• Whats changed for you since CV?

    From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to All on Sun Feb 2 18:46:25 2025

    I've been ponderering the drop in BBS interest and energy around BBSing in general since the pandemic. When the pandemic first hit we were all at home, had time on our hands, and tons of great collaboration and amazing work came from various coders, sysops, ANSI artists, content creators, and all around great people making the return to BBSing.

    Personally I have the type of job that requires me to go in from 8am to 5pm daily and am rather exhausted at the end of each day. I'm also 53 now so my learning curve is longer and memory is shorter, so collectively can be more frustrating at times. I also had a rather large battle with health, beer, and smoking that vanished me from the BBS world for a year or so.

    For those that started working home during the pandemic, and still work at home after, what changed for you (if anything) regarding your enthusiasm, interest, etc. relating to the hobby? If nothing, great! Just overall curious as it's been quiet as of late and I for one sure miss the times spent not long ago.

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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Mon Feb 3 14:27:44 2025

    Hi, r3c0n.

    I'm afraid I can't be too much help on this exact point because I only really discovered BBSing post COVID. However I have noticed a marked decline in the amount I post these days and I struggle to work out why.

    I feel like I just don't have anything to say or discuss for the most part - but I have no idea why that would be any more true today than a year ago. Possibly I was in the middle of restoring a couple of old machines then, really didn't know which apps did what and so on, so I was probably asking a lot more stupid questions :)

    I dunno, maybe there's less BBS-friendly news? Some of the amazing retro products that came out of all the free time you mentioned probably continued to drizzle onto the market for a couple of years after they were prototyped by their bored-stuck-at-home creators but now the pace is slower?

    The only concrete thing I can say is that there has been way too much politics for my tastes the last couple of months...

    BobW


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  • From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Mon Feb 3 18:53:35 2025



    I'm afraid I can't be too much help on this exact point because I only really discovered BBSing post COVID. However I have noticed a marked decline in the amount I post these days and I struggle to work out why.


    You and I both picked back up BBSing post COVID. While I've been in the BBS community since the early-mid 80's, I have taken extended breaks, mostly out of disappointment over the internet surfacing and the local community going away. So I appreciate hearing your point of view for sure!

    I feel like I just don't have anything to say or discuss for the most
    part - but I have no idea why that would be any more true today than a
    year ago. Possibly I was in the middle of restoring a couple of old machines then, really didn't know which apps did what and so on, so I
    was probably asking a lot more stupid questions :)


    Start a new project and ask more stupid questions :) Thats what I do :) I hear the new Mac Mini is fun, or the Rapsberry Pi5, running Jellyfin?

    I dunno, maybe there's less BBS-friendly news? Some of the amazing retro products that came out of all the free time you mentioned probably continued to drizzle onto the market for a couple of years after they
    were prototyped by their bored-stuck-at-home creators but now the pace
    is slower?


    Yeah I wonder at times if companies haven't streamlined "working at home" to "maximize productivity" and or if people have mastered "looking to be at max productivity while working at home" at times. I honestly don't know, as I don't have that luxury. But I would imagine that the down time is far less generous now than then.


    The only concrete thing I can say is that there has been way too much politics for my tastes the last couple of months...


    It's unfortunate that every current event has been turned into a perceived political conversation and somehow turns into an argument. Sometimes events are just tragic and people would like to discuss them without throwing blame down an isle. I agree that politics has gotten to be a bit much and a reason I have not posted as much as of late either; out of respect of those I likely disagree with but otherwise really enjoy speaking with and learning from. Back in the day BBSing was a place where an alias allowed someone to be their "true self" and along with that there was a heavy dose of debate over a wide range of issues. Also back then moderation to specific "flame/debate/politics" subboards was more prevelant and better controlled than it is now. The good news is that silence usually cures those conversations ;) So I suppose I hear what you're saying.

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  • From Utopian Galt #1@815.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Mon Feb 3 22:38:56 2025


    The only concrete thing I can say is that there has been way too much politics for my tastes the last couple of months...
    Its natural to discuss politics on bbses just as much as facebook, but I try to keep it neutral as I can since I likely have the minority opinion.

    People just don't want to use console mode to play with a bbs these days.


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  • From Phigan #1@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Wed Feb 5 08:14:06 2025

    The only concrete thing I can say is that there has been way too much politics for my tastes the last couple of months...

    Maybe this is it... everyone probably has their panties in a bunch about one thing or another, and the bad taste in the mouth from all the political arguments before and during "the pandemic" is making them think twice about voicing how bunched up their panties are.

    Politics are lame. Let's go back to thinking about tech and geek stuff, then we'll go back to talking about them more.

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  • From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Thu Feb 6 17:42:09 2025


    For the sake of maybe fueling a bit of conversation:

    I never got to play with / use the science lab computers in school and
    I'm still slightly annoyed about it. As it happens I rescued one of
    these school computers (BBC micro) a couple of decades ago and so I
    thought I'd make up for lost ground.


    Wait, what? A Science Lab Computer? I must not have either. I do recall the Apple IIe and Logo, and the "Big Trak" which was super fun when I was in about .. 4th grade maybe? I'm not familiar with the BBC micro, I'll have to check it out! What are you able to do with it?

    Experiment 1 - 3D printed a couple of horseshoe shapes, stuck on
    matching pairs of infrared LEDs and photodiodes, wrote some crappy
    software and: voila! Light gates to measure the speed of moving objects.

    Oh lol! Nice. What 3d printer do you own and do you like it?

    Experiment 2 - ordered up a couple of thermistors from Ali Express and stuck them on the end of some long fly leads (which definitely used to
    be half of a cat5 cable). More crappy software and you have a dual probe temperature graph.

    Haha, I love the crappy software part.


    Old computers really made interfacing sooo much easier than modern
    stuff. OK you can now pick up arduinos, ESP32s and even Raspberry Pis
    for not a lot of money and do the same things - but there's something special about systems that can barely throw a few lines of text on
    screen but are able to interface seamlessly with junk out of your bit
    box :)


    Yeah I remember Paulie420 getting his raspberry pi showing old black and white videos on an Antique TV and just thought that was incredibly cool. Integrating the old an new or just getting old stuff do do fun things is something fun to watch. I personally have not played around with much like that. Mostly just BBSing in terminal, because I want to. Outside of that I have been prepping my garden plans and getting my green house ready for the season. I plan on doubling my garden size this year from about 15x20ft to maybe 30x40ish if I can come up with the energy to do so. If not, I have child labor, I mean children, I can use, my children for clarity.


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  • From Jimmy Mac #1@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Thu Feb 6 19:54:52 2025


    Wait, what? A Science Lab Computer? I must not have either. I do
    recall the Apple IIe and Logo, and the "Big Trak" which was super fun
    when I was in about .. 4th grade maybe? I'm not familiar with the BBC micro, I'll have to check it out! What are you able to do with it?


    LOL!!! I think it was my SR year in High School when we finally received the Commodore PET Computers. Wouldn't mind adding one of those to my collection today!


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  • From Utopian Galt #1@815.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Phigan #1 on Wed Feb 5 22:00:19 2025


    Politics are lame. Let's go back to thinking about tech and geek stuff,
    then we'll go back to talking about them more.
    I am debating if I want to go Mac or get a 4070ti geforce windows box.


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  • From Jahmas #29@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Fri Feb 7 06:40:27 2025

    Outside of that I have been prepping my garden plans and getting my
    green house ready for the season. I plan on doubling my garden size
    this year from about 15x20ft to maybe 30x40ish if I can come up with the energy to do so. If not, I have child labor, I mean children, I can
    use, my children for clarity.
    What zone are you in for gardening?


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  • From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Jimmy Mac #1 on Fri Feb 7 17:43:11 2025




    LOL!!! I think it was my SR year in High School when we finally
    received the Commodore PET Computers. Wouldn't mind adding one of those
    to my collection today!


    Lol! Yeah my lets see .. 9th grade of (yes it as still) Jr. High was the last year we used manual and electric type writters to learn to type.

    By my Junior year in Highschool they finally had basic coding classes, at which point they were teaching:

    10 Print"Hi my name is r3c0n!"
    20 Goto 10

    I wrote a phone number data base and turned that in .. the teacher put me in advanced coding classes :) I had had a c64 since about 1985ish and had been writing in basic for my C-Net BBS long before that class in 1988 lol! But dammit, I don't remember the PET computer. I finally have time to search all of this up.



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  • From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Jahmas #29 on Fri Feb 7 17:47:27 2025



    What zone are you in for gardening?

    I'm in central Indiana, Zone 6. Last year was odd, every time it would rain the plants would look sick as opposed to all past years vegetation "sprung" to life. So I am going to add a considerable amount of compost to my soil this year. We have to turn it every year here as the clay is rather hard otherwise and carrots come end up looking more like softballs. Still taste good but .. I mean .. they don't look like carrots. lol!



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  • From Jahmas #29@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Sat Feb 8 06:14:45 2025

    I wrote a phone number data base and turned that in .. the teacher put
    me in advanced coding classes :) I had had a c64 since about 1985ish
    and had been writing in basic for my C-Net BBS long before that class in 1988 lol! But dammit, I don't remember the PET computer. I finally
    have time to search all of this up.
    I wish I had been in HS then. When I was in HS, there were no pocket calculators yet, only slide rules. I took a course in a recording studio when I graduated. Everything was analog, 16 track Revox or Studer, BGW power amps and Klipsh monitors. The reverb was a huge plate which lived in a concrete vault under the control room floor.


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  • From Jahmas #29@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Sat Feb 8 06:17:47 2025

    I'm in central Indiana, Zone 6. Last year was odd, every time it would
    rain the plants would look sick as opposed to all past years vegetation "sprung" to life. So I am going to add a considerable amount of compost
    to my soil this year. We have to turn it every year here as the clay is rather hard otherwise and carrots come end up looking more like
    softballs. Still taste good but .. I mean .. they don't look like
    carrots. lol!
    Sounds like Cape Cod. I used to live in Maryland and had no problems with squash or tomatoes. Here the growing season is shorter and I have to use other tricks. I can usually start with multiple rows of lettuces however.


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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Sat Feb 8 11:01:05 2025

    Hi, r3c0n.

    I'm afraid I've been neglecting the BBC micro for a while. I have had more pressing concerns because I broke my Acorn A3020 which I use as my daily BBSing machine.


    when I was in about .. 4th grade maybe? I'm not familiar with the BBC micro, I'll have to check it out! What are you able to do with it?

    Well, the Beeb was designed for use in schools so it's not particularly impressive as far as graphics go but it is *very* easy to interface with it. You know, light gates, temperature probes, that kind of thing :)


    Oh lol! Nice. What 3d printer do you own and do you like it?

    It's my son's, actually. Just a bog standard Ender 3 Pro but it has seen a lot of use in random projects. Mostly from me, to be fair!

    Anyway - I had been catastrophising that my beloved A3020 was broken in the permanent sense. The mouse stopped working and they use a special kind of mouse which has basically nothing clever at all inside it so no mouse probably meant broken keyboard & mouse controller on the motherboard. Thankfully when I took it all apart I noticed some funny voltages and realised that, in fact, it was neither the computer nor the mouse but the cable between them.

    Annoyingly it uses a proprietary connector and, what with Acorn having been out of business for years and years, I don't really rate my chances of finding a spare too easily. It's only the ground, though, so I could run an extra wire from the chassis to the mouse and tape / heatshrink it to the existing one.

    More lives than a cat, this thing.

    Best of luck with the garden!

    BobW


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  • From Jimmy Mac #1@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Jahmas #29 on Sun Feb 9 14:52:13 2025



    I wish I had been in HS then. When I was in HS, there were no pocket calculators yet, only slide rules. I took a course in a recording studio when I graduated. Everything was analog, 16 track Revox or Studer, BGW
    power amps and Klipsh monitors. The reverb was a huge plate which lived
    in a concrete vault under the control room floor.

    Funny - In 77 I was not permitted to use a calculator in any of my Math classes, but it was required in my Electronics class. Specifically the TI-30. That I still have, and YES! it still works great!
    I couldn't wait to dump my 'slider' seems like it would be fun today though.


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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Jimmy Mac #1 on Mon Feb 10 07:02:37 2025


    Funny - In 77 I was not permitted to use a calculator in any of my Math classes, but it was required in my Electronics class. Specifically the TI-30. That I still have, and YES! it still works great!
    I couldn't wait to dump my 'slider' seems like it would be fun today though.

    Heh... As I'm (barely) a child of the 80s it always amuses me how anyone *slightly* older than me remembers using slide rules in school but I don't think I've ever actually seen one in real life. The migration away from them must have been incredibly fast.

    I do have a little engineering pocket reference book which I recovered from my grandad's workshop when he died, including metric to imperial conversion tables, thread pitches and the all important logarithm tables. No slide rule, though.

    BobW


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  • From Jimmy Mac #1@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Mon Feb 10 09:14:44 2025


    Heh... As I'm (barely) a child of the 80s it always amuses me how anyone *slightly* older than me remembers using slide rules in school but I
    don't think I've ever actually seen one in real life. The migration away from them must have been incredibly fast.

    I do have a little engineering pocket reference book which I recovered
    from my grandad's workshop when he died, including metric to imperial conversion tables, thread pitches and the all important logarithm
    tables. No slide rule, though.

    They were actually pretty cool. They look like more of a ruler, with tons of lines with a center 'slide' you used to match & calculate for lack of better terms.

    I see them all the time when out at thrift or antique stores. Half the battle ba ck in JR. High (Todays Middle School) was learning how to use one for anything more advanced than simple division.


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  • From Jahmas #29@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Tue Feb 11 05:55:03 2025

    Heh... As I'm (barely) a child of the 80s it always amuses me how anyone *slightly* older than me remembers using slide rules in school but I
    don't think I've ever actually seen one in real life. The migration away from them must have been incredibly fast.
    It was an exponential increase in technology. Yet here I have a bass guitar amp that's has both a tube pre-amp and power amp... weighs a ton but sonically my 100 watt tube amp shakes the house vs a 900 watt class D amp which does not :O


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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Jahmas #29 on Wed Feb 12 03:56:25 2025

    Hi, Jahmas.


    It was an exponential increase in technology. Yet here I have a bass
    guitar amp that's has both a tube pre-amp and power amp... weighs a ton
    but sonically my 100 watt tube amp shakes the house vs a 900 watt class
    D amp which does not :O

    Indeed, progress at that time was insane. Today we have computers that are more powerful than the average user needs or even wants and progress is more pedestrian - a good laptop should fairly easily last you a decade. One of the things that struck me going back to retro computing was (after noting the lack of common parts / interfaces) "oh, yeah - remember the days when a 2 year old computer was basically obsolete?"

    Sophie Wilson (original designer of ARM instruction set) has presented on this several times, even joking that the slide deck hasn't changed in years... basically saying that progress in CPUs has all but stalled. Everything is just adding more cores, which a) doesn't help with a *lot* of tasks, and b) generally can't all run for any period of time because it generates too much heat in too small of a space.

    BobW


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  • From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Jahmas #29 on Wed Feb 12 17:59:19 2025


    I wish I had been in HS then. When I was in HS, there were no pocket calculators yet, only slide rules. I took a course in a recording studio when I graduated. Everything was analog, 16 track Revox or Studer, BGW
    power amps and Klipsh monitors. The reverb was a huge plate which lived
    in a concrete vault under the control room floor.

    It was a great time to be a kid for sure: Atari, C64, VHS, Microwave, Superdisc, the big screen (front projection) so many memories far before HS for sure. What I miss most though is analog :) And my BMX racing. I'd do anything to be young in the 80's again.

    Klipsh is (was?) a great company. Love their speakers, I have their sound bars for my non main TV's, and their Reference speakers in my home theater space. I never heard BGW amps, Krell, Aragon, Sunfire, and others I have though. The music was much better back then than what is available in most stores these days. It's amazing how devalued consumer electronics became, and how quickly price prevailed over quality.

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  • From R3c0n #1@126.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Wed Feb 12 18:08:17 2025



    I'm afraid I've been neglecting the BBC micro for a while. I have had
    more pressing concerns because I broke my Acorn A3020 which I use as my daily BBSing machine.


    Acron? Interesting, I downloaded a bunch of retro filez for my other BBS that included a bunch of Acron software and OS stuff off the wayback machine. I'd never heard of Acron, the British company right? I imagine that it's a sweet machine, did you fix it yet? I'm replying late. My Step Father in law passed away around this time last year and I have an old Compaq computer nobody wanted of his, along with some HP machine that pre-dates or ran in parallel with the 8088. The keyboard input looks proprietary and of course the keyboard is missing, and no hard drive so only 5.25 floppies, with no floppies, one day maybe I'll have a reason to fire it up or repurpose it.


    It's my son's, actually. Just a bog standard Ender 3 Pro but it has seen
    a lot of use in random projects. Mostly from me, to be fair!


    Ha! Every retro (or not) PC "thing" I buy for my kiddos ends up being used by nobody but me. The worst investment (small one thank God) was the Atari throwback system. They played the games once and were eye rolling me :)

    Anyway - I had been catastrophising that my beloved A3020 was broken in
    the permanent sense. The mouse stopped working and they use a special

    I think the most catastrophic fail for me was my zip drive breaking and my ORIGINAL WWIV BBS back up being on that now defective disk. No back up of the back up. I don't recall what I did with the disks but would love to get it back. I think it was either 4.24ish or 4.3 not sure .. wwiv. Really miss that BBS :)


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  • From Jahmas #29@707.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Thu Feb 13 05:42:06 2025

    Klipsh is (was?) a great company. Love their speakers, I have their
    sound bars for my non main TV's, and their Reference speakers in my home theater space. I never heard BGW amps, Krell, Aragon, Sunfire, and
    others I have though. The music was much better back then than what is available in most stores these days. It's amazing how devalued consumer electronics became, and how quickly price prevailed over quality.
    The engineer, Bill Mueller, used to work with Robert Heil who had Heil sound company. Pink Floyd did their "Dark Side of the Moon" tour of the US in 1973? Anyhow there was a stage mishap at the beginning of an outdoor concert. A curtain weight broke loose and fell into a flash pot causing an explosion that blew a section of stage out into the audience and nuked their whole sound system. Robert Heil sent several tractor trailors of speakers etc., to the scene and Bill Mueller set it up, replacing all of their drivers. Alan Parsons was the road engineer for Floyd and Bill remained on the tour as the concert engineer to trouble shoot and shape the sound. Bill told me he was not keen on Pink Floyd at first but when they played he was blown away. The small studio in Timonium Md. got to do a lot of production like Robert Palmer, Pressure Drop LP, Little Feat, "Feats Don't Fail Me Now" and later, lots of Winham Hill, Tori Amos, Michael Hedges etc. He is still producing and engineering to this day. Still teaching as well....


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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to R3c0n #1 on Thu Feb 13 14:10:20 2025

    Hi, r3c0n.


    Acron? Interesting, I downloaded a bunch of retro filez for my other
    BBS that included a bunch of Acron software and OS stuff off the wayback

    Acorn, like the thing oak trees grow from :) It's a cracking system, I think I lucked out having that by total chance. Well, that and the power of hoarding.


    machine that pre-dates or ran in parallel with the 8088. The keyboard
    input looks proprietary and of course the keyboard is missing, and no
    hard drive so only 5.25 floppies, with no floppies, one day maybe I'll
    have a reason to fire it up or repurpose it.

    Eugh... missing proprietary stuff :( Thankfully my one is a wedge form factor so you can't lose the keyboard. I almost left the mouse when I found it, and that turns out to be proprietary so I'm glad I didn't. I managed to find some 3.5" floppies for it but the only working drive I had was *in* the Acorn... I ended up writing software in BASIC to receive a disc (Acorn spelling) image over serial, write it to RAM disc, then write it a track at a time to the floppy.

    It takes a while to get a working copy of Lemmings that way but it does get there eventually!

    BobW


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  • From Weatherman@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Thu Feb 13 19:32:13 2025

    Indeed, progress at that time was insane. Today we have computers that
    are more powerful than the average user needs or even wants and progress
    is more pedestrian - a good laptop should fairly easily last you a
    decade. One of the things that struck me going back to retro computing
    was (after noting the lack of common parts / interfaces) "oh, yeah - remember the days when a 2 year old computer was basically obsolete?"

    I try to find the "sweet spot" when I do my own every 10 years upgrades these days. Near the top of the line, so I can make it another 10 years without significant upgrading.

    Speaking of that, I just noticed I can now get 2Gbps fiber Internet vs my current 1Gbps. Now granted, I am a major bandwidth hog and run several servers in the house. I'm still good with 1Gbps. But I will also never say something is too much in the long run.

    - Mark

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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Weatherman #1 on Fri Feb 14 03:32:05 2025

    Hi, Mark.

    Speaking of that, I just noticed I can now get 2Gbps fiber Internet vs mycurrent 1Gbps. Now granted, I am a major bandwidth hog and run
    several serversin the house. I'm still good with 1Gbps. But I will
    also never say somethingis too much in the long run.

    Heha - I work in the ISP space, basically selling the hardware / software / services behind the fibre to the home networks used for residential high speed Internet.

    I've often discussed with my customers "who needs 900M?" - a lot of them agree but they're happy to sell it! The fact is the actual usage is way, way lower so actually whether you sell the end user 500M, 1G, 2G, 5G... they're just going to use the same. What it does mean is that the end user pays more (for a while, at least, until the value erodes over time) and / or the ISP has some competetive advantage against local rivals because they offer "more".

    Meanwhile I was still using the bog standard 80 down / 20 up at home and only actually upgraded because the cheapest option I could find happened to also be a 150 / 30 service.

    BobW


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  • From Utopian Galt #1@815.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Fri Feb 14 11:26:47 2025


    Heha - I work in the ISP space, basically selling the hardware /
    software / services behind the fibre to the home networks used for residential high speed Internet.
    Because your nation is smaller than USA/CAN, internet is usually affordable. I remember going to Greenwich where I told a Vodafone salesperson, I would love those prices for internet in my country. I only have 600mb internet for my household.


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  • From Dmxrob #1@130.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Fri Feb 14 15:20:00 2025


    Heha - I work in the ISP space, basically selling the hardware /
    software / services behind the fibre to the home networks used for residential high speed Internet.

    I've often discussed with my customers "who needs 900M?" - a lot of them agree but they're happy to sell it! The fact is the actual usage is way, way lower so actually whether you sell the end user 500M, 1G, 2G, 5G...

    I've made this argument with so many people through the years. I "need" 1GB, I "need" 10GB, etc. etc. No. No you don't.

    I've WFH since before WFH was a thing in 2020. I have plenty of industrial gear here from Enteprise class firewalls and routers, to a dedicated appliance that just tries to detect intrusions.

    At no point in the past 5 years have I ever, EVER, used more than 100mb of download speed at any one time. And that was with everything SCREAMING. Typical days see 20mb or less.

    Yet my fiber company is always sending out ads to "upgrade now to 10GB" for some insane price. Never mind the fact that NO consumer grade gear will handle that much bandwidth. Just upgrade now, pay more, and you can have that shiny new gizmo while you post about how you don't know how you will ever be able to afford retirement!

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  • From Mhansel739 #3@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Sat Feb 15 05:37:10 2025


    Heha - I work in the ISP space, basically selling the hardware /
    software / services behind the fibre to the home networks used for residential high speed Internet.

    I've often discussed with my customers "who needs 900M?" - a lot of them agree but they're happy to sell it! The fact is the actual usage is way,
    So, are you selling the internal devices to the consumers, such as the eero mesh-WiFi equipment? Or are you selling the Kalex (sp) equipment that the ISP is using? I am just curious. We have fiber to the house through Shentel (VA) and have 1 gig synchronous. Unfortunately, while they do offer faster speeds, the equipment (which happens to be Kalex) is older and cannot handle the faster speeds without an equipment upgrade. I was told by a tech recently that it is slated in the next couple years.

    Honestly, I had 300/25 before and that was absolutely fine. Do I like that the download speeds are better? Hell yeah. Uploads all depend on the receiver's bandwidth. So, no, we don't all need 900M or higher. :)
    --Matt


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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Utopian Galt #1 on Sat Feb 15 09:01:13 2025

    Hi,

    Because your nation is smaller than USA/CAN, internet is usually affordable. I remember going to Greenwich where I told a Vodafone

    I think the biggest factor is the anti-monopoly legislation. As soon as they opened it up you had small players offering keenly priced services, not to mention bringing fibre into rural places where Openreach would never go. Or at least would never go until they hear a competitor is rolling out there, then they suddenly decide it's a good idea...

    There's no reason for densely populated areas to have expensive Internet in an open market, it's almost always because the provider has a monopoly.

    BobW


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  • From Bob Worm #81@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Mhansel739 #3 on Sat Feb 15 09:11:33 2025

    Hi, Matt.


    So, are you selling the internal devices to the consumers, such as the
    eero mesh-WiFi equipment? Or are you selling the Kalex (sp) equipment
    that the ISP is using? I am just curious. We have fiber to the house
    through Shentel (VA) and have 1 gig synchronous. Unfortunately, while
    they do offer faster speeds, the equipment (which happens to be Kalex)
    is older and cannot handle the faster speeds without an equipment
    upgrade. I was told by a tech recently that it is slated in the next
    couple years.

    Yes to both. We don't sell Calix (I believe they are fully direct rather than via resellers?) but we do sell Nokia and some others - both the stuff for the street cabinets and the end user devices.

    Interesting that they do gig synchronous, that would suggest that it's not GPON but either XGS-PON or Ethernet. I tried to have a look at their web site to see what they offer but it noticed I was in the UK and wouldn't serve me up anything other than a "we don't have service in your area" page. So I've no idea what upgrade they're planning :) Possibly they are upgrading GPON to XGS-PON (you can have both on he same fibre so it's a nice migration option) or maybe they just have to run in some bigger backhaul links in their core? Dunno. You'd probably be looking at new equipment in the home anyway.

    BobW


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  • From Weatherman@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Sun Feb 16 09:46:18 2025

    I've often discussed with my customers "who needs 900M?" - a lot of them agree but they're happy to sell it! The fact is the actual usage is way, way lower so actually whether you sell the end user 500M, 1G, 2G, 5G... they're just going to use the same. What it does mean is that the end
    user pays more (for a while, at least, until the value erodes over time) and / or the ISP has some competetive advantage against local rivals because they offer "more".

    I agree that the vast majority never use anywhere near their Internet speed limits. However, I'm in that 1% that actually has maxed out my 1Gbps connection from time to time. I average around 3Tbytes of traffic per month.

    When I switched to fiber, I elected to get the highest speed at the time and grow into it. The price difference wasn't that much, which at the time it was $59.99 for 500M or $79.99 for 1G.

    They just raised my price a bit this past month to $84.99, but still not bad for my usage.

    - Mark

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  • From Mhansel739 #3@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Bob Worm #81 on Mon Feb 17 07:22:50 2025

    Yes to both. We don't sell Calix (I believe they are fully direct rather
    than via resellers?) but we do sell Nokia and some others - both the
    stuff for the street cabinets and the end user devices.
    Interesting. I am always interested in learning about this. I am not in industry anymore (used to be in the MSP arena for almost 30 years), but keep
    my ear to the ground in case I learn something useful for my students.

    Interesting that they do gig synchronous, that would suggest that it's
    not GPON but either XGS-PON or Ethernet. I tried to have a look at their
    web site to see what they offer but it noticed I was in the UK and
    wouldn't serve me up anything other than a "we don't have service in
    your area" page. So I've no idea what upgrade they're planning :)
    Yes, the tech told me they just set everyone that way (that is the "short" version). When I first got service, they provisioned my circuit to 1 gig synchronus, which was a big thing for me. (When I first got service we had
    some "issues" and I think it was to make up for that). As I mentioned in my previous post, I cannot remember exactly what the tech said about what was being upgraded. There were things that had to be done at the residence and at the central office (yeah, not the exact term, but similar concept).
    Thanks for the info.
    --Matt

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  • From Mhansel739 #3@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Weatherman #1 on Mon Feb 17 07:25:56 2025


    When I switched to fiber, I elected to get the highest speed at the time andgrow into it. The price difference wasn't that much, which at the
    time it was$59.99 for 500M or $79.99 for 1G.

    They just raised my price a bit this past month to $84.99, but still not badfor my usage.
    We currently have 1G synchronous for $80 per month. I am sure we have a price increase coming soon. As I mentioned in my post with BobW, the current fiber equipment we have in the neighborhood maxes at 1G, so I will be on this until they do upgrades. (And, I may stay there with only my wife and I in the house. We are not, by any stretch, using that bandwidth).
    --Matt


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  • From Weatherman@11:1/101 to Mhansel739 #3 on Mon Feb 17 20:46:57 2025

    We currently have 1G synchronous for $80 per month. I am sure we have a price increase coming soon. As I mentioned in my post with BobW, the
    current fiber equipment we have in the neighborhood maxes at 1G, so I will be on this until they do upgrades. (And, I may stay there with only my
    wife and I in the house. We are not, by any stretch, using that
    bandwidth). --Matt

    Same speed I have, and even being the bandwidth hog that I am, will only max it now and then. I know better than to say that "is the most I'll ever need", but right now it is. You never know what is on the horizon - like 16k live TV, etc.

    - Mark

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  • From Mhansel739 #3@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Weatherman #1 on Tue Feb 18 06:01:21 2025


    Same speed I have, and even being the bandwidth hog that I am, will only
    max itnow and then. I know better than to say that "is the most I'll
    ever need", butright now it is. You never know what is on the horizon - like 16k live TV,etc.
    That is right. You never know what you may need all that extra bandwidth for. It is nice to watch downloads happen much faster. What I really need to do (but I am 100% sure the wife will NOT allow) is to run CAT5e/CAT6 to each room (or at least to MY office) so I can be hardwired from the router. I did check to see what type of cabling they builders used for the phones. They used CAT5e, but daisy-chained the damn things! No home runs. I was thinking if they did home runs, I could swap the ends and have a hardwired network.
    Nope - and I know that running cabling in an EXISTING building is a pain in the arse. I will just have to live with what I have.
    --Matt


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  • From Weatherman@11:1/101 to Mhansel739 #3 on Wed Feb 19 07:22:25 2025

    That is right. You never know what you may need all that extra bandwidth for. It is nice to watch downloads happen much faster. What I really need

    Yes, and it is typically less expensive to get the higher speed now vs upgrading it later. The "new customer" pricing is typically better.

    to do (but I am 100% sure the wife will NOT allow) is to run CAT5e/CAT6 to each room (or at least to MY office) so I can be hardwired from the
    router. I did check to see what type of cabling they builders used for the phones. They used CAT5e, but daisy-chained the damn things! No home runs.
    I was thinking if they did home runs, I could swap the ends and have a hardwired network. Nope - and I know that running cabling in an EXISTING building is a pain in the arse. I will just have to live with what I have.

    That was one of the first things I did when we moved here 18 years ago. I ran lots of cat5e to all the rooms (at least 4 drops per room). I have around 70-80 cat5e drops in the house two 1U 48-port patch panels. I also have wireless as well, mostly for mobile stuff and IOT devices.

    But network engineering is also my profession, so I have to have a high end home network. :)

    - Mark

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  • From Mhansel739 #3@137.Wwivnet@11:1/101 to Weatherman #1 on Thu Feb 20 05:52:32 2025


    But network engineering is also my profession, so I have to have a high endhome network. :)
    Well, that makes sense. I am not going to be running cabling through my house. As noted, I was "hoping" it would be home-runs back to the main area and I could "convert" it. We have no drop ceilings and I do NOT believe they had conduit running to the rooms. My office is hardwired, but relies on a mesh WiFi network to communicate with the router, etc. It works well enough.
    --Matt


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