From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to
some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good
news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 09:37:01 +0000
Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to
some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good
news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?

The former.
--
Davey.

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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 30/10/2025 in message <r7c6gkptenu81ki58c7j6hghebaooaef5i@4ax.com> Trolleybus wrote:

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to
some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good
news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?

I had an email from Plusnet giving me the good news I could convert to
FTTP for only u3 per month. By the time I'd though it through it became apparent FTTP is not available to my house!
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
You know it's cold outside when you go outside and it's cold.
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 30 Oct 2025 10:25:56 GMT
"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/10/2025 in message <r7c6gkptenu81ki58c7j6hghebaooaef5i@4ax.com> Trolleybus wrote:

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to
some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good
news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?

I had an email from Plusnet giving me the good news I could convert
to FTTP for only -u3 per month. By the time I'd though it through it
became apparent FTTP is not available to my house!

Did you accept their offer, to find out what would happen?
--
Davey.
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 30/10/2025 11:16, Davey wrote:

On 30 Oct 2025 10:25:56 GMT
"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

I had an email from Plusnet giving me the good news I could convert
to FTTP for only -u3 per month. By the time I'd though it through it
became apparent FTTP is not available to my house!

Did you accept their offer, to find out what would happen?

I had an email from BT 2 months ago with "EE FULL FIBRE IS NOW
AVAILABLE", so I tried to upgrade online and failed. Rang up and was told
that work was in progress, they spent some time trying to give me a
timescale and failed.
Email with "we made a mistake" a few days later.

2 Openreach vans by the pole today.
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 30/10/2025 in message <10dvhdl$3kj4s$1@dont-email.me> Davey wrote:

On 30 Oct 2025 10:25:56 GMT
"Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/10/2025 in message <r7c6gkptenu81ki58c7j6hghebaooaef5i@4ax.com> >>Trolleybus wrote:

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to >>>some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good >>>news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?

I had an email from Plusnet giving me the good news I could convert
to FTTP for only -u3 per month. By the time I'd though it through it >>became apparent FTTP is not available to my house!

Did you accept their offer, to find out what would happen?

No, I wanted to investigate what life might be like without a landline
bearing in mind mobile reception here is patchy.

I felt the suggestion it was only -u3 a month more, bearing in mind the current cost includes a landline and the new cost doesn't and a separate landline is around -u26 was somewhat disingenuous.

I live at the end of a cul de sac and the drive for my 3 neighbours and me
was never adopted and is privately owned. As a consequence neither Giganet
nor BT put fibre along it. I am at the end next to the public pavement so might be OK, not sure about neighbours.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not
expect to sit.
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

Jeff Gaines wrote:

[snip]

No, I wanted to investigate what life might be like without a landline bearing in mind mobile reception here is patchy.

VoIP is the solution, once you get FTTP. Anything less than FTTP could
be a bit unreliable (affected by nearby lightning strikes, electric
fences, Christmas tree lights, neighbours' security lights, long copper
wires with aluminium segments, etc).

Comparative example costs:

Landline & calls bundle from BT @ -u49.50 per month
Broadband from Zen @ -u19.20 per month
Total -u68.70 per month

Or

Zen FTTP @ -u35.00 per month
Single Voipfone number @ -u 3.60 per month
Total -u38.60 per month
Plus calls at nominally 1p per minute plus VAT - bundles are available
Plus one-time purchase of suitable VoIP deskphone or base+handset

Beware: there is also Voipfone Flex @ -u 1.80 per month. Set this to
zero users when ordering, it is then free.

There are other VoIP providers. There may be a week's loss of landline
phone number while you port that number to your VoIP provider. Ask the
VoIP provider to explain in detail before you commit to them.

Worth planning your move while you can, before Openreach discontinue
their POTS services and you are forced into it.
--
Graham J
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 09:39:11 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 09:37:01 +0000
Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to
some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good
news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?

The former.

Looking at the other replies I think you're right.
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

In article <10dvkmt$3lmuj$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

No, I wanted to investigate what life might be like without a landline
bearing in mind mobile reception here is patchy.

VoIP is the solution, once you get FTTP. Anything less than FTTP could
be a bit unreliable (affected by nearby lightning strikes, electric
fences, Christmas tree lights, neighbours' security lights, long copper >wires with aluminium segments, etc).

But such things might well affect your landline phone too.

-- Richard
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

On 30/10/2025 10:25, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 30/10/2025 in message <r7c6gkptenu81ki58c7j6hghebaooaef5i@4ax.com> >Trolleybus wrote:

I've had two emails from Openreach in the last fortnight. The first
said that the date for their FTTP in my postcode has been deferred to
some time post-2026. The second, a week later, said that there's good
news - it's nearly nere and I'll be invited to apply for it soon.

Is this a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing,
or might I be in a pocket that's escaped a general slow-down?

I had an email from Plusnet giving me the good news I could convert to
FTTP for only -u3 per month. By the time I'd though it through it became >apparent FTTP is not available to my house!

Wouldn't stop them taking the money. -u3 per month for a wish isn't too bad,
but it might be better spent on the lottery.
--
A PICKER OF UNCONSIDERED TRIFLES
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From Newsgroup: uk.telecom.broadband

Richard Tobin wrote:

In article <10dvkmt$3lmuj$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

No, I wanted to investigate what life might be like without a landline
bearing in mind mobile reception here is patchy.

VoIP is the solution, once you get FTTP. Anything less than FTTP could
be a bit unreliable (affected by nearby lightning strikes, electric
fences, Christmas tree lights, neighbours' security lights, long copper
wires with aluminium segments, etc).

But such things might well affect your landline phone too.

Momentarily, yes. They will be perceived as a click, or series of
clicks; but they won't break the conversation. By contrast any such interference will cause your (ADSL or VDSL) router to re-sync, which can
take 2 or 3 minutes. After that a VoIP phone will have to re-register
with its host. So one click my break your VoIP phone conversation for
several minutes.

While this isn't impossible with FTTP, it is very much less likely to occur.
--
Graham J
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