Even if it wasn't, I think any source of "free" energy, such as
wind farms, it is daft to not use, in the interests of prolonging
our oil stocks if nothing else.
In that simple idea who could disagree, I don't but in reality the
damage to landscape caused by these horrific windmills and to
wildlife by these bird choppers, very bad. And of course it is not
FREE or anywhere near FREE it is vastly expensive as evidenced by our
worst in the world electricity prices.
(As for the silly argument sometimes given that
the wind doesn't always blow - that's like saying there is a man in
town giving away money; because he's not there every day, I'm not
going to take _any_ of the money. No wind advocate says we should
_rely_ on it.)
But the money given to you in the town can be saved. Saving
electricity is extremely difficult if not totally impractical.
So what do you do when the wind doesn't blow and it's at night?
You fire up a more conventional generator which means you have to pay
for and maintain and balance two systems. It can never be cheaper.
As for "women should have prostate checks", that sounds like a
Daily Mail invention; obviously, only those _with_ a prostate
should have it checked, and I've not heard any suggestion to the
contrary.
NHS. They may have said women with a prostate I'm unsure but as I
don't wish to be arrested I'm sure you can guess my thoughts.
BTW, I have nothing against men who wish to live a life as close to
female as possible, like all other groups, provided you don't
compromise other people's lives, good luck to them.
We all have different degrees to which we surrender our rights to
"the collective", "society", etcetera. There are certainly elements
who want to control us - as much on the right as the left, too. the
desire to impose tends to be stronger towards the extreme - both
extremes.
Nooo! Which sides always want freedoms shut down, particularly speech
The right are based on freedoms of the individual, the left are based
on the collective control, basic stuff.
Who made Wales 20mph and again in Wales who stopped children's books
and women's toiletries from being sold during covid? None essential apparently. The left are control freaks.
I am convinced that most of the reasons people want to change sex
is not that they want to have babies (it's very largely males
wanting to be females)
Yes of course so far.
; there seems to be very little research into
that area - but because of the different ways our societies treat
the two sexes. Some people do not want to be macho; the chance of
changing how society views the gender roles is so minimal that
pretending to want to change is the only way they see of being
_treated_ differently.
I well accept that many men are not and don't want to be macho,
depending on exactly what you mean I might be one of them. I'm no
rugby playing alpha male myself. I accept there is a spectrum of how
people's personalities sit on the macho scale.
But no matter how not macho XY chromosomes ....
Diversity is not a strength.
We'll just have to disagree on that one.
Unity was and would be our strength, I cannot even imagine how
diversity helps the nation succeed any better than if there was no
diversity. I'm not saying us whites are better, the same would be
true anywhere regardless of race and culture. A mixed bunch will be
less inclined to have a common goal.
Most of the problem with immigration is legal stuff not the boats.
Abortion is very much a last resort, whatever age. However, I don't
think we as men have much right to force our views. On this
subject, I feel there needs to be far more research into artificial
wombs.
Lets call it what it is, abortion that close to birth is murder pure
and simple. There are no excuses for murder and even men should be
stopping it.
If a termination is needed is should be done many months before that
stage.
My wife and I enjoyed Dr. who since it started, yes it was often
Let me guess, you didn't like the female doctor.
Mate I love women, I wouldn't want any woman to not succeed every bit
as much as men. But that step was pushing the envelope into gender
and then we had race, it was engineering and manipulation.
The BBC is completely captured by twisted ideology it can't be
saved.
You can think that.
I do, it lives in a fantasy that doesn't exist.
I think we should probably take this discussion out of UTB - it's
got little to do with the T or the B, and has drifted away from
even the BBC in most part. I may not continue here. (I may not
continue anywhere - not that I'm conceding defeat, just that I
think we're too far apart in views for constructive discussion to
continue. We even agree on some things!)
You argue with politeness and civility, I thank you for that, have a
good christmas.
Bob.
On 2025/12/3 21:44:12, Bob Latham wrote:
Even if it wasn't, I think any source of "free" energy, such as
wind farms, it is daft to not use, in the interests of prolonging
our oil stocks if nothing else.
In that simple idea who could disagree, I don't but in reality the
damage to landscape caused by these horrific windmills and to
Subjective. I like them.
wildlife by these bird choppers, very bad. And of course it is not
Provocative. If you're really convinced about the birds, put them
(the windmills I mean) in giant shields like desk fans.
FREE or anywhere near FREE it is vastly expensive as evidenced by
our worst in the world electricity prices.
(As for the silly argument sometimes given that the wind doesn't
always blow - that's like saying there is a man in town giving
away money; because he's not there every day, I'm not going to
take _any_ of the money. No wind advocate says we should _rely_
on it.)
But the money given to you in the town can be saved. Saving
electricity is extremely difficult if not totally impractical.
Agreed, though that _is_ changing - very slowly.
So what do you do when the wind doesn't blow and it's at night?
Sigh. You use another source - such as, in extremis, oil/gas/coal
fired stations.
(And don't give me that crap about "it costs to
keep them ticking over". It costs a lot less to keep them running
under no load than under load; your [petrol or diesel] car uses a
lot less fuel coasting downhill, even if in gear, than it does
going uphill, even if at the same speed.)
You fire up a more conventional generator which means you have to
pay for and maintain and balance two systems. It can never be
cheaper.
See above. It costs less (in fuel) to run them when they aren't
generating power, i. e. when the wind is blowing.
As for "women should have prostate checks", that sounds like a
Daily Mail invention; obviously, only those _with_ a prostate
should have it checked, and I've not heard any suggestion to the
contrary.
NHS. They may have said women with a prostate I'm unsure but as I
don't wish to be arrested I'm sure you can guess my thoughts.
If they've got a prostate, check it. Whatever they claim to be.
(I've had it done. It's not comfortable, to put it mildly.)
BTW, I have nothing against men who wish to live a life as close
to female as possible, like all other groups, provided you don't
compromise other people's lives, good luck to them.
"As long as it doesn't frighten the horses" :-)
We all have different degrees to which we surrender our rights
to "the collective", "society", etcetera. There are certainly
elements who want to control us - as much on the right as the
left, too. the desire to impose tends to be stronger towards the
extreme - both extremes.
Nooo! Which sides always want freedoms shut down, particularly
speech
Both. Especially speech (and thought, if they could
The right are based on freedoms of the individual, the left are
based on the collective control, basic stuff.
A common oversimplification.
Politics is not a single axis: it's at
least two. The common one, with left and right at the extremes
(communism to fascism is one way of describing the extremes); the other
is individual freedom. I think of myself as a little right of centre
(the UK centre, that is; the US centre is a lot further to the right
anyway) on the left-right axis, but fairly strongly on the
non-interference side of the other axis.
Who made Wales 20mph and again in Wales who stopped children's
books and women's toiletries from being sold during covid? None
essential apparently. The left are control freaks.
So are the extreme right. (For example, they want to control -
prohibit - left thinking.)
I well accept that many men are not and don't want to be macho,
depending on exactly what you mean I might be one of them. I'm no
rugby playing alpha male myself. I accept there is a spectrum of
how people's personalities sit on the macho scale.
It's all a matter of degree. When I was a lad (1970s), I had
considerable difficulty convincing my schoolmates that I was not
_interested_ in football - and was looked at a bit askance; even
into the '80s (even now to some extent), I am sure some of my
contemporaries didn't really accept that I'm not into
pubs/drinking, and don't like beer or dry cider/wine.
(I never lost the sweet tooth of childhood: i like sweet sherry,
liqueurs etc., but no "man" would drink those when with others
sinking pints.)
I have never liked drunkenness or violence (and yes, I do connect
the two).
Can't say _I_ have ever wanted to, but I think say a man
who wanted to wear dresses would be looked at very suspiciously
(even now, he can only be "accepted" if he makes fun of it by being
a drag queen).
"Househusbands" are still a figure of somewhere between fun and
suspicion.
Diversity is not a strength.
We'll just have to disagree on that one.
Unity was and would be our strength, I cannot even imagine how
diversity helps the nation succeed any better than if there was
no diversity. I'm not saying us whites are better, the same would
be true anywhere regardless of race and culture. A mixed bunch
will be less inclined to have a common goal.
Not accepting the minority is part of the "macho" thing. Accepting
- by which I don't just mean tolerating, I mean listening to and
even implementing suggestions from - someone not part of your
"group", IMO weakens.
Abortion is very much a last resort, whatever age. However, I
don't think we as men have much right to force our views. On
this subject, I feel there needs to be far more research into
artificial wombs.
Lets call it what it is, abortion that close to birth is murder
pure and simple. There are no excuses for murder and even men
should be stopping it.
If a termination is needed is should be done many months before
that stage.
You'd force a woman to go to full term. I suspect we'll never agree
on what "needed" means. But, assuming you _do_ want as little
abortion as possible, you should be campaigning for more research
into both artificial wombs and embryo/foetus transplants (assuming
you can find enough surrogates). Rather than forcing ...
My wife and I enjoyed Dr. who since it started, yes it was often
Let me guess, you didn't like the female doctor.
Mate I love women, I wouldn't want any woman to not succeed every bit
"Some of my best friends are ..." [insert whatever category you like]
as much as men. But that step was pushing the envelope into gender
and then we had race, it was engineering and manipulation.
So you didn't like the non-white doctor(s? I l've lost track) either?
The BBC is completely captured by twisted ideology it can't be
saved.
You can think that.
I do, it lives in a fantasy that doesn't exist.
I feel _you_ do, so we'll never agree.
Can't say _I_ have ever wanted to, but
I think say a man who wanted to wear dresses would be looked at very suspiciously
(even now, he can only be "accepted" if he makes fun of it
by being a drag queen).
"Househusbands" are still a figure of somewhere
between fun and suspicion.
BTW, I have nothing against men who wish to live a life as close to
female as possible, like all other groups, provided you don't
compromise other people's lives, good luck to them.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]
Can't say _I_ have ever wanted to, but
I think say a man who wanted to wear dresses would be looked at very
suspiciously
The problem with being a man is that everything you do is scrutinised
for sexual intent. Having become a woman socially, I am very aware of
that and it is a great relief to be rid of it.
Actually dresses are a problem for someone with broader shoulders and narrower hips than the average female. I can wear a Size 12 skirt but I
need a Size 18 dress to be able to get my arms into it - then it billows
out like a barrage balloon at the middle. I have just a few dresses
that I find wearable but generally I stick to separate tops and skirts,
some of which I make myself.
<http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/dressmaking/A-line/A-lineSkirtIntro.php>
(even now, he can only be "accepted" if he makes fun of it
by being a drag queen).
That is performance art - something completely different.
"Househusbands" are still a figure of somewhere
between fun and suspicion.
Perhaps the perception differs from place to place. My neighbour across
the road is a high-powered business executive and her husband is a househusband. Whilst it is less usual than the other way around, I have never heard anyone think less of him for his chosen r||le or have any suspicions about his motives.
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
BTW, I have nothing against men who wish to live a life as close
to female as possible, like all other groups, provided you don't
compromise other people's lives, good luck to them.
That is the key to the whole thing, transgender people have been
living amongst us for generations and they have never caused any
trouble. They naturally occur as about 0.5% of the population.
They are no more likely to commit crimes than cisgender people
(probably less) and there are no sexual predators among them,
despite what the media say.
Unfortunately there is a small group of bigots
who feel it is their mission to make life intolerable for any trans
person because it offends against their beliefs. They have
attempted to demonise transwomen in particular and are now using
vast financial resources (from J.K.Rowling and the American
extremist religions) to threaten leagal action against any
organisations who treat their trangender members properly.
They have the ear of the print media and their lies are picked up
and repeated unquestioningly by the BBC.
Imagine there was a fascist
group which set out to demonise black
people and their antics resulted in positive headlines in the
press; would the BBC repeat those headlines and then stage an
interview which allowed their spokesman to repeat lie after lie and
slur after slur without opposition. That is what they have been
doing regularly with the anti-transgender lobby.
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women.
... I also worry that predators males will no doubt
pretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces.
I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
I'm sorry, I'll choose my words carefully... I've not yet read
anything written by J.K.Rowling which I thought unfair or untrue.
That's not to say she hasn't said anything wrong but I've not seen it.
I suppose it depends what you mean by "properly" and in what context.
They have the ear of the print media and their lies are picked up
and repeated unquestioningly by the BBC.
Imagine there was a fascist
Oh sorry mate, if your going to accuse people of being bigots and
fascists because you disagree with their view, that's it for me..
group which set out to demonise black
people and their antics resulted in positive headlines in the
press; would the BBC repeat those headlines and then stage an
interview which allowed their spokesman to repeat lie after lie and
slur after slur without opposition. That is what they have been
doing regularly with the anti-transgender lobby.
That is the key to the whole thing, transgender people have been living amongst us for generations and they have never caused any trouble.
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
pretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
On 04/12/2025 10:16, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
That is the key to the whole thing, transgender people have been living amongst us for generations and they have never caused any trouble.
I am sure they have but we seem to have a lot of campaigners trying to
get access to single-sex areas against the wishes of the users of those areas.
It has been going on for years but got much worse recently despite the
law making it clear that they do not have the right of access to those
areas.
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
pretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
I think like most people, the only CIS that I know is the Cooperative Insurance Society.
Seems to be a term used by a small group amongst themselves.
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:They are both; the cis- term isn't needed in everyday use, only where it
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
I agree with you there: they must exist (always have) [though how commonpretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
(-: [probably only capitalised, though]
I think like most people, the only CIS that I know is the Cooperative
Insurance Society.
Seems to be a term used by a small group amongst themselves.
It is a Latin term which crops up in scientific use. Most medical and scientific writings fall back on Latin when a precise meaning is
required.
Cis means "on the same side as".
Trans means "on the opposite side from".
On 2025/12/5 9:8:35, Liz Tuddenham wrote:[...]
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
I agree with you there: they must exist (always have) [though how commonpretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
is probably exaggerated by those it suits to do so], and damage the reputation of genuine trans people.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/5 9:8:35, Liz Tuddenham wrote:[...]
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
I agree with you there: they must exist (always have) [though how commonpretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
is probably exaggerated by those it suits to do so], and damage the
reputation of genuine trans people.
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none
On 2025/12/5 11:2:19, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/5 9:8:35, Liz Tuddenham wrote:[...]
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
I agree with you there: they must exist (always have) [though how common >> is probably exaggerated by those it suits to do so], and damage thepretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into >>>>> women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage >>>>> the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
reputation of genuine trans people.
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none
Nobody's saying it's _genuine_ transwomen. They keep to themselves, of course.
Whether what is being suggested - i. e. men (who have no desire to be,
or be treated, as women) dressing as women to get into e. g. women's
changing rooms (and, perhaps, taking images/videos) - I don't know (if
that was their aim, it would not be _known about_ until too late); I
don't read those papers (or any papers, for that matter). But I could
believe it could happen, and I think most reasonable people would
believe so too, and I think denying the _possibility_ is
counter-productive to the cause. (Though how to _prevent_ it, I have no suggestion.)
"I mean, the nonsense of it. The sheer nonsense of it, we all know that.
That a man was going to dress up as a woman come into a changing room
for the purposes of attacking me, as though, with all of the
conversations we've had about femicide in this room, we ever needed a
man to dress up to attack a woman? Did you ever hear such nonsense ever?
On 2025/12/5 11:43:46, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[]
"I mean, the nonsense of it. The sheer nonsense of it, we all know that. That a man was going to dress up as a woman come into a changing room
for the purposes of attacking me, as though, with all of the
conversations we've had about femicide in this room, we ever needed a
man to dress up to attack a woman? Did you ever hear such nonsense ever?
[]
How about men dressing as women to take videos in changing/locker rooms?
I understand there are many such videos on the porn sites. I find it difficult to believe all those shown in such videos have given their
consent.
(There's more than just physical attacking, in other words.)
Again, I don't know what the solution is.
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women.
It's not an insult, it is a technical description. Cis women have their gender aligned with their sex, trans women have their gender opposite
from their sex. (If you regard sex and gender in the traditional way).
You will find the terms cis and trans used in chemistry to describe
isomers that are 'right' or 'left' handed.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/5 9:8:35, Liz Tuddenham wrote:[...]
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
I agree with you there: they must exist (always have) [though how commonpretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into
women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage
the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
is probably exaggerated by those it suits to do so], and damage the
reputation of genuine trans people.
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none whatsoever. If there had been, it would have been all over the media
for weeks.
The biggest threat to women in toilets at the moment is being accosted
by a vigilante who thinks they don't look feminine enough, so they must
be a man.
That's clearly a consequence of the trans "movement". No-one cared before.
On 04/12/2025 12:55, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women.
It's not an insult, it is a technical description. Cis women have their gender aligned with their sex, trans women have their gender opposite
from their sex. (If you regard sex and gender in the traditional way).
You will find the terms cis and trans used in chemistry to describe
isomers that are 'right' or 'left' handed.
Since the majority of people have their gender aligned with their sex,
that is the default and no extra term is required.
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
[...]
That's clearly a consequence of the trans "movement". No-one cared before.
Not many care now.
On 05/12/2025 11:02, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/5 9:8:35, Liz Tuddenham wrote:[...]
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 11:57, Bob Latham wrote:
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women. They are
women not ciswomen. I also worry that predators males will no doubt
I agree with you there: they must exist (always have) [though how common >> is probably exaggerated by those it suits to do so], and damage thepretend to be trans for all sorts of reasons including getting into >>>>> women's spaces. I agree that's unfortunate and these people damage >>>>> the reputation of trans people but they exist I'm sure.
reputation of genuine trans people.
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none whatsoever. If there had been, it would have been all over the media
for weeks.
The biggest threat to women in toilets at the moment is being accosted
by a vigilante who thinks they don't look feminine enough, so they must
be a man.
That's clearly a consequence of the trans "movement". No-one cared before.
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 12:55, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women.
It's not an insult, it is a technical description. Cis women have their >> > gender aligned with their sex, trans women have their gender opposite
from their sex. (If you regard sex and gender in the traditional way).
You will find the terms cis and trans used in chemistry to describe
isomers that are 'right' or 'left' handed.
Since the majority of people have their gender aligned with their sex,
that is the default and no extra term is required.
Since the majority of people are right-handed that is the default and no >extra term is required when asking are you left-handed or ????
Since the majority of people are adults that is the default and no extra
term is required when asking are you a child or ????
Since the majority of people are able-bodied that is the default and no
extra term is required when asking are you disabled or ????
When you are comparing two states, you need to have two terms to
describe those states.
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none whatsoever. If there had been, it would have been all over the media
for weeks.
How about men dressing as women to take videos in changing/locker rooms?
I understand there are many such videos on the porn sites. I find it difficult to believe all those shown in such videos have given their
consent.
On 05/12/2025 11:02, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none whatsoever. If there had been, it would have been all over the media
for weeks.
It seems to more common in changing areas
, ladies' toilets are less
vulnerable because of them normally having separate cubicles, as in the
cases in Fife.
On 05/12/2025 12:12, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
How about men dressing as women to take videos in changing/locker rooms?
I understand there are many such videos on the porn sites. I find it difficult to believe all those shown in such videos have given their consent.
People can just be uncomfortable. A friend told me of going to compete
in a marathon in Germany and finding that everyone had to change and
shower in the open outside but the Germans are funny like that!
I haven't heard about what happened in Fife, could you elaborate please?
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 12:55, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women.
It's not an insult, it is a technical description. Cis women have their >>> gender aligned with their sex, trans women have their gender opposite
from their sex. (If you regard sex and gender in the traditional way).
You will find the terms cis and trans used in chemistry to describe
isomers that are 'right' or 'left' handed.
Since the majority of people have their gender aligned with their sex,
that is the default and no extra term is required.
Since the majority of people are right-handed that is the default and no extra term is required when asking are you left-handed or ????
Since the majority of people are adults that is the default and no extra
term is required when asking are you a child or ????
Since the majority of people are able-bodied that is the default and no
extra term is required when asking are you disabled or ????
When you are comparing two states, you need to have two terms to
describe those states.
On 06/12/2025 10:23, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I haven't heard about what happened in Fife, could you elaborate please?
There has been this long running case there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3r78x9dg8vo
On 05/12/2025 11:02, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
They haven't been exaggerated, they have been invented. There are no examples of genuine transwomen preying on ciswomen in toilets - none whatsoever. If there had been, it would have been all over the media
for weeks.
It seems to more common in changing areas
Have you ever stopped to wonder how a nurse (now ex-nurse) can afford to
take massively expensive legal cases like this, one after another?
On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 22:09:29 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalidTo repeat my earlier example, wouldn't this question sound a bit odd:
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 04/12/2025 12:55, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I hate the CIS stuff sorry but for me it insults women.
It's not an insult, it is a technical description. Cis women have their >>>> gender aligned with their sex, trans women have their gender opposite
from their sex. (If you regard sex and gender in the traditional way). >>>> You will find the terms cis and trans used in chemistry to describe
isomers that are 'right' or 'left' handed.
Since the majority of people have their gender aligned with their sex,
that is the default and no extra term is required.
Since the majority of people are right-handed that is the default and no
extra term is required when asking are you left-handed or ????
Since the majority of people are adults that is the default and no extra
term is required when asking are you a child or ????
Since the majority of people are able-bodied that is the default and no
extra term is required when asking are you disabled or ????
When you are comparing two states, you need to have two terms to
describe those states.
If anybody needs to ask me which sex I am, I can simply say I'm male,
not any special kind of male, just normal male. There's no need for
any extra qualifying terms. There might be a need for extra terms when there's something extra to explain, but not when there isn't. It's a
fairly common practice in many situations to assume the defaults
unless otherwise stated.
Rod.
On 06/12/2025 15:50, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Have you ever stopped to wonder how a nurse (now ex-nurse) can afford to take massively expensive legal cases like this, one after another?
I have not followed the case in detail but there is something very odd
about NHS Fife?
I think only because she has had no support from her trade union.
Have you thought why a male doctor went into an area for female nurses?
On 06/12/2025 15:50, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Have you ever stopped to wonder how a nurse (now ex-nurse) can afford to take massively expensive legal cases like this, one after another?
I have not followed the case in detail but there is something very odd
about NHS Fife?
I think only because she has had no support from her trade union.
Have you thought why a male doctor went into an area for female nurses?
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