"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2025-03-20 13:10, Graham J wrote:
I know you're all very knowledgeable here, so:
There are groups more appropriate to phone trouble, like
comp.mobile.android or uk.telecom.mobile. I have added them both to
this post, so they will see your post below.
Received a call on my mobile, from a lady in Scotland who says I rang
her landline earlier this morning.-a I did not, and my mobile phone
has been sitting on the windowsill (being the only place it can get a
signal) all morning, with nobody near it. The lady used 1471 to find
out who had rung her number, and used it's recall facility to ring
me; so she didn't make any transcription error in dialling my number.
I'm aware that spammers spoof mobile numbers but had always assumed
that they chose unallocated numbers.-a That is now apparently no
longer true - unless all you here can think of another way that the
1471 service can see an erroneous number.
I thought Britain had some new regulation about faking the A number in
a call.
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer
to let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
It doesn't yet cover spoofed mobile numbers in caller-id.
And not easy to enforce. I don't think there's anything in place (software/infrastructure) to spot a fake number from real. It's the
bleeding obvious plague that no one saw coming -\O/-.
On 3/20/25 15:21, Richmond wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
On 2025-03-20 13:10, Graham J wrote:
I know you're all very knowledgeable here, so:
There are groups more appropriate to phone trouble, like
comp.mobile.android or uk.telecom.mobile. I have added them both to
this post, so they will see your post below.
Received a call on my mobile, from a lady in Scotland who says I rang
her landline earlier this morning.-a I did not, and my mobile phone
has been sitting on the windowsill (being the only place it can get a
signal) all morning, with nobody near it.-a The lady used 1471 to find >>>> out who had rung her number, and used it's recall facility to ring
me; so she didn't make any transcription error in dialling my number.
I'm aware that spammers spoof mobile numbers but had always assumed
that they chose unallocated numbers.-a That is now apparently no
longer true - unless all you here can think of another way that the
1471 service can see an erroneous number.
I thought Britain had some new regulation about faking the A number in
a call.
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer
to let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
It doesn't yet cover spoofed mobile numbers in caller-id.
And not easy to enforce. I don't think there's anything in place (software/infrastructure) to spot a fake number from real. It's the
bleeding obvious plague that no one saw coming -\O/-.
On 07/05/2025 15:20, Jason H wrote:
And not easy to enforce. I don't think there's anything in place
(software/infrastructure) to spot a fake number from real. It's the
bleeding obvious plague that no one saw coming -\O/-.
Yes there is, although it does have a third category for, basically,
number from abroad, whose status is unknown.-a It has been introduced fro all VoIP in the USA.
Providers have to sign information that indicates whether caller ID is
the true caller ID, or another caller ID from someone they have
positively identified.-a (A and B attestations; C is the third case above.)-a I haven't gone into the details of how the true identity is tracked, but, if it isn't included in the VoIP headers, I assume that
the provider must log it and provide it to the authorities.
Search STIR/SHAKEN for more information.
Unfortunately this has been cross-posted to world as well as UK groups,
and I suspect you are in the UK.-a Also the real problem is associated
with VoIP, and it hasn't been posted to a VoIP group.
I believe that the UK didn't want to use the extension to the
traditional PSTN, and is awaiting analogue switch off, before fully implementing the same, or similar.
I believe many US legacy network users see a "V" in the caller ID, if it
is a true caller ID of the caller.
I believe there are mechanisms for passing on authentication when an--
call is forwarded, but it's something I've researched in depth, only
noting that complying has tripped up many US VoIP using organisations,
who used to like forwarding original caller ID to outworkers.
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 21:55:50 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
Now, when the Landline rings, I just let it ring ... until the
Answer Machine starts up and, more often than not, when my Answer
Machine starts up, the calling person/machine/whatever hangs up.
;-)
Currently, I find that most (not all) junk calls have the caller ID
NAME the same as the number.
I still get a few calls that identify themselves with "CITY ST", like
"DALLAS TX".
I'm surprised that almost nobody mentions CID NAME.
Daniel70, 2025-04-08 13:55:
[...]
After a couple of weeks of mad-dashes from the Lounge into the Bedroom
when the phone rang, only to find it was a Spammer caller calling, I
brought a Wireless Phone WITH Built-in Answer machine.
Now, when the Landline rings, I just let it ring ... until the Answer
Machine starts up and, more often than not, when my Answer Machine
starts up, the calling person/machine/whatever hangs up. ;-)
And legitimate people who want to reach you have to leave a message and
hope you gonna call back?
A wireless phone should also display the number of the caller, so you
can decide wether to answer it or not. When you add the people you know
to the phonebook, you may even see their names and when then there is no
name but just the number when the phone rings, this may also indicate a spammer call.
On 2025-03-20 13:10, Graham J wrote:
I know you're all very knowledgeable here, so:
There are groups more appropriate to phone trouble, like
comp.mobile.android or uk.telecom.mobile. I have added them both to this post, so they will see your post below.
Received a call on my mobile, from a lady in Scotland who says I rang
her landline earlier this morning.-a I did not, and my mobile phone has
been sitting on the windowsill (being the only place it can get a
signal) all morning, with nobody near it.
The lady used 1471 to find out who had rung her number, and used it's
recall facility to ring me; so she didn't make any transcription error
in dialling my number.
I'm aware that spammers spoof mobile numbers but had always assumed
that they chose unallocated numbers.-a That is now apparently no longer
true - unless all you here can think of another way that the 1471
service can see an erroneous number.
I thought Britain had some new regulation about faking the A number in a call.
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer to
let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
On 2025-03-20 15:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer to
let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
Spain has announced a new regulation this summer (it still has to be processed in Parliament). Commercial entities issuing phone calls will prepend a number to their phone number, identifying the company. There
will be a registry of such prefixes. Telcos will block phone calls
without the prefix.
On 9/04/2025 4:55 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 21:55:50 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
[snip]
Now, when the Landline rings, I just let it ring ... until the Answer
Machine starts up and, more often than not, when my Answer Machine
starts up, the calling person/machine/whatever hangs up. ;-)
Currently, I find that most (not all) junk calls have the caller ID
NAME the same as the number.
WHAT?? So it looks like the Caller is phoning the Caller?? Really??
That'd be a bit of a Give-away, wouldn't it?? ;-)
--I still get a few calls that identify themselves with "CITY ST", like
"DALLAS TX".
I'm surprised that almost nobody mentions CID NAME.
On 13.05.25 15:09, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-03-20 15:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer to
let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
Spain has announced a new regulation this summer (it still has to be
processed in Parliament). Commercial entities issuing phone calls will
prepend a number to their phone number, identifying the company. There
will be a registry of such prefixes. Telcos will block phone calls
without the prefix.
How long will it take until spammers prepend these numbers?
Come on! This is quite primitive!
The Spaniards should ask Swisscom how these things really work and how spamblocking is professionally executed in a VOIP-network.
On 2025-05-13 16:08, J||rg Lorenz wrote:
On 13.05.25 15:09, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-03-20 15:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer to >>>> let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
Spain has announced a new regulation this summer (it still has to be
processed in Parliament). Commercial entities issuing phone calls will
prepend a number to their phone number, identifying the company. There
will be a registry of such prefixes. Telcos will block phone calls
without the prefix.
How long will it take until spammers prepend these numbers?
Come on! This is quite primitive!
Maybe by Telcos non routing these calls. Unexpected prefixes.
The Spaniards should ask Swisscom how these things really work and how
spamblocking is professionally executed in a VOIP-network.
I am sure they have several professionals advising what and how to do things.
On 2025-03-20 15:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-03-20 13:10, Graham J wrote:
I know you're all very knowledgeable here, so:
There are groups more appropriate to phone trouble, like
comp.mobile.android or uk.telecom.mobile. I have added them both to
this post, so they will see your post below.
Received a call on my mobile, from a lady in Scotland who says I rang
her landline earlier this morning.-a I did not, and my mobile phone
has been sitting on the windowsill (being the only place it can get a
signal) all morning, with nobody near it.
The lady used 1471 to find out who had rung her number, and used it's
recall facility to ring me; so she didn't make any transcription
error in dialling my number.
I'm aware that spammers spoof mobile numbers but had always assumed
that they chose unallocated numbers.-a That is now apparently no
longer true - unless all you here can think of another way that the
1471 service can see an erroneous number.
I thought Britain had some new regulation about faking the A number in
a call.
I never return phone calls from unknown numbers. Only when I know the
number is from some friend or family I return the call, but I prefer
to let them try again, maybe they got interrupted.
Spain has announced a new regulation this summer (it still has to be processed in Parliament). Commercial entities issuing phone calls will prepend a number to their phone number, identifying the company. There
will be a registry of such prefixes. Telcos will block phone calls
without the prefix.
+++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ <https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2025/05/12/bustinduy-explica-las-tres-medidas-de-consumo-para-acabar-con-las-llamadas-comerciales-masivas-a-los-moviles-cadena-ser/>
...
What is the Ministry going to do to put an end to calls from companies
to sell us supposed offers?
We have done our homework and we are going to introduce a regulatory
change through two amendments to the Customer Services Act to block so-called spam calls. We will do this in three ways:
-a-a * Companies will be obliged to identify all numbers from which they make business telephone calls with a specific numerical code (a
telephone prefix). They will also have to identify customer service
calls with a different code. On the basis of these codes,
telecommunications operators will be obliged to block all calls from companies that do not use these codes.
-a-a * To declare null and void contracts that are concluded in non-consensual telephone calls. In this way, companies will be
discouraged from making unwanted calls, since the contracts obtained in
this type of communication will be null and void.
-a-a * All companies will be obliged to renew their consent to receive commercial calls with the user every two years, thus ensuring that
companies do not rely on indefinite or ambiguous authorisations to
continue contacting consumers.
How will the code numbers work?
There is a register of number codes so that when that prefix calls us,
it will come up and we will know that it is commercial, it will be traceable. If there is a call without a code, companies will have to
block it immediately.
And how is consent renewed every two years?
We will have to renew our consent every two years. It will also happen
with the automatic renewal of subscriptions. We are going to introduce
that 15 days before the renewal takes place, companies will have to send
an obligatory email to give notice. It is a question of ensuring what we contract and how much we spend.
...
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+++-
But I don't understand how Telcos will detect that a phone call without prefix is commercial. We still have the problem of faked numbers.
On 13/05/2025 11:09 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-03-20 15:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
But I don't understand how Telcos will detect that a phone call
without prefix is commercial. We still have the problem of faked numbers.
Hmm! I was going to ask "How would the Telcos determine that YOU are ringing, e.g., your MUM so the call should go through?? .... but,
a.t.t., I hadn't read this last paragraph of yours .... which indicates
you don't know, either!! ;-P
I had the usual call from 'Bank Security' this morning.
They quoted the two payments that have been claiming for at least the
last year - same payees and same amounts!
Odd one this morning, phone rings with number withheld.
On 2025-04-03 14:14, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply.
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me. I use my landline 95% of the time. I only turn >>>>> on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides
your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a
smartphone takes quite some time and effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds. I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's >>> not required. By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your
stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
Even if you do not have important apps in your phone, the bad guys might
add services to the phone and convince the providers to activate them.
Bank payments with confirmation code by SMS, for instance.
Might. I would not run the risk of not having protection on the phone.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me. I use my landline 95% of the time. I only turn >>>> on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides
your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and effort. >>Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds. I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's
not required. By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me.-a-a I use my landline 95% of the time.-a I only >>>>> turn
on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
-a Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides >>>> your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
-a If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and
effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds.-a I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's >>> not required.-a-a By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
-a-a So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
-a-a If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your
stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift
Shop .... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile phones
at the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else either!!
Crazy!!
On 2025-07-02 11:53, Daniel70 wrote:
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me.-a-a I use my landline 95% of the time.-a I only >>>>>> turn
on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
-a Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides >>>>> your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
-a If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out? >>>>> Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and
effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds.-a I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but
that's
not required.-a-a By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is >>>> calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
-a-a So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
-a-a If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your >>> stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift Shop
.... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile phones at
the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else
either!!
Crazy!!
It is actually safer than flashing a real credit card, if you follow the recommended procedures.
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me. I use my landline 95% of the time. I only turn >>>> on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides
your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out?
Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and effort. >>Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds. I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but that's >> not required. By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is
calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all your stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift Shop
.... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile phones at
the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else either!!
On 2/07/2025 8:35 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-02 11:53, Daniel70 wrote:Oh!!
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Sorry it's taken so long to reply:
In comp.mobile.android, on 21 Mar 2025 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
You're a lot like me.-a-a I use my landline 95% of the time.-a I >>>>>>> only turn
on the cell when I go out, and not even always then.
-a Hmmm!? Do you have another ('dumb'/'feature') mobile phone, besides >>>>>> your smartphone?
No, just one smartphone.
-a If not, then how do you 'turn on' the smartphone when you go out? >>>>>> Turning it on, implies it's turned off [1]
Yes.
and turning on ('booting') a smartphone takes quite some time and >>>>>> effort.
Not much effort, just push the power button and hold it for 3 or 4
seconds.-a I used to hold it until it vibrated, 5 or 6 seconds but
that's
not required.-a-a By the time I get to the car it's fully on. No one is >>>>> calling me anyhow so it if I have no phone for a minute or two, it
doesnt' matter.
-a-a So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
-a-a If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your phone,
because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the finder/thief has all
your
stuff, access to your account(s), etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army Thrift
Shop .... and the number of times I see people flash their mobile
phones at the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee
that they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved
somewhere else either!!
Crazy!!
It is actually safer than flashing a real credit card, if you follow
the recommended procedures.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else either!!
On 2025-07-02 14:09, Daniel70 wrote:
On 2/07/2025 8:35 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-02 11:53, Daniel70 wrote:
On 3/04/2025 11:14 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Oh!!So you don't have a SIM-lock PIN, nor a screen-lock PIN (or
biometrics)?
If so, I hope you don't have any important stuff on your
phone, because if you lose it or it gets stoelen, the
finder/thief has all your stuff, access to your account(s),
etc..
I volunteer a few hours a week at the local Salvation Army
Thrift Shop .... and the number of times I see people flash
their mobile phones at the Credit Card machine staggers me.
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there
goes all their Banking information .... and you could just
about guarantee that they haven't got all their precious Family
Photos saved somewhere else either!!
Crazy!!
It is actually safer than flashing a real credit card, if you
follow the recommended procedures.
Think about it. If they steal your card, they have all the data,
except the pin. They can use to pay with NFC as long as the amount is
relatively "small". However, with a phone they need a pin or pattern
or fingerprint or face to access and use the cards stored there.
On 02/07/2025 10:53, Daniel70 wrote:
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes all
their Banking information .... and you could just about guarantee that
they haven't got all their precious Family Photos saved somewhere else
either!!
There was someone on one of the 'consumer' programmes complaining that
they lost ALL their photographs when their phone was stolen - going back many years.
I despair quite often in the supermarket when the person in front of me spends ages trying to pay using their phone.
Never seen the advantage in doing so.
On 02/07/2025 10:53, Daniel70 wrote:
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes
all their Banking information .... and you could just about
guarantee that they haven't got all their precious Family Photos
saved somewhere else either!!
There was someone on one of the 'consumer' programmes complaining
that they lost ALL their photographs when their phone was stolen -
going back many years.
I despair quite often in the supermarket when the person in front of
me spends ages trying to pay using their phone.
Never seen the advantage in doing so.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 09:05:08 +0100
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 02/07/2025 10:53, Daniel70 wrote:
How many times have people lost their 'phones .... so there goes
all their Banking information .... and you could just about
guarantee that they haven't got all their precious Family Photos
saved somewhere else either!!
There was someone on one of the 'consumer' programmes complaining
that they lost ALL their photographs when their phone was stolen -
going back many years.
I despair quite often in the supermarket when the person in front of
me spends ages trying to pay using their phone.
Never seen the advantage in doing so.
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
It is actually faster than fetching the card from the wallet.
On 03/07/2025 10:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
It is actually faster than fetching the card from the wallet.
I presume you are one of those who walks around with phone in hand all
the time?
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
Some of us don't! ;-(
On 2025-07-03 12:20, Davey wrote:
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
If he had used his card, he still would have needed to enter the bank account on his phone to move enough cash into his account and wasted the same time.
On 03/07/2025 10:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
It is actually faster than fetching the card from the wallet.
I presume you are one of those who walks around with phone in hand all
the time?
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 09:05:08 +0100 JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
When I notice someone ahead of me in line take out a notebook, that's a
bad sign. One of those people who carries around hundreds of coupons.
Coupons are OK, but why can't they decide which ones they're going to use
and get them out in advance? These people often have to argue with the checker about EVERY item, searching the bags for it.
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 11:20:17 +0100, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jul 2025 09:05:08 +0100 JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
[snip]
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
When I notice someone ahead of me in line take out a notebook, that's a
bad sign. One of those people who carries around hundreds of coupons.
Coupons are OK, but why can't they decide which ones they're going to use
and get them out in advance? These people often have to argue with the checker about EVERY item, searching the bags for it.
On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.
I had to wait behind somebody at the checkout the other day who worked
on his 'phone, removed several items one at a time from his purchases,
then had to do mobile banking while still at the checkout to move enough
cash into his account to be able to use the 'phone to pay.
A lot of people were ready to kill him.
On 03/07/2025 12:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-03 13:18, JMB99 wrote:
My phone remains in a zipped pocket and need unlocking to be used so
takes longer to get into use.
Certainly, I keep it locked, in a shoulder bag when I am out, or in a
table when I am in. It is summer, so can't be in a jacket pocket.
My phone, like my car/house keys, remains in my trouser pocket whenever
I'm not using it or charging it. If I took my phone or my keys out and
left them on a random table, I'd spend ages remembering where I'd left
them and I'd be too much at risk of going out without them.
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several cards
in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:
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.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet.... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because
it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in
doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!
On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:
<Snip>
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet.... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because
it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in
doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!
Really?
NFC has existed for years.
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-07-04 11:35, Daniel70 wrote:
On 4/07/2025 1:26 am, David Wade wrote:
<Snip>
.. for me much simpler than trying to ease a card out of the wallet.... and, in a related manner, in about 2000, to pay for my Chicken
where it invariably jams, which I have to do as there are several
cards in there. In most cases I will have also used my phone because
it has my loyalty card stored in it as well....
Dave
Dinner, I went to hand my Credit Card to the Staff Member .... and, in
doing so, passed the Card over the Card Reader machine and BEEB, Job
Done!! First I knew of THAT ability!!
Really?
NFC has existed for years.
The standard wasnrCOt even defined until 2003
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