On 2025-04-03 14:14, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply.
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me. I use my landline 95% of the time. I only turn >>>>> on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides
your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a
smartphone takes quite some time and effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds. I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's >>> not required. By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your
stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
Even if you do not have important apps in your phone, the bad guys might
add services to the phone and convince the providers to activate them.
Bank payments with confirmation code by SMS, for instance.
Might. I would not run the risk of not having protection on the phone.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me. I use my landline 95% of the time. I only turn >>>> on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides
your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and effort. >>Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds. I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's
not required. By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me.-a-a I use my landline 95% of the time.-a I only >>>>> turn
on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
-a Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides >>>> your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
-a If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and
effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds.-a I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's >>> not required.-a-a By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
-a-a So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
-a-a If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your
stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift
Shop .... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile phones
at the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else either!!
Crazy!!
On 2025-07-02 11:53, Daniel70 wrote:
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me.-a-a I use my landline 95% of the time.-a I only >>>>>> turn
on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
-a Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides >>>>> your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
-a If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out? >>>>> Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and
effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds.-a I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but
that's
not required.-a-a By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is >>>> calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
-a-a So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
-a-a If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your >>> stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift Shop
.... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile phones at
the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else
either!!
Crazy!!
It is actually safer than flashing a real credit card, if you follow the recommended procedures.
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me. I use my landline 95% of the time. I only turn >>>> on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides
your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and effort. >>Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds. I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's >> not required. By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift Shop
.... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile phones at
the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else either!!
On 2/07/2025 8:35 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-02 11:53, Daniel70 wrote:Oh!!
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me.-a-a I use my landline 95% of the time.-a I >>>>>>> only turn
on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
-a Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides >>>>>> your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
-a If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out? >>>>>> Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and >>>>>> effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds.-a I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but
that's
not required.-a-a By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is >>>>> calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
-a-a So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
-a-a If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all
your
stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift
Shop .... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile
phones at the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee
that they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved
somewhere else either!!
Crazy!!
It is actually safer than flashing a real credit card, if you follow
the recommended procedures.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else either!!
On 2025-07-02 14:09, Daniel70 wrote:
On 2/07/2025 8:35 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-02 11:53, Daniel70 wrote:
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Oh!!So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your
phone, because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the
finder/thief has all your stuff, access to your account(s),
etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army
Thrift Shop .... and the number of times I see people flash
their mobile phones at the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there
goes all their Banking information .... and you could just
about guarantee that they haven't got all their precious Family
Photos saved somewhere else either!!
Crazy!!
It is actually safer than flashing a real credit card, if you
follow the recommended procedures.
Think about it. If they steal your card, they have all the data,
except the pin. They can use to pay with NFC as long as the amount is
relatively "small". However, with a phone they need a pin or pattern
or fingerprint or face to access and use the cards stored there.
On 02/07/2025 10:53, Daniel70 wrote:
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else
either!!
There was someone on one of the 'consumer' programmes complaining that
they lost ALL their photographs when their phone was stolen - going back many years.
I despair quite often in the supermarket when the person in front of me spends ages trying to pay using their phone.
Never seen the advantage in doing so.
On 02/07/2025 10:53, Daniel70 wrote:
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes
all their Banking information .... and you could just about
guarantee that they haven't got all their precious Family Photos
saved somewhere else either!!
There was someone on one of the 'consumer' programmes complaining
that they lost ALL their photographs when their phone was stolen -
going back many years.
I despair quite often in the supermarket when the person in front of
me spends ages trying to pay using their phone.
Never seen the advantage in doing so.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 09:05:08 +0100
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 02/07/2025 10:53, Daniel70 wrote:
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes
all their Banking information .... and you could just about
guarantee that they haven't got all their precious Family Photos
saved somewhere else either!!
There was someone on one of the 'consumer' programmes complaining
that they lost ALL their photographs when their phone was stolen -
going back many years.
I despair quite often in the supermarket when the person in front of
me spends ages trying to pay using their phone.
Never seen the advantage in doing so.
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
It is actually faster than fetching the card from the wallet.
On 03/07/2025 10:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
It is actually faster than fetching the card from the wallet.
I presume you are one of those who walks around with phone in hand all
the time?
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
Some of us don't! ;-(
On 2025-07-03 12:20, Davey wrote:
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
If he had used his card, he still would have needed to enter the bank account on his phone to move enough cash into his account and wasted the same time.
On 03/07/2025 10:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
It is actually faster than fetching the card from the wallet.
I presume you are one of those who walks around with phone in hand all
the time?
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 09:05:08 +0100 JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
When I notice someone ahead of me in line take out a notebook, that's a
bad sign. One of those people who carries around hundreds of coupons.
Coupons are OK, but why can't they decide which ones they're going to use
and get them out in advance? These people often have to argue with the checker about EVERY item, searching the bags for it.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 11:20:17 +0100, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 09:05:08 +0100 JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
[snip]
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
When I notice someone ahead of me in line take out a notebook, that's a
bad sign. One of those people who carries around hundreds of coupons.
Coupons are OK, but why can't they decide which ones they're going to use
and get them out in advance? These people often have to argue with the checker about EVERY item, searching the bags for it.
On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.
My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever
I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and
left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left
them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several cards
in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:
<Snip>
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet.... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because
it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in
doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!
On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:
<Snip>
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet.... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because
it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in
doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!
Really?
NFC has existed for years.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:
<Snip>
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet.... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because
it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in
doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!
Really?
NFC has existed for years.
The standard wasnrCOt even defined until 2003
https://www.thamestechnology.co.uk/inspiration/history-of-contactless-payments-a-timeline
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