• Obstacles to Full Fibre

    From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Feb 16 11:41:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband


    Having been through the pain of weeks of digging up our pavements, cutting
    the electric cables and cutting the power cables Giganet say the can't
    supply me with full fibre.

    One things had returned to normal BT carried out the same disruption but
    say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    My house was built in 1983 and is one of four that has a drive the council didn't adopt so it's a private shared drive and I'm guessing suppliers
    can't be bothered to extend fibre.

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way up
    the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within
    spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue? Any suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak to to
    try and persuade them to at least investigate?
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    I take full responsibility for what happened - that is why the person that
    was responsible went immediately.
    (Gordon Brown, April 2009)
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  • From Chris Green@cl@isbd.net to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Feb 16 12:06:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Having been through the pain of weeks of digging up our pavements, cutting the electric cables and cutting the power cables Giganet say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    One things had returned to normal BT carried out the same disruption but
    say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    My house was built in 1983 and is one of four that has a drive the council didn't adopt so it's a private shared drive and I'm guessing suppliers
    can't be bothered to extend fibre.

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way up the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue? Any suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    We're on a private road too. Recently (October 2025) Cityfibre
    installed fibre throughout our village, digging up the roads etc.
    However for our private road they have put the fibre above ground on
    the existing BT poles. I suspect the legal morass of getting
    wayleaves etc. is why, or maybe the solid concrete private road.

    It might be worth asking if Giganet or Openreach can go overground?
    --
    Chris Green
    -+
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  • From Roger Mills@mills37.fslife@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Feb 16 12:20:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 16/02/2026 11:41, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Having been through the pain of weeks of digging up our pavements,
    cutting the electric cables and cutting the power cables Giganet say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    One things had returned to normal BT carried out the same disruption but
    say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    My house was built in 1983 and is one of four that has a drive the
    council didn't adopt so it's a private shared drive and I'm guessing suppliers can't be bothered to extend fibre.

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way
    up the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue?
    Any suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak
    to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Could it be that digging up the shared drive would require the
    permission of all 4 house-owners? If that is the case, could you pre-emp
    that by getting some agreement with your neighbours? It may help if they
    all wanted fibre at the same time.
    --
    Cheers,
    Roger
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  • From Peter Johnson@peter@parksidewood.nospam to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Feb 16 18:05:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 12:20:02 +0000, Roger Mills
    <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:


    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue?
    Any suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak
    to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Could it be that digging up the shared drive would require the
    permission of all 4 house-owners? If that is the case, could you pre-emp >that by getting some agreement with your neighbours? It may help if they
    all wanted fibre at the same time.

    Also on a private drive, shared by six properties in this case.
    In the late 1990s, when cable TV was being installed we were asked to
    censent to the cable being routed along the block paved drive. I
    agreed to it although I wasn't interested in the cable TV as it
    existed at the time. At a future date it might have a service that I
    wanted.
    I don't know how the other neighbours responded but the cable bypassed
    the six houses.
    Years later two of the properties changed hands. Their new owners, at
    different times, had the cable installed by agreeing to take the full TV/telephone/internet package. In one case it was routed across the
    council's green and under the drive; it took three visits before the
    customer was satisfied with the drive's reinstatement. In the other a
    route was possible without affecting the drive, still using the
    council's green.
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Feb 16 18:36:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes:

    Having been through the pain of weeks of digging up our pavements,
    cutting the electric cables and cutting the power cables Giganet say
    the can't supply me with full fibre.

    One things had returned to normal BT carried out the same disruption
    but say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    My house was built in 1983 and is one of four that has a drive the
    council didn't adopt so it's a private shared drive and I'm guessing suppliers can't be bothered to extend fibre.

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way
    up the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are
    within spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue?
    Any suggestions as to which department of either company I should
    speak to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    How does your telephone wire get to your house? (assuming you have
    one). In my case they threaded the fibre through the same duct under
    shared land. If it is via telegraph poles they could use them.
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  • From Mark Carver@mark@invalid.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Mon Feb 16 19:47:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 16/02/2026 18:36, Richmond wrote:
    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> writes:

    Having been through the pain of weeks of digging up our pavements,
    cutting the electric cables and cutting the power cables Giganet say
    the can't supply me with full fibre.

    One things had returned to normal BT carried out the same disruption
    but say the can't supply me with full fibre.

    My house was built in 1983 and is one of four that has a drive the
    council didn't adopt so it's a private shared drive and I'm guessing
    suppliers can't be bothered to extend fibre.

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way
    up the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are
    within spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue?
    Any suggestions as to which department of either company I should
    speak to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    How does your telephone wire get to your house? (assuming you have
    one). In my case they threaded the fibre through the same duct under
    shared land. If it is via telegraph poles they could use them.

    Openreach usually use the same method (underground, or overhead) as the existing copper lines, even in 'mixed currency' streets.

    In my area, there are roads that are a mixture of one or the other, in
    some cases adjacent houses. Those that are underground fed for copper,
    now have an Openreach 'Toby' in the pavement outside.
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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Feb 18 12:23:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 16/02/2026 in message <xn0pm3j1nbh27n500j@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way up >the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within >spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue? Any >suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak to to >try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I will speak to Plusnet (current ISP) and see if I can persuade them to
    send an Openreach engineer to have a look.
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The first five days after the weekend are the hardest.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Feb 18 16:43:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 in message <xn0pm3j1nbh27n500j@news.individual.net> Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way up >> the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within
    spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue? Any >> suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak to to >> try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I will speak to Plusnet (current ISP) and see if I can persuade them to
    send an Openreach engineer to have a look.


    This

    https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form

    worked for me. The odd thing is the official response that came back as a result of filling in this form was that fibre would be impossible. However shortly after that the checker showed it was available. In my case the pole that provides the copper pair could not be supplied with fibre for whatever reason. But I now have a fibre from an adjacent pole - a much longer aerial run.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@jgnewsid@outlook.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Feb 18 20:50:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 18/02/2026 in message <10n4q7m$2pp94$1@dont-email.me> Tweed wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 in message <xn0pm3j1nbh27n500j@news.individual.net> Jeff >>Gaines wrote:

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way up >>>the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within >>>spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue? >>>Any
    suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak to to >>>try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I will speak to Plusnet (current ISP) and see if I can persuade them to >>send an Openreach engineer to have a look.


    This

    https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form

    worked for me. The odd thing is the official response that came back as a >result of filling in this form was that fibre would be impossible. However >shortly after that the checker showed it was available. In my case the pole >that provides the copper pair could not be supplied with fibre for whatever >reason. But I now have a fibre from an adjacent pole - a much longer aerial >run.

    That's very useful, thank you :-)

    I have completed the form, will have to wait and see...
    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not
    expect to sit.
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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Feb 18 21:29:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 18/02/2026 in message <10n4q7m$2pp94$1@dont-email.me> Tweed wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 in message <xn0pm3j1nbh27n500j@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all the way up >>>> the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT manholes are within
    spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the issue? >>>> Any
    suggestions as to which department of either company I should speak to to >>>> try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I will speak to Plusnet (current ISP) and see if I can persuade them to
    send an Openreach engineer to have a look.


    This

    https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form >>
    worked for me. The odd thing is the official response that came back as a
    result of filling in this form was that fibre would be impossible. However >> shortly after that the checker showed it was available. In my case the pole >> that provides the copper pair could not be supplied with fibre for whatever >> reason. But I now have a fibre from an adjacent pole - a much longer aerial >> run.

    That's very useful, thank you :-)

    I have completed the form, will have to wait and see...


    If you get a negative response you can still use the form again to direct
    more specific questions, eg what exactly is stopping me from getting fibre
    and can we discuss this further. It seems to be the only mechanism to communicate with Open Reach.

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  • From Davey@davey@example.invalid to uk.telecom.broadband on Wed Feb 18 22:50:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 21:29:07 -0000 (UTC)
    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 18/02/2026 in message <10n4q7m$2pp94$1@dont-email.me> Tweed
    wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 in message <xn0pm3j1nbh27n500j@news.individual.net>
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all
    the way up the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT
    manholes are within spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the
    issue? Any
    suggestions as to which department of either company I should
    speak to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I will speak to Plusnet (current ISP) and see if I can persuade
    them to send an Openreach engineer to have a look.


    This

    https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form

    worked for me. The odd thing is the official response that came
    back as a result of filling in this form was that fibre would be
    impossible. However shortly after that the checker showed it was
    available. In my case the pole that provides the copper pair could
    not be supplied with fibre for whatever reason. But I now have a
    fibre from an adjacent pole - a much longer aerial run.

    That's very useful, thank you :-)

    I have completed the form, will have to wait and see...


    If you get a negative response you can still use the form again to
    direct more specific questions, eg what exactly is stopping me from
    getting fibre and can we discuss this further. It seems to be the
    only mechanism to communicate with Open Reach.


    That makes their name a little curious!
    --
    Davey.

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  • From Tweed@usenet.tweed@gmail.com to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Feb 19 07:57:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 21:29:07 -0000 (UTC)
    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 18/02/2026 in message <10n4q7m$2pp94$1@dont-email.me> Tweed
    wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 in message <xn0pm3j1nbh27n500j@news.individual.net>
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I am the first house so the adopted road and pavement runs all
    the way up the side of my house and both the Giganet and BT
    manholes are within spitting distance if the window was open.

    Anybody have any thoughts as to whether the drive may cause the
    issue? Any
    suggestions as to which department of either company I should
    speak to to try and persuade them to at least investigate?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    I will speak to Plusnet (current ISP) and see if I can persuade
    them to send an Openreach engineer to have a look.


    This

    https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form

    worked for me. The odd thing is the official response that came
    back as a result of filling in this form was that fibre would be
    impossible. However shortly after that the checker showed it was
    available. In my case the pole that provides the copper pair could
    not be supplied with fibre for whatever reason. But I now have a
    fibre from an adjacent pole - a much longer aerial run.

    That's very useful, thank you :-)

    I have completed the form, will have to wait and see...


    If you get a negative response you can still use the form again to
    direct more specific questions, eg what exactly is stopping me from
    getting fibre and can we discuss this further. It seems to be the
    only mechanism to communicate with Open Reach.


    That makes their name a little curious!


    They arenrCOt keen on talking to end users. Mind you, they communicate like
    mad prior to the install. IrCOve had about 3 emails and a couple of phone
    calls to check that IrCOd be in. Mind you CityFibre are even harder to talk
    to. (Have them at another location). Both outfits are wholesale only and
    think they can just deal with the end user via the ISP. But as we know, practicalities such as persuading them to even install their product, is another matter. ItrCOs not surprising that take up of fibre is lower than the industry has hoped.

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  • From Nick Finnigan@nix@genie.co.uk to uk.telecom.broadband on Thu Feb 19 08:54:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

    On 19/02/2026 07:57, Tweed wrote:

    They arenrCOt keen on talking to end users. Mind you, they communicate like mad prior to the install. IrCOve had about 3 emails and a couple of phone calls to check that IrCOd be in.

    2 emails and 3 text messages for me. Then an email and text to tell me
    the engineer had arrived. Text but no email to confirm they hadn't
    completed the connection. No advance notice of coming back to sort it out.

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