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FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach want to
put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to run it
round 2 sides of a bungalow?

Sounds like more than a chocolate biscuit job?
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Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach want
to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to run it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

fibre doesn't need to enter at the existing place that copper does,
though a standard install doesn't allow for much distance internally
after the entry point (there's a 'luxury' install option that does).
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Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach want
to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to run it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

Sounds like more than a chocolate biscuit job?

Probably.

The ONT needs mains electricity, so it would be useful to site it near a
power socket.

You can put your router anywhere, but it needs Ethernet to connect it to
the ONT, so near the ONT would be good. However the router may be your
only source of WiFi so having it somewhere central may be worthwhile.
This may conflict with the desired location for the ONT and present insurmountable problems with running an Ethernet cable between the two.
The router will also need mains electricity.

Often the FTTP install is a 2-stage process, with one technician
installing the fibre from the street into your premises, and several
days later another installs the ONT.

If you want the fibre run round 2 sides of your bungalow it may help to
ensure there is clear access. The installer may well not want to use a
ladder unless there is no alternative.
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On Wed 29/10/2025 15:17, Graham J wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach
want to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to
run it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

Sounds like more than a chocolate biscuit job?

Probably.

The ONT needs mains electricity, so it would be useful to site it near a power socket.

You can put your router anywhere, but it needs Ethernet to connect it to
the ONT, so near the ONT would be good.-a However the router may be your only source of WiFi so having it somewhere central may be worthwhile.
This may conflict with the desired location for the ONT and present insurmountable problems with running an Ethernet cable between the two.
The router will also need mains electricity.

Often the FTTP install is a 2-stage process, with one technician
installing the fibre from the street into your premises, and several
days later another installs the ONT.

If you want the fibre run round 2 sides of your bungalow it may help to ensure there is clear access.-a The installer may well not want to use a ladder unless there is no alternative.

I would rephrase that. "The installer may not be allowed to use a
ladder." Many organisations nowadays will not permit use of a ladder for anything above 2m unless the task can be completed within 30 mins.

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Woody wrote:

Graham J wrote:

The installer may well not want to

use a ladder unless there is no alternative.

I would rephrase that. "The installer may not be allowed to use a
ladder." Many organisations nowadays will not permit use of a ladder for anything above 2m unless the task can be completed within 30 mins.

I thought openreach's intention was they can use a ladder for the
initial installation, but that will include having the demarc box
accessible from ground level (it might go back up to higher level if
required)

That way any future fault finding visits shouldn't require ladders,
because they can diagnose at the demarc?

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On 29/10/2025 16:26, Woody wrote:

On Wed 29/10/2025 15:17, Graham J wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach
want to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing
to run it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

Sounds like more than a chocolate biscuit job?

Probably.

The ONT needs mains electricity, so it would be useful to site it near
a power socket.

You can put your router anywhere, but it needs Ethernet to connect it
to the ONT, so near the ONT would be good.-a However the router may be
your only source of WiFi so having it somewhere central may be
worthwhile. This may conflict with the desired location for the ONT
and present insurmountable problems with running an Ethernet cable
between the two. The router will also need mains electricity.

Often the FTTP install is a 2-stage process, with one technician
installing the fibre from the street into your premises, and several
days later another installs the ONT.

If you want the fibre run round 2 sides of your bungalow it may help
to ensure there is clear access.-a The installer may well not want to
use a ladder unless there is no alternative.

I would rephrase that. "The installer may not be allowed to use a
ladder." Many organisations nowadays will not permit use of a ladder for anything above 2m unless the task can be completed within 30 mins.

Openreach will use a ladder, but may put a fixture in your wall to
secure the ladder whilst this is in progress, so I am not sure they
would run the external fibre round the side of your house. However as
the say multiple ladder holes might be needed they will run for some distance...

https://www.openreach.com/help-and-support/full-fibre-broadband-installation-checklist

The fibre is split, so the drop cable comes to grey link box where it
then connects to the piece that comes inside the house. This link box
allows BT to replace the drop cable without accessing the house, or
re-locate the ONT without climbing a pole.

This box must be at ground level.

They also state they want a proper double socket where the ONT is, and
expect the router to be adjacent. Of course you can move it later.


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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach want
to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to run it
round 2 sides of a bungalow?

fibre doesn't need to enter at the existing place that copper does,
though a standard install doesn't allow for much distance internally
after the entry point (there's a 'luxury' install option that does).

Generally they will only go for the easiest option (for them). If itrCOs more convenient for you to have it elsewhere then if you can, do much of the groundwork yourself.

I wanted my fibre to run around the edge of my front garden, under a block paved path, through the front wall of my house and then under my lounge
floor, across my hall and into my cupboard under the stairs (where my
router is).

I drilled my garden wall by by street rCLtobyrCY, buried conduit in my garden (with a rCLpull through roperCY), and ran another pull through from my understairs cupboard to my desired entry point.

Possibly more than I needed to do but I got my ONT exactly where I wanted
it by my chosen route.

Tim
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 12:54:23 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach want
to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to run
it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

fibre doesn't need to enter at the existing place that copper does,
though a standard install doesn't allow for much distance internally
after the entry point (there's a 'luxury' install option that does).

I must have one of the shortest distances between the splice point and the ONT. It's about 3 inches.
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On 29/10/2025 12:44, Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The

Even when the ISP is Plusnet, the fibre installation may not be by
Openreach (or at least, not a direct employee in an Openreach van).

current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach want to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing to run it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

My daughter's house had a long, high copper line to the rear. The
technician offered to install to the front of the house ('most people want that') but when he checked up that pole it was not possible. Anywhere on
the rear wall would have been acceptable (terrace house).

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Tim+ wrote:

I drilled my garden wall by by street rCLtobyrCY

Sounds like a non-BT connection?
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

I drilled my garden wall by by street rCLtobyrCY

Sounds like a non-BT connection?

Nope. OpenReach installed new ducts in our street beforehand.

Tim
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Tim+ wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

I drilled my garden wall by by street rCLtobyrCY

Sounds like a non-BT connection?

Nope. OpenReach installed new ducts in our street beforehand.

I've never noticed any BT tobys, are they branded?

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

I drilled my garden wall by by street rCLtobyrCY

Sounds like a non-BT connection?

Nope. OpenReach installed new ducts in our street beforehand.

I've never noticed any BT tobys, are they branded?

They have rCLopenreachrCY branding.

Tim
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On 30/10/2025 08:35, Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Tim+ wrote:

I drilled my garden wall by by street rCLtobyrCY

Sounds like a non-BT connection?

Nope. OpenReach installed new ducts in our street beforehand.

I've never noticed any BT tobys, are they branded?

Yep

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/attachments/port-webp.1534/

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Jeff Gaines wrote:

FTTP is now available to me apparently.

How flexible is Openreach when it comes to where to put the ONT? The
current 'phone wiring runs through the loft or under the floor and is
buried in the wall (don't know if it's in conduit). Will Openreach
want to put it in the first available spot or might they be willing
to run it round 2 sides of a bungalow?

Sounds like more than a chocolate biscuit job?

I had FTTP full fibre fitted by Openreach last Friday (09/11/2025) the afternoon. I've switched from PN to EE, which I believe is now part of
the BT conglomerate, along with Plusnet and many others. They arrived
around 13:45 and I was up and running by 15:00. They routed their
cabling alongside the plusnet cable, added a small grey plastic
junction box on the outside wall of the house. and then continued the
cable through the 'Plusnet' hole in the wall, to another small box
adjacent to the Plusnet box and then to their new hub. All is invisible
from the lounge in the alcove in which the TV sits on it's table. By
15:00 they had departed and my BB speeds were 103 Mbps down and 18 Mbps somewhat better that the old copper system at 9.7 Mbps down and 1.2 Mbps
up. HTH
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18Mb/s upload seems a bit disappointing for FTTP.
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Brian Gregory wrote:

18Mb/s upload seems a bit disappointing for FTTP.

I suspect the O/P selected 115/20 Mbps service?

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Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:

18Mb/s upload seems a bit disappointing for FTTP.

Open Reach persist in offering asymmetric upload/download speeds, though
there is word that they might be changing given the competition. Many
(most?) fibre Altnets offer symmetric.

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Tweed wrote:

Open Reach persist in offering asymmetric upload/download speeds, though there is word that they might be changing given the competition. Many
(most?) fibre Altnets offer symmetric.

When/where/if openreach upgrade to XGSPON, that will be symmetric.

<https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/content/dam/cpportal/public/images-and-documents/home/help-and-support/sins/documents/STIN_1007v1p0.pdf>
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