• Unusual train

    From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 11:24:18 2025
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    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 11:37:52 2025
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    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a bit
    of an extravagence!



    Does Sound interesting,, Apart from Motorail and the Channel shuttles way
    back I donrCOt think I have seen any registered cars on any train. Could they be owned by the freight company and provided to get some staff like some managers on an out of office day tour back to base or home.
    It would be similar to the guards of old slinging a bike in the van to
    cycle home from a yard.
    GH
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 12:49:30 2025
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    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going
    anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Theo
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  • From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 12:50:41 2025
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    On 16 Jul 2025 11:37:52 GMT
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wibbled:
    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car >transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which

    were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >bit
    of an extravagence!



    Does Sound interesting,, Apart from Motorail and the Channel shuttles way >back I donrCOt think I have seen any registered cars on any train. Could they >be owned by the freight company and provided to get some staff like some >managers on an out of office day tour back to base or home.
    It would be similar to the guards of old slinging a bike in the van to
    cycle home from a yard.

    Both cars had been cleaned and were both focuses so I suspect not. Plus I imagine most freight companies would take a dim view of staff transporting their own cars on the trains.

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  • From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 12:51:48 2025
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    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco.
    Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like >Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But >there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars >for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going >anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would
    be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.

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  • From Clank@clank75@googlemail.com to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 16:25:54 2025
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    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco.
    Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like
    Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But >> there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars >> for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going
    anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would
    be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    (Tongue firmly in cheek - I very much doubt UK Rules & Regulations would
    allow for such things on the railway.)
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  • From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 13:32:03 2025
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    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:25:54 +0300
    Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wibbled:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like
    Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But >>> there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars >>> for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going
    anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would
    be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge >freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    I've seen that in France a lot - car parked on freight barges, particularly on the Seine. Doesn't seem to be a thing in the UK.

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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 13:41:18 2025
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    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:25:54 +0300
    Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wibbled:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like >>>> Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But >>>> there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going >>>> anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would >>> be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge
    freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    I've seen that in France a lot - car parked on freight barges, particularly on
    the Seine. Doesn't seem to be a thing in the UK.

    Common all over the continent wherever large inland vessels ply. IrCOve seen it in France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, and IrCOm sure it happens elsewhere. IIRC IrCOve seen it on the Canal du Midi, though the car was
    quite a small one.

    Sam
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  • From nib@news@ingram-bromley.co.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 14:49:27 2025
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    On 2025-07-16 14:25, Clank wrote:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates.-a Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export?-a Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like
    Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going
    in.-a But
    there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to
    get cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going
    anyway.-a Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would
    be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey.-a Could be that ;-).

    (Tongue firmly in cheek - I very much doubt UK Rules & Regulations would allow for such things on the railway.)

    And on many larger barges in Germany, though the cars are not usually clapped-out or cheap-looking! There's usually a hoist to unload them as
    well.

    nib
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 14:52:21 2025
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    On 16/07/2025 14:25, Clank wrote:

    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey.-a Could be that Efye.


    Quite common to see a car or van on workboats - they usually have a
    small crane so easy for them to lift off and on the vessel.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 13:57:21 2025
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    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 11:37:52 GMT
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wibbled:
    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which

    were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >> bit
    of an extravagence!



    Does Sound interesting,, Apart from Motorail and the Channel shuttles way
    back I donrCOt think I have seen any registered cars on any train. Could they
    be owned by the freight company and provided to get some staff like some
    managers on an out of office day tour back to base or home.
    It would be similar to the guards of old slinging a bike in the van to
    cycle home from a yard.

    Both cars had been cleaned and were both focuses so I suspect not. Plus I imagine most freight companies would take a dim view of staff transporting their own cars on the trains.



    Going back to the Ford factory for whatever reason? Presumably itrCOs the
    train that imports Fords in the other direction?

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  • From Adrian@bulleid@ku.gro.lioff to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 14:50:00 2025
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    In message <1058991$l688$1@dont-email.me>, Clank
    <clank75@googlemail.com> writes
    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the
    huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's >transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).


    Somewhere, I've got a photo taken in the 70s of a Mini parked on the
    stern deck of a barge in the UK.

    Adrian
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  • From Peter Able@stuck@home.com to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 14:44:58 2025
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    On 16/07/2025 12:24, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a bit
    of an extravagence!


    You don't mention the direction. Every weekday a long train of car
    carriers heads south through Crewe at about 1720. The most vehicles
    I've seen on it is about 8 cars/vans. The most common is zero.

    I've always assumed that the return journey might be better loaded.
    --
    PA
    --

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  • From Bevan Price@bevanprice666@gmail.com to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 15:52:26 2025
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    On 16/07/2025 12:24, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a bit
    of an extravagence!


    About what time and in what direction ?


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  • From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 15:16:26 2025
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    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 14:44:58 +0100
    Peter Able <stuck@home.com> wibbled:
    On 16/07/2025 12:24, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car >transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which >> were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >bit
    of an extravagence!


    You don't mention the direction. Every weekday a long train of car

    East.


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  • From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 15:16:47 2025
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    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:52:26 +0100
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wibbled:
    On 16/07/2025 12:24, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car >transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which >> were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >bit
    of an extravagence!


    About what time and in what direction ?

    East at about 10.30 am.

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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 15:29:27 2025
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    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco.
    Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Theo


    But the OP mentioned the cars had plates ,presumably registration as he got
    an indication of their age. You donrCOt register cars for export. The trains bound for for Southampton are full as the flow there is cars being exported. It may be different at other ports.

    GH
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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 15:32:35 2025
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    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 11:37:52 GMT
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wibbled:
    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which

    were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >> bit
    of an extravagence!



    Does Sound interesting,, Apart from Motorail and the Channel shuttles way
    back I donrCOt think I have seen any registered cars on any train. Could they
    be owned by the freight company and provided to get some staff like some
    managers on an out of office day tour back to base or home.
    It would be similar to the guards of old slinging a bike in the van to
    cycle home from a yard.

    Both cars had been cleaned and were both focuses so I suspect not. Plus I imagine most freight companies would take a dim view of staff transporting their own cars on the trains.



    I was thinking along the lines that they were managers company cars on an official visit rather than just being slapped on without permission.

    GH
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  • From Bevan Price@bevanprice666@gmail.com to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 16:49:07 2025
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    On 16/07/2025 16:16, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:52:26 +0100
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wibbled:
    On 16/07/2025 12:24, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which
    were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >> bit
    of an extravagence!


    About what time and in what direction ?

    East at about 10.30 am.


    From Real Time Trains today (16 July) the nearest I can find is
    4L49, 04:09 Crewe Basford Hall - London Gateway worked by Freightliner
    FL), passed Hampstead Heath 10:14, but that should be a liner (modal)
    train. Most FL locos are green, but recent repaints are mostly orange.

    Yesterday (15 July) at about 10:45, there was 4L24 East Midlands Gateway
    - London Gateway worked by GBRF (most locos blue)


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 16:14:08 2025
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    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/07/2025 16:16, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 15:52:26 +0100
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wibbled:
    On 16/07/2025 12:24, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter
    train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. Neither of which
    were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand vehicles by rail seems a >>> bit
    of an extravagence!


    About what time and in what direction ?

    East at about 10.30 am.


    From Real Time Trains today (16 July) the nearest I can find is
    4L49, 04:09 Crewe Basford Hall - London Gateway worked by Freightliner
    FL), passed Hampstead Heath 10:14, but that should be a liner (modal)
    train. Most FL locos are green, but recent repaints are mostly orange.

    Yesterday (15 July) at about 10:45, there was 4L24 East Midlands Gateway
    - London Gateway worked by GBRF (most locos blue)




    Try <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H54273/2025-07-15/detailed#allox_id=0>,
    6L38 1741 Mossend Down Yard Gbrf to Dagenham Dock Recp Gbrf, "RfD
    Automotive (Vehicles)", Operated with 66786

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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 18:14:20 2025
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    In uk.railway Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export customer has ordered this time.

    Theo


    But the OP mentioned the cars had plates ,presumably registration as he got an indication of their age. You donrCOt register cars for export. The trains bound for for Southampton are full as the flow there is cars being exported. It may be different at other ports.

    Many exports are used cars. The model is that exporters buy cars on the secondary market (part exchanges, auctions or scrap dealers) and then put
    them on a ship bound for a market such as southern Africa or Pakistan (where they drive on the left). They may de-list them from the UK register as
    being exported once loaded onto a ship (may or may not remove number plates) but until they enter the port they are still UK registered vehicles. They
    may be no longer legal to drive on the road which is why they need to be transported.

    Theo
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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 18:19:38 2025
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    On 16/07/2025 14:25, Clank wrote:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates.-a Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export?-a Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like
    Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going
    in.-a But
    there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to
    get cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going
    anyway.-a Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would
    be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey.-a Could be that ;-).

    Very common on the Rhine and associated rivers.
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.


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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Wed Jul 16 18:20:11 2025
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    On 16/07/2025 14:32, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:25:54 +0300
    Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wibbled:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like >>>> Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But >>>> there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going >>>> anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would >>> be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge
    freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    I've seen that in France a lot - car parked on freight barges, particularly on
    the Seine. Doesn't seem to be a thing in the UK.


    We don't have much in the way of freight barges.
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 18:31:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In uk.railway Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
    Try <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H54273/2025-07-15/detailed#allox_id=0>,
    6L38 1741 Mossend Down Yard Gbrf to Dagenham Dock Recp Gbrf, "RfD
    Automotive (Vehicles)", Operated with 66786

    This looks like the prior working:

    66786 6x77 Dagenham Docks GBRf - Mossend Yard GBRf Cartics, 14th July 2025 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkewdHaVS8

    ie it took this train of cars from a ship at Ford's Dagenham facility to Mossend, and this was the return working. A similar working in 2018 had 4
    cars on it, seemingly with number plates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofOqaOa2bo

    but I can't identify models to confirm if they're Ford or other makes.

    Theo
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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Wed Jul 16 18:27:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    In uk.railway Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car
    transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand
    vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like
    Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But >>> there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get cars >>> for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going
    anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export
    customer has ordered this time.

    Theo


    But the OP mentioned the cars had plates ,presumably registration as he got >> an indication of their age. You donrCOt register cars for export. The
    trains bound for for Southampton are full as the flow there is cars being >> exported. It may be different at other ports.

    Many exports are used cars. The model is that exporters buy cars on the secondary market (part exchanges, auctions or scrap dealers) and then put them on a ship bound for a market such as southern Africa or Pakistan (where they drive on the left). They may de-list them from the UK register as
    being exported once loaded onto a ship (may or may not remove number plates) but until they enter the port they are still UK registered vehicles. They may be no longer legal to drive on the road which is why they need to be transported.

    Theo


    As aI visit Southampton Docks at least twice weekly I am well aware of goes through it.
    second hand cars do not get transported to there by train. The flows are
    new ones from Jaguar ,Land Rover ,and MINI.
    Real estate in Southampton Docks is at a premium and they have had to
    construct multi story car parks to handle the car exports . They donrCOt want the docks cluttered up with low value second hand wrecks so the number
    of such vehicles passing through Southampton is tiny or non existant.
    Second hand commercial vehicles such as lorries, buses diggers etc which
    are worth more are dealt with but it isnrCOt a large number anymore. Countries which drive on the left have long realised that getting cars from Japan gives better value due to their stiffer equivalent of an MOT making younger and better vehicles available. Southampton actually had a thriving business in importing such vehicles about 20 years ago with a couple of somewhat dodgy looking traders based in the docks but the revival and expansion of the cruise ship business meant the land was required for new facilities so the grey import business left..

    As I said it may be different at other Ports.

    GH
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  • From Muttley@Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Thu Jul 17 07:15:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 18:20:11 +0100
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wibbled:
    On 16/07/2025 14:32, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:25:54 +0300
    Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wibbled:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car >>>>>> transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand >>>>>> vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like >>>>> Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But

    there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get >cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going >>>>> anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export >>>>> customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would >>>> be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge >>> freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    I've seen that in France a lot - car parked on freight barges, particularly >on
    the Seine. Doesn't seem to be a thing in the UK.


    We don't have much in the way of freight barges.

    There's a few on the lower reaches of the thames but admittedy they're
    mostly rubbish barges.


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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Thu Jul 17 18:20:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    In uk.railway Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
    Try
    <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H54273/2025-07-15/detailed#allox_id=0>,
    6L38 1741 Mossend Down Yard Gbrf to Dagenham Dock Recp Gbrf, "RfD
    Automotive (Vehicles)", Operated with 66786

    This looks like the prior working:

    66786 6x77 Dagenham Docks GBRf - Mossend Yard GBRf Cartics, 14th July 2025 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkewdHaVS8

    ie it took this train of cars from a ship at Ford's Dagenham facility to Mossend, and this was the return working. A similar working in 2018 had 4 cars on it, seemingly with number plates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofOqaOa2bo

    but I can't identify models to confirm if they're Ford or other makes.

    5 cars, and they certainly look like Fords.

    Sam
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway,uk.transport.london on Thu Jul 17 18:20:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    <Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org> wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 18:20:11 +0100
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wibbled:
    On 16/07/2025 14:32, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 16:25:54 +0300
    Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wibbled:
    On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote:
    On 16 Jul 2025 12:49:30 +0100 (BST)
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wibbled:
    In uk.railway Muttley@dastardlyhq.org wrote:
    Waiting at Hamstead Heath overground this morning, a 66 hauled car >>>>>>> transporter train went past with only 2 cars right up next to the loco. >>>>>>> Neither of which were new going by the plates. Delivering 2nd hand >>>>>>> vehicles by rail seems a bit of an extravagence!

    Cars for export? Presumably the transporter is heading to a port like >>>>>> Southampton to collect imported cars, and is normally empty going in. But

    there's a big export trade in cars, and it would be a cheap way to get >> cars
    for export from the midlands/north to the port since the train is going >>>>>> anyway. Perhaps the flow varies based on demand, ie what the export >>>>>> customer has ordered this time.

    Makes as much sense as anything else though I would have thought it would >>>>> be simpler just to stick 2 cars on the back of a lorry.


    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the huge >>>> freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    I've seen that in France a lot - car parked on freight barges, particularly >> on
    the Seine. Doesn't seem to be a thing in the UK.


    We don't have much in the way of freight barges.

    There's a few on the lower reaches of the thames but admittedy they're
    mostly rubbish barges.

    Typical British crap - we should get better barges like they do everywhere else.

    Sam
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 04:19:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In message <O8LJwDKI46doFwQz@ku.gro.lloiff>, at 14:50:00 on Wed, 16 Jul
    2025, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> remarked:
    In message <1058991$l688$1@dont-email.me>, Clank
    <clank75@googlemail.com> writes
    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the
    huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's >>transport at either end of the journey. Could be that ;-).

    Somewhere, I've got a photo taken in the 70s of a Mini parked on the
    stern deck of a barge in the UK.

    I've got a photo of a caravan parked on a barge, which was an early idea
    for a hire "boat", in this case on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.
    --
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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 08:34:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    On 18/07/2025 04:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <O8LJwDKI46doFwQz@ku.gro.lloiff>, at 14:50:00 on Wed, 16 Jul 2025, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> remarked:
    In message <1058991$l688$1@dont-email.me>, Clank
    <clank75@googlemail.com> writes
    You'll occasionally see a clapped-out car parked on the deck of the
    huge freight barges that plough the Chaophraya, presumably the crew's
    transport at either end of the journey.-a Could be that ;-).

    Somewhere, I've got a photo taken in the 70s of a Mini parked on the
    stern deck of a barge in the UK.

    I've got a photo of a caravan parked on a barge, which was an early idea
    for a hire "boat", in this case on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.

    I colleague of mine lived in a ex-GWR coach mounted on a barge. Moored
    on the Thames near Windsor.
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.


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  • From Adrian@bulleid@ku.gro.lioff to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 13:39:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In message <bJCdWdna1beoFAJd@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    writes
    I've got a photo of a caravan parked on a barge, which was an early
    idea for a hire "boat", in this case on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.

    Ooh, I remember that, hmm, 50 years ago (shudder). IIRC, the barge had
    a rising platform (sort of thing you'd find at a garage) that the
    caravan could be parked on, then it was lowered into the hold. Bring
    your own caravan, and all you could see out of the windows as the inside
    of the hold.

    Adrian
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 17:48:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In message <BWfdrWETCkeoFwri@ku.gro.lloiff>, at 13:39:47 on Fri, 18 Jul
    2025, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> remarked:
    In message <bJCdWdna1beoFAJd@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >writes
    I've got a photo of a caravan parked on a barge, which was an early
    idea for a hire "boat", in this case on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.

    Ooh, I remember that, hmm, 50 years ago (shudder).

    My photo dates to 1973.

    IIRC, the barge had a rising platform (sort of thing you'd find at a
    garage) that the caravan could be parked on, then it was lowered into
    the hold. Bring your own caravan, and all you could see out of the
    windows as the inside of the hold.

    And there was a sort of cabin at the back, from inside which you used to
    drive the barge (yes, not a narrowboat, it was wider).
    --
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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 18:25:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <BWfdrWETCkeoFwri@ku.gro.lloiff>, at 13:39:47 on Fri, 18 Jul 2025, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> remarked:
    In message <bJCdWdna1beoFAJd@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    writes
    I've got a photo of a caravan parked on a barge, which was an early
    idea for a hire "boat", in this case on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.

    Ooh, I remember that, hmm, 50 years ago (shudder).

    My photo dates to 1973.

    IIRC, the barge had a rising platform (sort of thing you'd find at a
    garage) that the caravan could be parked on, then it was lowered into
    the hold. Bring your own caravan, and all you could see out of the
    windows as the inside of the hold.

    And there was a sort of cabin at the back, from inside which you used to drive the barge (yes, not a narrowboat, it was wider).

    We came across in the 1970rCOs a canal boat towing a pontoon with a small
    car on it.
    Ponton was short and at suitable locations securely moored end in to the
    bank and the car driven on or off. The boat was fairly short as well so it
    and Pontoon fitted into a lock together.
    Ahh found a picture, IrCOd forgotten the car was a Reliant.

    <https://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/31203-loading-a-car-onto-a-narrowboat/>


    Also from the 1970rCOs the Caraboat, not many were made and looking for a
    photo it seems there are few survivors probably because it was a lousy boat
    and a lousy caravan.

    <https://www.flickr.com/photos/janetstansfield/5789477856>


    GH
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  • From Adrian@bulleid@ku.gro.lioff to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 20:08:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In message <mdvhtkFmgj4U1@mid.individual.net>, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> writes
    We came across in the 1970rCOs a canal boat towing a pontoon with a small >car on it.
    Ponton was short and at suitable locations securely moored end in to the
    bank and the car driven on or off. The boat was fairly short as well so it >and Pontoon fitted into a lock together.
    Ahh found a picture, IrCOd forgotten the car was a Reliant.

    <https://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/31203-loading-a-car- >onto-a-narrowboat/>


    I remember that from the mid 80s, when we were neighbours for a few
    weeks. IIRC the two parts were connected by a pair of hinged bars (one
    each side), with 50mm tow hitches on the narrow boat end. As mentioned
    on Canalworld, it must have been "interesting" to handle.

    Adrian
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  • From Mark Goodge@usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Fri Jul 18 21:26:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    On 18 Jul 2025 18:25:57 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Also from the 1970As the Caraboat, not many were made and looking for a
    photo it seems there are few survivors probably because it was a lousy boat >and a lousy caravan.

    <https://www.flickr.com/photos/janetstansfield/5789477856>

    Sounds a bit like Richard Hammond's "dampervan" on the Top Gear amphibious vehicle challenge.

    Mark
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Sat Jul 19 06:46:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    On 18/07/2025 21:26, Mark Goodge wrote:
    Sounds a bit like Richard Hammond's "dampervan" on the Top Gear amphibious vehicle challenge.



    Don't forget Half-Safe!



    http://cpmarchives.classiccmp.org/cpm/mirrors/members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/halfsafe/halfsafe.html





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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Sat Jul 19 08:31:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In message <mdvhtkFmgj4U1@mid.individual.net>, at 18:25:57 on Fri, 18
    Jul 2025, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <BWfdrWETCkeoFwri@ku.gro.lloiff>, at 13:39:47 on Fri, 18 Jul
    2025, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> remarked:
    In message <bJCdWdna1beoFAJd@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    writes
    I've got a photo of a caravan parked on a barge, which was an early
    idea for a hire "boat", in this case on the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.

    Ooh, I remember that, hmm, 50 years ago (shudder).

    My photo dates to 1973.

    IIRC, the barge had a rising platform (sort of thing you'd find at a
    garage) that the caravan could be parked on, then it was lowered into
    the hold. Bring your own caravan, and all you could see out of the
    windows as the inside of the hold.

    And there was a sort of cabin at the back, from inside which you used to
    drive the barge (yes, not a narrowboat, it was wider).

    We came across in the 1970rCOs a canal boat towing a pontoon with a
    small car on it. Ponton was short and at suitable locations securely
    moored end in to the bank and the car driven on or off. The boat was
    fairly short as well so it and Pontoon fitted into a lock together. Ahh >found a picture, IrCOd forgotten the car was a Reliant.

    <https://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/31203-loading-a-car- >onto-a-narrowboat/>


    Also from the 1970rCOs the Caraboat, not many were made and looking for a >photo it seems there are few survivors probably because it was a lousy boat >and a lousy caravan.

    <https://www.flickr.com/photos/janetstansfield/5789477856>

    The one I saw was much more ad-hoc than that. The barge was similar to a [short] working-boat, and the caravan was an ordinary road-going one.
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.transport.london,uk.railway on Sat Jul 19 11:04:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.transport.london

    In uk.transport.london Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
    On 18 Jul 2025 18:25:57 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Also from the 1970?s the Caraboat, not many were made and looking for a >photo it seems there are few survivors probably because it was a lousy boat >and a lousy caravan.

    <https://www.flickr.com/photos/janetstansfield/5789477856>

    Sounds a bit like Richard Hammond's "dampervan" on the Top Gear amphibious vehicle challenge.

    Top Gear also made the SsangYacht: https://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/editorial-features/ssangyacht-top-gear-boat-worlds-ugliest-car

    Not so much amphibious, but should be made so by immediately scuttling it in the harbour.

    Theo
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