• The Sleeping Forecast.

    From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 13:21:02 2026
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    I often put my bedside radio on Radio 2 late at night but there are
    several presenters, mainly the ones who cover for others who are away,
    who I cannot stand so I will often then switch to Radio 3 Unwind.

    I have been wondering what genius at the BBC thought it was a good idea
    to broadcast the Shipping Forecast with music playing over the top of it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cjyk2w



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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 13:55:03 2026
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    On 10/01/2026 13:21, JMB99 wrote:
    I often put my bedside radio on Radio 2 late at night but there are
    several presenters, mainly the ones who cover for others who are away,
    who I cannot stand so I will often then switch to Radio 3 Unwind.

    I have been wondering what genius at the BBC thought it was a good idea
    to broadcast the Shipping Forecast with music playing over the top of it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cjyk2w


    I wonder how many boat owners actually listen to the shipping forecast
    on broadcast radio these days, compared with those who get the info from
    the web or on maritime frequencies as an automated broadcast or
    coastguard broadcast. It's still worth keeping it as a backup in case
    all other methods fail.

    I wonder what proportion of listeners to it have no boat connection but
    are listening to it for ASMR purposes ;-) Those people might find the
    music therapeutic or soothing, whereas "real" users of the service need maximum signal to noise ratio: voice only with no background music.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 14:44:23 2026
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    On 2026/1/10 13:55:3, NY wrote:
    On 10/01/2026 13:21, JMB99 wrote:
    I often put my bedside radio on Radio 2 late at night but there are
    several presenters, mainly the ones who cover for others who are away,
    who I cannot stand so I will often then switch to Radio 3 Unwind.

    I have been wondering what genius at the BBC thought it was a good idea
    to broadcast the Shipping Forecast with music playing over the top of it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cjyk2w


    I wonder how many boat owners actually listen to the shipping forecast
    on broadcast radio these days, compared with those who get the info from
    the web or on maritime frequencies as an automated broadcast or
    coastguard broadcast. It's still worth keeping it as a backup in case
    all other methods fail.

    I wonder what proportion of listeners to it have no boat connection but
    are listening to it for ASMR purposes ;-) Those people might find the
    music therapeutic or soothing, whereas "real" users of the service need maximum signal to noise ratio: voice only with no background music.

    It's been referred to as "secular evensong".

    I listened to the above - "the sleeping forecast" - and at first thought
    this is maybe someone's underhand way of trying to end the shipping
    forecast - if no complaints, then it can perhaps be ended; as you say,
    people who really want it want voice only. But fear not, the real SF is
    there, though I had to poke (use the R4 schedule) to find it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002pfg7 is the one from 0:48 this
    morning (quite a lot of gales, as you'd expect with storm whatsitsname
    still about!). It's 14 minutes - that "sleeping forecast" is an hour, I
    think!
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 15:45:30 2026
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    On 10/01/2026 13:55, NY wrote:
    I wonder how many boat owners actually listen to the shipping forecast
    on broadcast radio these days, compared with those who get the info from
    the web or on maritime frequencies as an automated broadcast or
    coastguard broadcast. It's still worth keeping it as a backup in case
    all other methods fail.

    I wonder what proportion of listeners to it have no boat connection but
    are listening to it for ASMR purposes Efye-a Those people might find the music therapeutic or soothing, whereas "real" users of the service need maximum signal to noise ratio: voice only with no background music.


    When you look at the cost of most yachts, I am sure the owners can
    easily afford a NAVTEX receiver or even access to satellite.

    Professional mariners are not going to sit with pencil and paper writing
    down the forecast.






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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 17:10:31 2026
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    On Sat 10/01/2026 15:45, JMB99 wrote:
    On 10/01/2026 13:55, NY wrote:
    I wonder how many boat owners actually listen to the shipping forecast
    on broadcast radio these days, compared with those who get the info
    from the web or on maritime frequencies as an automated broadcast or
    coastguard broadcast. It's still worth keeping it as a backup in case
    all other methods fail.

    I wonder what proportion of listeners to it have no boat connection
    but are listening to it for ASMR purposes Efye-a Those people might find
    the music therapeutic or soothing, whereas "real" users of the service
    need maximum signal to noise ratio: voice only with no background music.


    When you look at the cost of most yachts, I am sure the owners can
    easily afford a NAVTEX receiver or even access to satellite.

    Professional mariners are not going to sit with pencil and paper writing down the forecast.







    I think there is still a SF at 17:54 (weekends only) but the main two
    are 00:48 and 05:34 on 198KHz LW and VHF/FM and last 9 minutes in total.
    These two also carry info from the Coastal Weather stations and the
    Inshore Waters Forecast. The SF forecast itself is about 6 minutes and
    is always EXACTLY 350 words.
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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 21:15:34 2026
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    On 10/01/2026 17:10, Woody wrote:
    I think there is still a SF at 17:54 (weekends only) but the main two
    are 00:48 and 05:34 on 198KHz LW and VHF/FM and last 9 minutes in total. These two also carry info from the Coastal Weather stations and the
    Inshore Waters Forecast. The SF forecast itself is about 6 minutes and
    is always EXACTLY 350 words.

    I didn't know it was always the same number of words. Obviously the
    names of the shipping areas are always the same, but I hadn't realised
    that all the various sea states were always the same number of words.
    Nice bit of trivia!

    I'd have thought that if the number of words was fixed, the duration
    would be pretty constant.

    Ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_Forecast says that it is a *maximum* ("limit") of 350 words (380 for the 00:48 SF).
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  • From Woody@harrogate3@ntlworld.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 22:16:27 2026
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    On Sat 10/01/2026 21:15, NY wrote:
    On 10/01/2026 17:10, Woody wrote:
    I think there is still a SF at 17:54 (weekends only) but the main two
    are 00:48 and 05:34 on 198KHz LW and VHF/FM and last 9 minutes in
    total. These two also carry info from the Coastal Weather stations and
    the Inshore Waters Forecast. The SF forecast itself is about 6 minutes
    and is always EXACTLY 350 words.

    I didn't know it was always the same number of words. Obviously the
    names of the shipping areas are always the same, but I hadn't realised
    that all the various sea states were always the same number of words.
    Nice bit of trivia!

    I'd have thought that if the number of words was fixed, the duration
    would be pretty constant.

    Ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_Forecast says that it is a *maximum* ("limit") of 350 words (380 for the 00:48 SF).


    The words nuclear and submarines come to mind.......
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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Jan 10 23:40:57 2026
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    On 10/01/2026 22:16, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 10/01/2026 21:15, NY wrote:
    I'd have thought that if the number of words was fixed, the duration
    would be pretty constant.

    Ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_Forecast says that it is a
    *maximum* ("limit") of 350 words (380 for the 00:48 SF).


    The words nuclear and submarines come to mind.......

    And that won't apply after they turn Droitwich off.
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    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From Adrian Caspersz@email@here.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jan 11 10:22:45 2026
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    On 10/01/2026 13:21, JMB99 wrote:
    I often put my bedside radio on Radio 2 late at night but there are
    several presenters, mainly the ones who cover for others who are away,
    who I cannot stand so I will often then switch to Radio 3 Unwind.

    I have been wondering what genius at the BBC thought it was a good idea
    to broadcast the Shipping Forecast with music playing over the top of it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cjyk2w


    Perhaps following this, which was done and dusted years ago.

    YouTube: Tears For Fears "Pharaohs" [B-side] (1985)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxMMcgp5hOA
    --
    Adrian C
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jan 11 11:27:09 2026
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    On 2026/1/10 23:40:57, John Williamson wrote:
    On 10/01/2026 22:16, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 10/01/2026 21:15, NY wrote:
    I'd have thought that if the number of words was fixed, the duration
    would be pretty constant.

    Ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_Forecast says that it is a>>> *maximum* ("limit") of 350 words (380 for the 00:48 SF).


    The words nuclear and submarines come to mind.......

    And that won't apply after they turn Droitwich off.

    Let's make sure they tell all the submarine captains when they do!
    ISTR - somewhere in the last 5 decades or so - a drama where this was
    actually invoked; for some reason the signal was indeed off, so they had
    planes buzzing around where the subs were thought to be,
    broadcasting/relaying the Today programme (or whatever), but the sub
    commander heard the planes ... can't remember any more details. Anyone?
    (Was probably on R4.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jan 11 11:35:55 2026
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    On 2026/1/11 10:22:45, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    On 10/01/2026 13:21, JMB99 wrote:
    I often put my bedside radio on Radio 2 late at night but there are
    several presenters, mainly the ones who cover for others who are away,
    who I cannot stand so I will often then switch to Radio 3 Unwind.

    I have been wondering what genius at the BBC thought it was a good idea
    to broadcast the Shipping Forecast with music playing over the top of it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cjyk2w


    Perhaps following this, which was done and dusted years ago.

    YouTube: Tears For Fears "Pharaohs" [B-side] (1985)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxMMcgp5hOA


    Then there is the Brian Perkins version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2t_x2Ag82Y, and the Meistersingers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z2jwDcb9wI (yes I know there are errors
    in the video).
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    As the man said when confronted by a large dinner salad, "This isn't
    food. This is what food eats."
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