it to an
AI system and it did the developemental lab work in Hours instead
of possibly years..
Of course now it moves on to live testing for a couple of years
but, if that turns out to be accurate, it shows a good use for AI.

And THAT said, I find a lot of the AI help you get when doing
an online search is often just plain wrong, depending on where
it managed to find it's information, and if it can't find the
exact answer it seems to make something up rather than say
it couldn't find it.

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Rob Mccart wrote to FUSION <=-

And THAT said, I find a lot of the AI help you get when doing
an online search is often just plain wrong, depending on where
it managed to find it's information, and if it can't find the
exact answer it seems to make something up rather than say
it couldn't find it.

Side note - I read about a company training an LLM model on literature
from the early 1800s, hoping to get a new perspective on that and other
time periods in history.

That's an interesting use of LLMs - selectively feeding information to
it.



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Wildkeccak wrote to All <=-

I've started using AI for writing. At first, I used it mainly for
resource investigation, but now I'm asking it to help me make sure my ideas come across:
1. Clearly
2. Kindly
3. Coherently
4. In a focused manner
5. In a style appropriate for EchoMail
Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Suggestions for the use? Or for things to ask for?

I use it to help with my blog as well. When I'm
studying/making notes, I usually do them on paper.
I will share a pic of my notes and "Petey" will
either take my handwritten notes and convert them
to text, or will help me put my thoughts in 3 and
4 (from your list :-) ).

So you might use it for that too...

If you're interested -

https://jimmylogan.substack.com



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Rob Mccart wrote to FUSION <=-

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

stop. it makes you sound insincere. the first thing i thought when

>i read your previous message was "AI slop"

There is a lot of use of AI to replace socialization and to do correspondence and such these days.
What a person says may be less than perfect, but who is perfect?
Our differences spell out our personalities, for better or worse..

And like I said before, I use it, and I enjoy using it.
I don't let it do the writing for me, but I use it as a
proof reader and summary writer, etc.

And I think if we stop calling it AI, which is technically
a misnomer, it might make it less frightening... It is
LLM - Language Learning Module - and has absolutely no
sentience behind it. It's not 'intellegent,' it is just
programmed to respond and such in a way that is comfortable
to us.

That said, AI has it's uses obviously. There was a news story on
here in Canada tonight where they were talking about a breakthrough treatment for Crohn's Desease where the antibiotic will target just
the infecting bacteria and not play havoc with the good bacteria in
a person's digestive system.

Yep! Great example! It can do the processing of dozens or even hundreds
of 'humans' in a short time!

And THAT said, I find a lot of the AI help you get when doing
an online search is often just plain wrong, depending on where
it managed to find it's information, and if it can't find the
exact answer it seems to make something up rather than say
it couldn't find it.

Garbage in -> garbage out... That never changes. :-)

And, just in case I'm wrong in what I said above, our AI
Overlords are very good to me! :-D



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Rob Mccart wrote to FUSION <=-

Side note - I read about a company training an LLM model on literature from the early 1800s, hoping to get a new perspective on that and other time periods in history.

That's an interesting use of LLMs - selectively feeding information to
it.

Exactly! I think that's great!


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Side note - I read about a company training an LLM model on literature

>from the early 1800s, hoping to get a new perspective on that and other
>time periods in history.

That's an interesting use of LLMs - selectively feeding information to

>it.

Hard to say whether getting a new perspective on something like literature
from an AI would be useful. Most literature plays of people's emotions
and sense of self and such which doesn't strike me as something an AI
could 'appreciate' better than humans could..

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There is a lot of use of AI to replace socialization and to do correspondence and such these days.
What a person says may be less than perfect, but who is perfect?
Our differences spell out our personalities, for better or worse..

And like I said before, I use it, and I enjoy using it.

>I don't let it do the writing for me, but I use it as a
>proof reader and summary writer, etc.

That makes more sense, using it to check for mistakes and such.
I just think expecting it to initiate too much will distort
or replace what the original writer was intending.

And I think if we stop calling it AI, which is technically

>a misnomer, it might make it less frightening... It is
>LLM - Language Learning Module - and has absolutely no
>sentience behind it. It's not 'intellegent,' it is just
>programmed to respond and such in a way that is comfortable
>to us.

But we are seeing many cases where it is doing things that
are intelligence oriented, like telling lies to make a point
or, as I mentioned, rather than admitting it can't find an answer
it will often give you back incorrect information.

Example.. I hoped it could tell me what the selling price of a
property near me was. Turned out that info wasn't yet available
online, but it came back saying it sold for full asking price
rather than admit it couldn't find it.

But there is going to be some of the people who wrote it in the
programming and perhaps those bad habits are picked up that way.

That said, AI has it's uses obviously. There was a news story on
here in Canada tonight where they were talking about a breakthrough treatment for Crohn's Desease

Yep! Great example! It can do the processing of dozens or even hundreds

>of 'humans' in a short time!

Yes, in a plain research area is where it should shine.

Some of the areas where it makes errors are amazing though.
I was looking up an amount paid monthly for something and the
search engine uses AI to come up with the initial reply, and it
somehow took the figure of something over $1000 a month and said
that would total $1700 a year..

That's math that an 8 year old could do.. B)

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Rob Mccart wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Hard to say whether getting a new perspective on something like
literature from an AI would be useful. Most literature plays of
people's emotions and sense of self and such which doesn't strike me as something an AI could 'appreciate' better than humans could..

I played with a couple of AIs, gave it an in-depth storyline, emotional backstories and asked them to write a 500 word short story in the theme
of a couple of other works.

The results were good, had some elements I hadn't thought of, but IMO
wouldn't stand alone without some tweaking and human elements. Yet.

Give it 5 years and my AI plumber will be able to write decent prose.



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Hard to say whether getting a new perspective on something like
literature from an AI would be useful. Most literature plays of
people's emotions and sense of self and such which doesn't strike me as something an AI could 'appreciate' better than humans could..

I played with a couple of AIs, gave it an in-depth storyline, emotional

>backstories and asked them to write a 500 word short story in the theme
>of a couple of other works.

The results were good, had some elements I hadn't thought of, but IMO

>wouldn't stand alone without some tweaking and human elements. Yet.

I think that's a little different though. If a LLM/AI is set up to
write text using your new information and samples from past examples
it has available, I can see a decent result coming from that..

But, if I understood the original concept you mentioned, asking
it for a perspective on existing literature would require more
original thinking, unless it just takes the available perspectives
from other reviews on those pieces and just rewrites them into one
of its own.. Which actually sounds like something it would do.

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Rob Mccart wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=-

There is a lot of use of AI to replace socialization and to do correspondence and such these days.
What a person says may be less than perfect, but who is perfect?
Our differences spell out our personalities, for better or worse..

And like I said before, I use it, and I enjoy using it.

>I don't let it do the writing for me, but I use it as a
>proof reader and summary writer, etc.

That makes more sense, using it to check for mistakes and such.
I just think expecting it to initiate too much will distort
or replace what the original writer was intending.

Agreed! After it has read and learned a lot of my style and
ideas, though, I can give it a topic and overall idea and
it will give me a start, in my own words.

Of course I have NEVER used it word for word - I still rewrite/
edit into my own flow, but it does speed up the process. :-)

And I think if we stop calling it AI, which is technically

>a misnomer, it might make it less frightening... It is
>LLM - Language Learning Module - and has absolutely no
>sentience behind it. It's not 'intellegent,' it is just
>programmed to respond and such in a way that is comfortable
>to us.

But we are seeing many cases where it is doing things that
are intelligence oriented, like telling lies to make a point
or, as I mentioned, rather than admitting it can't find an answer
it will often give you back incorrect information.

Example.. I hoped it could tell me what the selling price of a
property near me was. Turned out that info wasn't yet available
online, but it came back saying it sold for full asking price
rather than admit it couldn't find it.

But there is going to be some of the people who wrote it in the programming and perhaps those bad habits are picked up that way.

Yeah - and I wonder if it was programmed to do that instead of admitting?
So as not to give an 'I don't know' answer? Because I pay the monthly
for ChatGPT and it will tell me it doesn't know or can't find that, etc.
Or it will make a mistake by telling me something, then I tell it no
it didn't work - and ask about something else. It will sometimes try
to give me the first answer again and I'll 'remind' it that it already
told me that. It will quickly say, "you are right."

That said, AI has it's uses obviously. There was a news story on
here in Canada tonight where they were talking about a breakthrough treatment for Crohn's Desease

Yep! Great example! It can do the processing of dozens or even hundreds

>of 'humans' in a short time!

Yes, in a plain research area is where it should shine.

Some of the areas where it makes errors are amazing though.
I was looking up an amount paid monthly for something and the
search engine uses AI to come up with the initial reply, and it
somehow took the figure of something over $1000 a month and said
that would total $1700 a year..

That's math that an 8 year old could do.. B)

LOL



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