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    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Tue Sep 16 03:10:00 2025
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Monday 15.09.25 - 13:28, Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker:

    ...but rather than keep employees, they tend to have
    layoffs and hire different people instead.

    If they get rid of people within a few years, they can then
    avoid paying anyone severance. Severance usually requires a
    minimum number of years employment at the same company.




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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Tue Sep 16 03:32:00 2025
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Monday 15.09.25 - 08:58, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    ...When things go badly, the first expenses firms cut are
    advertisements.

    Yep.. Been there. Done that. When lockdowns happened, I
    practically stopped advertising in the newspaper (usually just
    3 times a year during busy seasons) ..but I couldn't justify
    the expense for a local paper.

    Now, I am revisiting ads, but in community groups like the
    local theater that puts out a nice programme magazine that is
    available at every show and in a variety of places in town. I
    think that reaches out to the tourists and locals that I seek
    better than an occassional ad in the paper anyway. https://www.villageplayhouse.ca/
    I also sponsor the https://www.bancroftfieldnaturalists.ca/


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ogg on Tue Sep 16 10:24:06 2025
    Re: market change due to
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Tue Sep 16 2025 03:10 am

    ...but rather than keep employees, they tend to have layoffs and hire
    different people instead.

    If they get rid of people within a few years, they can then avoid paying anyone severance. Severance usually requires a minimum number of years employment at the same company.

    At one of the companies I used to work at (which was a fairly big company), they've had big layoffs where they've let people go who had been there many years, and paid severences. Sometimes, they'd even offer an extra severance bonus if they chose to leave the company before they did their actual layoffs.

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Wed Sep 17 20:23:17 2025
    Re: market change due to
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue Sep 16 2025 03:32 am

    Now, I am revisiting ads, but in community groups like the
    local theater that puts out a nice programme magazine that is
    available at every show and in a variety of places in town. I
    think that reaches out to the tourists and locals that I seek
    better than an occassional ad in the paper anyway.

    Yeah, there are still some cheap venues that can pay themselves. There used to be a bakery near my workplace in which they wrapped the cakes with paper decorated with advertisements. The advertisement company provided the paper for free to the bakery so campaigns were extremely cheap. I doubt they were extremely effective, but if they were inexpensive enough *maybe* they could be worth it.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu Sep 18 07:38:19 2025
    Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Although layoffs are somewhat depressing, I also find it a little
    humorous in a weird way that a lot of tech companies have layoffs
    fairly often, and then hire people later for other projects. Companies always like to have new & different projects to work on so they can
    stay in business, but rather than keep employees, they tend to have layoffs and hire different people instead.

    Contractors are cheaper, and aren't laid off, you just don't extend
    their contract. I've worked in some environments that were
    project-heavy and they people were used to having their contracts end,
    go do something else, then come back in 6 months to work on a new
    project, same teams, same desk.

    My worst layoff story - I worked at Macromedia back in the 90s and left
    in 1997. They started a move from full-spectrum multimedia authoring
    tools to All Internet, All the Time. I was there when they bought the
    company that became Flash, that was the beginning of the change.

    When I was there, we had 400 employees and a normal organizational
    structure. A new CEO brought in duplicate executives (imagine having a
    VP of sales AND a VP of revenues) until the redundant executives left.

    The company ballooned to 1800 employees, then when the .com bubble
    burst, they began massive layoffs. The company dropped to 800
    employees, 80 of which were VP level. One Tenth of the company was a
    VP!

    Layoffs for thee but not for me, indeed.



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