• Sale of ITV

    From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 8 00:13:57 2025
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    Will the sale of ITV to Sky give Sky access to Freeview?





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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 8 11:29:14 2025
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    On 2025/11/8 0:13:57, JMB99 wrote:
    Will the sale of ITV to Sky give Sky access to Freeview?





    What do you mean by "access"? Sky already have several channels that are available on Freeview (Sky mix on 11, Sky News 233, Sky Arts 36, and I
    wouldn't be surprised if they have at least some shares of other
    groupings, such as U, 5, and Great). If you mean ITV1 (3 and 103), then
    yes, they'd have access to those channels too - subject to anything the
    CMA may do regarding competition/dominant positions, and anything OfCom
    may do regarding percentage of foreign ownership of media.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 8 11:33:28 2025
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    On 08/11/2025 11:29, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Sky already have several channels that are
    available on Freeview (Sky mix on 11, Sky News 233, Sky Arts 36, and I wouldn't be surprised if they have at least some shares of other
    groupings, such as U, 5, and Great).


    But over the whole UK.

    Doesn't bother me, I have no interest in getting access to Sky but just wondered.



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  • From Mark Carver@mark@invalid.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 8 13:16:21 2025
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    On 08/11/2025 11:33, JMB99 wrote:
    On 08/11/2025 11:29, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Sky already have several channels that are
    available on Freeview (Sky mix on 11, Sky News 233, Sky Arts 36, and I
    wouldn't be surprised if they have at least some shares of other
    groupings, such as U, 5, and Great).


    But over the whole UK.

    92+% of the UK population, like it or not but that's termed as national coverage
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 8 14:57:24 2025
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    On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 00:13:57 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    Will the sale of ITV to Sky give Sky access to Freeview?

    Strategically, would it not be better for them to withdraw ITV from
    Freeview in order to migrate viewers to other platforms to benefit the
    other Sky channels - or am I too cynical?
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 01:02:36 2025
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    For reason I don't understand, you removed your original question:
    "Will the sale of ITV to Sky give Sky access to Freeview?"
    On 2025/11/8 11:33:28, JMB99 wrote:
    On 08/11/2025 11:29, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Sky already have several channels that are
    available on Freeview (Sky mix on 11, Sky News 233, Sky Arts 36, and I>> wouldn't be surprised if they have at least some shares of other
    groupings, such as U, 5, and Great).


    But over the whole UK.
    I don't understand what you are asking.
    AFAIK, _all_ Freeview channels (except 7 or 8) _are_ accessible over the
    whole UK, to some extent: some channels aren't available on some relays.

    Doesn't bother me, I have no interest in getting access to Sky but just wondered.

    Ah, is it that you're not worried about Sky getting excessive access,
    but instead you actually _want_ more access to Sky?

    If that's what you're after, then it would have one extra channel - itv1/Freeview 3 and 103 - but I'm pretty sure the CMA and OfCom wouldn't
    let it use that for just one of its existing non-Freeview channels,
    obliging it instead to maintain something not _that_ dissimilar to the
    current itv1.

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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 10:38:49 2025
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    On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 00:13:57 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    [snip]

    For anyone interested, here is a piece about possible consequences for
    STV: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy9p1enwnxro

    (Quote) If ITV sells its broadcasting business to Sky it would have
    profound implications for British broadcasting.

    The UK's most popular commercial channel ITV1 - which carries
    significant public service obligations unlike most other commercial
    channels - would become part of a multinational business.

    But the implications of any deal for viewers in Scotland are much less
    clear.

    The part of ITV which may be sold, the media and entertainment
    division, runs the company's tv channels such as ITV1, ITV2 and ITV3
    as well as the streaming service ITVX.

    ITV1 is not broadcast in central and northern Scotland.

    It is replaced by STV, although most of its programmes are bought in
    from ITV1 through an affiliation deal.

    Similarly, ITVX does not carry the same range of content in central
    and northern Scotland.

    ITV1 content, such as Emmerdale and Coronation Street, is available in
    most of Scotland through the STV Player instead.

    Viewers in Dumfries and Galloway and the Scottish Borders are served
    by ITV1, as ITV owns the former Border TV, and can also access the
    full ITVX service.

    There would naturally be interest there in whether a new owner would
    maintain the existing regional news service or ask the regulator for
    changes.

    However, ITV's smaller channels are directly available in the whole of Scotland.

    It's a slightly complex arrangement rooted in history.

    A blonde woman in a floral dress walks along a street while looking at
    her phone. A man in a white shirt, with his back to the camera, walks
    in the opposite direction with his back to the camera. A black sign
    with the multi-coloured ITV logo can be seen in the background.
    Image source,Alamy
    ITV1 and its parent company ITV plc are descended from the old
    confederation of regional broadcasters which were collectively known
    as Independent Television or ITV for short.

    Companies such as Granada TV and Anglia once held regional franchises
    to provide the only commercial tv service in their area.

    In the face of growing competition, the regional companies based in
    England and Wales gradually merged with each other to create ITV plc
    just over 20 years ago.

    ITV plc later acquired Channel TV in the Channel Islands and UTV in
    Northern Ireland.

    STV remains an entirely separate company but it still works closely
    with ITVplc.

    Channel 3 broadcasters are still expected to work together as a
    network.

    In commercial terms, the vast majority of the most popular and
    lucrative programmes shown by STV come from ITV1.

    Clearly if a new owner made any significant changes to the network
    schedule - perhaps increasing or cutting the budget for network
    content or changing the arrangements for providing the national news -
    there would be knock on implications for STV viewers.

    But fundamentally both STV and ITV plc are facing exactly the same
    challenges just now.

    Audiences for traditional linear tv are dropping. Advertising revenue
    is falling - both because of falling ratings and wider economic
    challenges.

    Separate news service row
    Both ITV and STV's businesses are split into two.

    One part of the business deals directly with the public, as it runs
    the tv channels and the streaming service.

    The other makes programmes, some of them for rival broadcasters and
    streamers.

    STV has been hit recently by a drop in advertising revenue and
    commissions.

    Its share price fell significantly and the company is now worth barely
    u50m. It is trying to save u3m by the end of next year.

    The company has been strongly condemned by Scottish politicians over
    its proposals to stop providing a separate news service for the north
    of Scotland.

    Regulator Ofcom is due to start a consultation on whether to allow
    this soon.

    If ITV's channels and streaming service are sold to Sky, would Sky be
    happy to let the current relationship between STV and ITV continue?

    Or would a multinational company want full access to the Scottish
    market?

    Would it contemplate offering to buy STV's tv channel and the STV
    Player? Or perhaps even bid for STV as a company?

    The low share price could certainly make the assets seem attractive to
    a buyer. But absolutely nothing is inevitable.

    For thirty years, STV has lived with endlessly regurgitated
    speculation that it might be bought over.

    But it is the great, and now unique, survivor of the old ITV
    federation.

    There is no reason to presume any sale of ITV plc's broadcasting
    assets would change that.

    Turning to the markets, ITV's share price rose on Friday over the
    possibility of a deal.

    However, there was no significant movement in STV's share price.

    It fell badly three months ago suggesting investors are not
    anticipating any bid for the company or some of its assets.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 12:44:14 2025
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    On 09/11/2025 10:38, Scott wrote:
    For anyone interested, here is a piece about possible consequences for
    STV:


    How do the viewing figures for the home produced STV programmes compare
    with networked ITV programmes.




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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 13:42:25 2025
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    On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:44:14 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 09/11/2025 10:38, Scott wrote:
    For anyone interested, here is a piece about possible consequences for
    STV:

    How do the viewing figures for the home produced STV programmes compare
    with networked ITV programmes.

    (Quote) In commercial terms, the vast majority of the most popular and lucrative programmes shown by STV come from ITV1. (End quote)

    I would assume commercial success is more important to the industry
    than viewing figures.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 13:59:45 2025
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    On 2025/11/9 13:42:25, Scott wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:44:14 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 09/11/2025 10:38, Scott wrote:
    For anyone interested, here is a piece about possible consequences for
    STV:

    How do the viewing figures for the home produced STV programmes compare
    with networked ITV programmes.

    (Quote) In commercial terms, the vast majority of the most popular and lucrative programmes shown by STV come from ITV1. (End quote)

    I would assume commercial success is more important to the industry
    than viewing figures.
    Sadly, I'd agree; however, "popular and lucrative" implies both - I
    would assume "popular" refers to viewing figures, not income (that's the "lucrative" part).
    --
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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 14:09:37 2025
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    On 09/11/2025 13:59, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/11/9 13:42:25, Scott wrote:

    I would assume commercial success is more important to the industry
    than viewing figures.

    Sadly, I'd agree; however, "popular and lucrative" implies both - I
    would assume "popular" refers to viewing figures, not income (that's the "lucrative" part).


    The two are linked, The more popular a programme is, the more
    advertisers are willing to pay to be featured in the gaps, so the more
    the broadcasters can pay the makers to show it.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 14:15:24 2025
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    On 2025/11/9 14:9:37, John Williamson wrote:
    On 09/11/2025 13:59, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/11/9 13:42:25, Scott wrote:

    I would assume commercial success is more important to the industry
    than viewing figures.

    Sadly, I'd agree; however, "popular and lucrative" implies both - I
    would assume "popular" refers to viewing figures, not income (that's the
    "lucrative" part).


    The two are linked, The more popular a programme is, the more
    advertisers are willing to pay to be featured in the gaps, so the more > the broadcasters can pay the makers to show it.

    True, but JMB99 was asking about viewing figures: "How do the viewing
    figures for the home produced STV programmes compare with networked ITV programmes."
    --
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 15:27:58 2025
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    On 09/11/2025 13:42, Scott wrote:
    I would assume commercial success is more important to the industry
    than viewing figures.



    But commercial success depends on how many viewers.




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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Nov 9 15:30:13 2025
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    On 09/11/2025 14:15, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    , but JMB99 was asking about viewing figures: "How do the viewing
    figures for the home produced STV programmes compare with networked ITV programmes."


    I presume commercial success is directly proportional to the number of
    bums on seats, to use the technical term. :-)
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 15 10:31:24 2025
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    On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 15:30:13 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 09/11/2025 14:15, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    , but JMB99 was asking about viewing figures: "How do the viewing
    figures for the home produced STV programmes compare with networked ITV
    programmes."

    I presume commercial success is directly proportional to the number of
    bums on seats, to use the technical term. :-)

    I thought it took account of the demographic of the audience. They
    want to attract people with higher disposable income.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 15 10:34:04 2025
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    On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 15:27:58 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 09/11/2025 13:42, Scott wrote:
    I would assume commercial success is more important to the industry
    than viewing figures.

    But commercial success depends on how many viewers.

    In that case, my original quote requires no qualification:
    (Quote) In commercial terms, the vast majority of the most popular and lucrative programmes shown by STV come from ITV1. (End quote)

    More people must watch 'ITV1' programmes. Would Sky be prepared to
    work with STV?
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Sat Nov 15 12:09:48 2025
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    On 15/11/2025 10:31, Scott wrote:
    I thought it took account of the demographic of the audience. They
    want to attract people with higher disposable income.


    That is a factor but if there are not the 'bums on seats' then
    disposable income is irrelevant.


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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 1 10:10:26 2025
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    On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 00:13:57 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    Will the sale of ITV to Sky give Sky access to Freeview?

    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception
    of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee :-)
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 1 16:13:33 2025
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    On 01/12/2025 10:10, Scott wrote:
    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception
    of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee




    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust despite
    the campaign against them.



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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 1 16:37:45 2025
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    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 16:13:33 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 10:10, Scott wrote:
    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception
    of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee

    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust despite
    the campaign against them.

    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 1 17:46:51 2025
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    In article <10gkerf$1fq1e$1@dont-email.me>,
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust
    despite the campaign against them.

    I'm sorry but in reality, being caught *twice* deliberately editing
    video footage to give a false impression about the president is not
    "a campaign against them". Neither is having a very predictable and
    obvious bias in their reporting and programme making.

    Anyone who trusts the BBC or any of the other main stream media
    channels is a fool as none of them can be relied upon to tell the
    truth.

    Bob.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 1 21:20:21 2025
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    On 2025/12/1 16:37:45, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 16:13:33 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 10:10, Scott wrote:
    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception
    of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee

    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust despite >> the campaign against them.
    I agree (despite recent events), but ...>>
    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.
    ... anything that results in people thinking they're not paying
    something they were before will always be overwhelmingly popular, People
    are like that.
    In the same way people, on the whole, always favour _any_ taxation
    regime where someone else pays what they'd been paying.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 09:50:01 2025
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    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 21:20:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
    wrote:

    On 2025/12/1 16:37:45, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 16:13:33 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 10:10, Scott wrote:
    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception >>>> of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee

    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust despite
    the campaign against them.

    I agree (despite recent events), but ...>>
    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.
    ... anything that results in people thinking they're not paying
    something they were before will always be overwhelmingly popular, People
    are like that.
    In the same way people, on the whole, always favour _any_ taxation
    regime where someone else pays what they'd been paying.

    My dad used to say that 'the rich' was anyone with more money than
    yourself :-)
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  • From NY@me@privacy.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 15:32:49 2025
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    On 02/12/2025 09:50, Scott wrote:
    My dad used to say that 'the rich' was anyone with more money than
    yourself :-)

    I'd describe 'the rich' as being those who have *considerably* more
    money than yourself - rather like the Harry Enfield "Considerablay
    richer that yow" sketches with the self-made millionaire from the Black Country.

    So it's not your boss, or even your boss's boss, but the MD or CEO or
    Head of Department (*) who earn "considerably more" for doing,
    apparently, f-all. :-)



    (*) Or, in 1980s terms, a city stockbroker Yuppie.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 18:45:57 2025
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    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 15:32:49 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 02/12/2025 09:50, Scott wrote:
    My dad used to say that 'the rich' was anyone with more money than
    yourself :-)

    I'd describe 'the rich' as being those who have *considerably* more
    money than yourself - rather like the Harry Enfield "Considerablay
    richer that yow" sketches with the self-made millionaire from the Black >Country.

    So it's not your boss, or even your boss's boss, but the MD or CEO or
    Head of Department (*) who earn "considerably more" for doing,
    apparently, f-all. :-)

    (*) Or, in 1980s terms, a city stockbroker Yuppie.

    My dad also said there should be no bonuses for top people doing their
    job. The only bonus should be that if you do the job properly you can
    remain in post for another year.
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 19:10:14 2025
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    On 01/12/2025 16:37, Scott wrote:
    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.


    Similar to a referendum on the price of newspapers campaigning against
    the BBC or the cost of ITV and CH4 that is passed on the consumers
    through the cost of advertising.



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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 19:14:14 2025
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    On 01/12/2025 17:46, Bob Latham wrote:
    Anyone who trusts the BBC or any of the other main stream media
    channels is a fool as none of them can be relied upon to tell the
    truth.


    Who do you trust then?

    I am sure other broadcasters and media have done similar.

    It is a minor error when you compare with the time the Daily Mirror
    faked photographs.


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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 19:44:44 2025
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    On 2025/12/2 19:14:14, JMB99 wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 17:46, Bob Latham wrote:
    Anyone who trusts the BBC or any of the other main stream media
    channels is a fool as none of them can be relied upon to tell the
    truth.


    Who do you trust then?

    I am sure other broadcasters and media have done similar.

    It is a minor error when you compare with the time the Daily Mirror
    faked photographs.


    Then there is the Fail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 19:48:05 2025
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    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 19:10:14 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 16:37, Scott wrote:
    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.

    Similar to a referendum on the price of newspapers campaigning against
    the BBC or the cost of ITV and CH4 that is passed on the consumers
    through the cost of advertising.

    Exactly. I am asking the likely outcome of a single question
    referendum on the abolition of the licence fee, with options 'Yes' or
    'No'. I am not saying that I support abolition.
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 20:57:04 2025
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    In article <10gndq8$2jc57$1@dont-email.me>,
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 17:46, Bob Latham wrote:
    Anyone who trusts the BBC or any of the other main stream media
    channels is a fool as none of them can be relied upon to tell the
    truth.


    Who do you trust then?

    For me, trust like respect has to be earned. I don't just trust
    anyone. I watched many outlets during brexit, elections and covid
    etc. and found it was obvious that some outlets were following an
    agenda.

    When I see outlets going with the latest ideology, which usually
    means ignoring reality to be a "good person", it quickly becomes
    obvious who the bad guys are. Spotting a woke agenda is the first
    step.

    I am sure other broadcasters and media have done similar.

    Oh yes but for me it's not so egregious as the BBC for 2 reasons.
    Firstly, because 20 years ago I had the BBC high on my respect list,
    I would have loved to work for the best of British. Unfortunately,
    how the mighty has fallen, the BBC output is now a million miles from
    reality in my world and the people I talk to. Programmes are
    unwatchable for their propaganda and ideological nonsense.

    The second reason is that I'm forced to pay for this bilge at the
    threat of fines and even prison.

    Yes, if you're woke, middle class, liberal, Islington mentality, and
    want the BBC to reinforce your views I can see that would be lovely
    but why should I pay for it? (I mean anyone specific by the "you're"
    term.)

    It is a minor error when you compare with the time the Daily Mirror
    faked photographs.

    I don't agree. The BBC, not that long ago was trusted by everyone,
    the were a reference and told the truth without favour. They have
    clearly now decided like law enforcement to take a side. That can't
    be right.

    Bob.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Tue Dec 2 22:33:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2025/12/2 21:18:41, John Williamson wrote:
    On 02/12/2025 19:48, Scott wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 19:10:14 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 16:37, Scott wrote:
    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.

    Similar to a referendum on the price of newspapers campaigning against
    the BBC or the cost of ITV and CH4 that is passed on the consumers
    through the cost of advertising.

    Exactly. I am asking the likely outcome of a single question
    referendum on the abolition of the licence fee, with options 'Yes' or
    'No'. I am not saying that I support abolition.

    If the question were to be phrased as "Should the BBC licence fee be abolished?" with no mention of alternative funding models, the answer
    would probably be a resounding YES!!!!.

    Of course it would. Same as if you asked about almost any tax.>
    Now ask how people would prefer that it be funded with all sensible alternatives getting a mention... (Subscription, pay per view, adverts, Government grant, licence fee...)

    Unfortunately, playing devil's advocate: that question has an underlying assumption: that it _should_ be funded (i. e. continue to exist at all):
    those who don't think so would say you're leaving out the option of none

    Personally, I am very much pro-BBC, with all its faults. I am aware,
    however, that this is a declining opinion, especially among the young. I
    think it is something - like the NHS - that is part of the fabric of the nation; but, I am aware that increasing numbers think otherwise.

    I have no easy solution.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    You can't abdicate and eat it
    - attributed to Wallis Simpson, in Radio Times 14-20 January 2012.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 09:19:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 21:18:41 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    If the question were to be phrased as "Should the BBC licence fee be >abolished?" with no mention of alternative funding models, the answer
    would probably be a resounding YES!!!!.

    Now ask how people would prefer that it be funded with all sensible >alternatives getting a mention... (Subscription, pay per view, adverts, >Government grant, licence fee...)

    A great many television services are already funded by various
    combinations of subscriptions and advertising, and they seem to be
    doing very nicely thank you. Choosing to pay for what you want and not
    being threatened with legal action if you don't want it seems to be a reasonably popular arrangement.

    Rod.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 10:01:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 21:18:41 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 02/12/2025 19:48, Scott wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 19:10:14 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 16:37, Scott wrote:
    But what would you expect the outcome of a referendum to be on the
    licence fee? That was my underlying question.

    Similar to a referendum on the price of newspapers campaigning against
    the BBC or the cost of ITV and CH4 that is passed on the consumers
    through the cost of advertising.

    Exactly. I am asking the likely outcome of a single question
    referendum on the abolition of the licence fee, with options 'Yes' or
    'No'. I am not saying that I support abolition.

    If the question were to be phrased as "Should the BBC licence fee be >abolished?" with no mention of alternative funding models, the answer
    would probably be a resounding YES!!!!.

    Now ask how people would prefer that it be funded with all sensible >alternatives getting a mention... (Subscription, pay per view, adverts, >Government grant, licence fee...)

    This would be like asking a CND supporter whether the nuclear
    deterrent should be funded out of Income Tax or VAT.
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  • From Max Demian@max_demian@bigfoot.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 11:50:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 03/12/2025 09:19, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 21:18:41 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    If the question were to be phrased as "Should the BBC licence fee be
    abolished?" with no mention of alternative funding models, the answer
    would probably be a resounding YES!!!!.

    Now ask how people would prefer that it be funded with all sensible
    alternatives getting a mention... (Subscription, pay per view, adverts,
    Government grant, licence fee...)

    A great many television services are already funded by various
    combinations of subscriptions and advertising, and they seem to be
    doing very nicely thank you. Choosing to pay for what you want and not
    being threatened with legal action if you don't want it seems to be a reasonably popular arrangement.

    Advertisements are only acceptable if they can be skipped (*not* ff) or
    easily edited out. Online access to TV would probably not allow this.
    --
    Max Demian
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 13:32:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2025/12/3 10:44:45, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <10gnpff$2jll1$4@dont-email.me>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    Personally, I am very much pro-BBC, with all its faults. I am
    aware, however, that this is a declining opinion, especially among
    the young. I think it is something - like the NHS - that is part of
    the fabric of the nation; but, I am aware that increasing numbers
    think otherwise.

    So I conclude you like be lied to or at least, you like the lies they
    tell.

    Of course not; I just prefer their flavour of lies to others available.

    Seriously, despite recent events, I still trust them more than most alternatives; also, yes they're biased (as all outlets are, one way or another), but I'm used to theirs, and adjust what I hear accordingly.


    For me and for millions like me, it gives me no pleasure to call for
    the end of the BBC, none at all. I would much prefer the BBC to
    return to reason, rationality, truth and drop agendas and wokeness.

    I was with you until the last four words. I'm moderately anti-woke
    myself, and agree the Beeb is sometimes a bit too far in that direction,
    but that's just one example of how I adjust.


    The BBC is an activist propaganda machine not a news outlet.

    Just drop the bullshit, Climate science like all science is NOT
    settled, biological sex immutable, Britain has done more good than
    barm to the world by far, etc. etc. etc. . it's simple, tell the
    bloody truth instead of Islington woke BS.

    Wow, your blue MABA hat is too tight - squeezing your brain a bit!


    So because they will not tell the truth they do not serve the needs
    of the vast majority of the country, so what's the good of paying for
    them at all?

    Would you keep the royals?


    I'll make a prediction, if the polls continue to predict a Reform
    government, the BBC will turn everything they have against Farage and

    Ah, I'd decided you were of that inclination before I even got to this paragraph (see above MABA comment).

    co., no hint of truth will remain. As a teenager he ate live animals
    and was for ever doing nazi salutes, don't worry, the BBC can always
    find activists to make these claims. Master mind champion and useful
    idiot Lammy has already claimed he hung around with the Hitler youth,
    19 years before he was born.

    Do you remember being told if we voted Brexit we would have no drugs,
    no green salad and a lot more besides and for some reason even our
    water supply was threatened. It will be worse for Reform much, much
    worse. The BBC is an activist propaganda machine not a news outlet.

    You are entitled to your own opinions.

    As I've said before, my view is that the BBC is more critical of the
    government that's currently in power - as it should be, as whoever's in
    power _has_ more power, and thus needs more criticism. They're certainly attacking the present government - or members of it - to the extent that
    I'm getting tired of it, despite never having been a Labour voter; but
    that's more or less as it should be. The concentration on attacking
    individuals - whether the PM, chancellor, home secretary, or Farage - I
    find a bit irritating, but _all_ the media do that.


    As a national broadcaster paid for by taxation it should be neutral
    and fair, stop laughing at the back.

    Bob.

    There's also excessive concentration on the news part; while
    understandable to some extent, it does tend to overshadow a lot of what
    else the Beeb does. (Yes, some of which you won't agree with, and some
    of which _I_ never use either. But I'm glad it's _there_.)

    John
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Not everything done in the dark is shameful.
    "Rafael Barba" in Law And Order - Special Victims Unit, 2017
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 13:39:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2025/12/3 11:50:46, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2025 09:19, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 21:18:41 +0000, John Williamson
    <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    If the question were to be phrased as "Should the BBC licence fee be
    abolished?" with no mention of alternative funding models, the answer
    would probably be a resounding YES!!!!.

    Now ask how people would prefer that it be funded with all sensible
    alternatives getting a mention... (Subscription, pay per view, adverts,
    Government grant, licence fee...)

    A great many television services are already funded by various
    combinations of subscriptions and advertising, and they seem to be
    doing very nicely thank you. Choosing to pay for what you want and not
    being threatened with legal action if you don't want it seems to be a
    reasonably popular arrangement.

    Turning the BBC into just another such would lose its ability to make
    things that are unpopular/untried (which often turn out to be either
    popular, great/significant, or both). Also note that it supports the
    radio channels (except the World Service I think).

    As for _how_ to fund it, I agree the present system is a bit draconian,
    and probably not long for this world. I think the best way would be from general taxation, like the NHS, police, MOD ... but there'd need to be
    some mechanism to protect it from government interference, at least to
    the extent it is now.


    Advertisements are only acceptable if they can be skipped (*not* ff) or easily edited out. Online access to TV would probably not allow this.

    Indeed.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Not everything done in the dark is shameful.
    "Rafael Barba" in Law And Order - Special Victims Unit, 2017
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 18:38:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <10gpe67$2jll1$6@dont-email.me>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/12/3 10:44:45, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <10gnpff$2jll1$4@dont-email.me>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    Of course not; I just prefer their flavour of lies to others
    available.

    Seriously, despite recent events, I still trust them more than most alternatives; also, yes they're biased (as all outlets are, one way
    or another), but I'm used to theirs, and adjust what I hear
    accordingly.

    I can't think of anything to say to that. :-)

    For me and for millions like me, it gives me no pleasure to call
    for the end of the BBC, none at all. I would much prefer the BBC
    to return to reason, rationality, truth and drop agendas and
    wokeness.

    I was with you until the last four words. I'm moderately anti-woke
    myself, and agree the Beeb is sometimes a bit too far in that
    direction, but that's just one example of how I adjust.

    I can't do that, I sometimes see clips of BBC news from other outlets
    and hear them talking about the climate crisis or women should have
    prostate checks and I just can't take it, I step away.

    The BBC is an activist propaganda machine not a news outlet.

    Just drop the bullshit, Climate science like all science is NOT
    settled, biological sex immutable, Britain has done more good than
    barm to the world by far, etc. etc. etc. . it's simple, tell the
    bloody truth instead of Islington woke BS.

    Wow, your blue MABA hat is too tight - squeezing your brain a bit!

    Don't know what MABA is.

    I just refuse to abandon reality just to be a "nice person" I would
    far rather be despised and stick with objective truth.

    So because they will not tell the truth they do not serve the
    needs of the vast majority of the country, so what's the good of
    paying for them at all?

    Would you keep the royals?

    Good question.

    The late queen unquestionably yes. Princess Anne, oh yes. Maybe
    princess Kate she seems solid enough but the rest - oh dear me.

    That's not to say I wish any harm on them and I do hope the King
    recovers.

    I'll make a prediction, if the polls continue to predict a Reform government, the BBC will turn everything they have against Farage
    and

    Ah, I'd decided you were of that inclination before I even got to
    this paragraph (see above MABA comment).

    Still don't know what MABA is, I presume its a derivative of Make
    America Great Again and a bit of an insult but that's okay.
    If I live long enough it is well possible I may vote for Reform if
    the situation is similar to right now. I'm certain who I will never
    vote for; Labour, Greens, Your party, Lib Dems, Ed Davey dear god.

    Everyone I can think of in my life except one, is saying the same
    things. I went to a christmas work reunion on Monday, is was the same
    there ..

    They say, the next election is Britain's last hope. If we don't elect
    a rational sensible, none woke, none socialist, government we're
    finished, our freedoms and choices are gone for good, the collective
    will have us.

    A socialist hellscape awaits, It's started already. Only one POV is
    allowed and prison awaits if you disagree. That's why lammy wants to
    rid us of jury trials, the wrong thinkers can go direct to jail. Lucy
    Connolly would never have gone to jail in a jury trial.

    Then I read today about a poor woman who's been told that calling
    someone who attacked her a "faggot" or something like that, means she
    faces up to 10 years in prison for a hate crime.

    Then someone got taken to the police station for calling *herself* a
    spaz.

    Remind me again, what is the maximum you can shop lift without police
    interest? is it u200 or so?

    If you get burgled or robbed the police are not interested.

    Identity cards are not for a good purpose, they are to control
    people, ordinary people, nothing to do with migrants.

    Have you noticed food has carbon credits on it now? Of sorry you
    can't buy that, you've exceeded your carbon limits. That's what's
    coming. That's the sort of thing they need digital ID for, control of
    you.

    On and on and on goes the madness.

    Here are some items that beggar belief they're in question.

    No-one has ever changed sex because it is burnt into every cell in
    the body.

    Diversity is not a strength.

    There is no evidence of a climate crisis, none at all, and I've
    studied it a lot since I retired and I've read a lot of good books.
    Yes, CO2 may have a very small and diminishing effect but it's
    trivial.
    TSI, Clouds and atmospheric pressure decide temperature not a trace
    gas and clouds or lack there of explains the warming since 1976 and
    the cooling 1937 to 1976. Terrible weather stations in urban heat
    islands which are really bad complete the picture.

    etc. etc.

    You are entitled to your own opinions.

    Thanks. There are many officials who would disagree with that.

    As I've said before, my view is that the BBC is more critical of
    the government that's currently in power

    Do they criticize them for refusing to do anything effectual about
    the boat crisis? Do they state that you cannot have a country without
    a working border and that thanks to the ECHR, activist judges and
    pitiful governments we don't have one?

    Do they criticise them for paying huge numbers of foreigners not even
    living in the UK social security or the unsustainable levels of
    borrowing and interest payment? Borrowing money to give it away to
    foreigners. We now borrow around u18B a month and u12B of that is to
    pay the interest on the loan we already have. This is insane !!!

    Do they bring up the idiocy of carbon capture machines?

    - as it should be, as whoever's in power _has_ more power, and thus
    needs more criticism. They're certainly attacking the present
    government - or members of it - to the extent that I'm getting
    tired of it, despite never having been a Labour voter; but that's
    more or less as it should be.

    I wonder how 'tired of it' the family of that poor woman who worked
    in a migrant hotel who got murdered with a screw driver are? I bet
    they're tired of it, no mommy for the kids at christmas.

    Never mind.
    Thoughts and prayers, lessons will be learnt, shut up for the sake of diversity............
    You know the drill.

    The concentration on attacking
    individuals - whether the PM, chancellor, home secretary, or Farage
    - I find a bit irritating, but _all_ the media do that.

    To my shame I did vote for Blair. It was he that started Britain's
    destruction.

    This government wants to allow abortion right up to birth and then
    euthanasia of elderly and sick. It gets harder and harder each day
    not to see this despicable, lying government as satanic.

    Do you remember, 'we had to cut the pensioner heating allowance
    otherwise there would have been a run on the pound'? It cost u1.5B.
    The same week they sent u11.5B to help Africa cope with the imaginary
    climate crisis but that didn't cause a run on the pound.

    Lying is no longer the last option, it's now the default option for
    this government. Andrew Neil says much the same thing.

    As a national broadcaster paid for by taxation it should be
    neutral and fair, stop laughing at the back.

    Bob.

    There's also excessive concentration on the news part; while
    understandable to some extent, it does tend to overshadow a lot of
    what else the Beeb does. (Yes, some of which you won't agree with,
    and some of which _I_ never use either. But I'm glad it's _there_.)

    My wife and I enjoyed Dr. who since it started, yes it was often
    rubbish but it was enjoyable rubbish. Then it started the social
    engineering, normalising the abnormal, woke preaching which finished
    it.

    The BBC is completely captured by twisted ideology it can't be saved.

    Bob.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 19:44:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2025/12/3 18:38:50, Bob Latham wrote:

    []

    I can't do that, I sometimes see clips of BBC news from other outlets
    and hear them talking about the climate crisis or women should have
    prostate checks and I just can't take it, I step away.

    I happen to believe there is a climate problem. Whether mankind is
    responsible is arguable; on balance, I believe the evidence in that
    direction is strong, but not 100% proven (as nothing can ever be, of
    course). Given that, I believe it is _prudent_ to take certain actions,
    where it is practical/economic to do so. Even if it wasn't, I think any
    source of "free" energy, such as wind farms, it is daft to not use, in
    the interests of prolonging our oil stocks if nothing else. (As for the
    silly argument sometimes given that the wind doesn't always blow -
    that's like saying there is a man in town giving away money; because
    he's not there every day, I'm not going to take _any_ of the money. No
    wind advocate says we should _rely_ on it.)

    As for "women should have prostate checks", that sounds like a Daily
    Mail invention; obviously, only those _with_ a prostate should have it
    checked, and I've not heard any suggestion to the contrary.


    The BBC is an activist propaganda machine not a news outlet.

    Just drop the bullshit, Climate science like all science is NOT
    settled, biological sex immutable, Britain has done more good than
    barm to the world by far, etc. etc. etc. . it's simple, tell the
    bloody truth instead of Islington woke BS.

    Wow, your blue MABA hat is too tight - squeezing your brain a bit!

    Don't know what MABA is.

    Sorry, my error: I should have said MBGA.

    []

    Would you keep the royals?

    Good question.

    The late queen unquestionably yes. Princess Anne, oh yes. Maybe

    Definitely with you on those two. But You accept them being funded out
    of taxation? Like the BBC might be? (I do - both.)

    princess Kate she seems solid enough but the rest - oh dear me.

    :-)


    That's not to say I wish any harm on them and I do hope the King
    recovers.

    Agreed.


    I'll make a prediction, if the polls continue to predict a Reform
    government, the BBC will turn everything they have against Farage
    and

    Ah, I'd decided you were of that inclination before I even got to
    this paragraph (see above MABA comment).

    Still don't know what MABA is, I presume its a derivative of Make
    America Great Again and a bit of an insult but that's okay.

    :-)

    If I live long enough it is well possible I may vote for Reform if
    the situation is similar to right now. I'm certain who I will never
    vote for; Labour, Greens, Your party, Lib Dems, Ed Davey dear god.

    (I've got out of touch enough that I'm not sure who Ed Davey is, though
    I've heard the name. CBA to look him up.)>
    Everyone I can think of in my life except one, is saying the same

    We tend to mix with those of like mind, so I'm not surprised.

    things. I went to a christmas work reunion on Monday, is was the same
    there ..

    They say, the next election is Britain's last hope. If we don't elect

    Has been said before of course.

    a rational sensible, none woke, none socialist, government we're
    finished, our freedoms and choices are gone for good, the collective
    will have us.

    A socialist hellscape awaits, It's started already. Only one POV is

    We all have different degrees to which we surrender our rights to "the collective", "society", etcetera. There are certainly elements who want
    to control us - as much on the right as the left, too. the desire to
    impose tends to be stronger towards the extreme - both extremes.

    []

    Identity cards are not for a good purpose, they are to control
    people, ordinary people, nothing to do with migrants.

    Well, I'm with you that they won't do what's claimed. And I do agree
    that there are some (on both extremes) who want them for control
    reasons, though they won't admit it.

    []

    No-one has ever changed sex because it is burnt into every cell in
    the body.

    I am convinced that most of the reasons people want to change sex is not
    that they want to have babies (it's very largely males wanting to be
    females); there seems to be very little research into that area - but
    because of the different ways our societies treat the two sexes. Some
    people do not want to be macho; the chance of changing how society views
    the gender roles is so minimal that pretending to want to change is the
    only way they see of being _treated_ differently.


    Diversity is not a strength.

    We'll just have to disagree on that one.


    There is no evidence of a climate crisis, none at all, and I've
    studied it a lot since I retired and I've read a lot of good books.

    Me too.

    Yes, CO2 may have a very small and diminishing effect but it's
    trivial.

    I'm sure there is more to it than just that, yes. (And the misuse by
    those who don't know about it of the word "carbon" has been irritating
    me for a decade or two.)

    TSI, Clouds and atmospheric pressure decide temperature not a trace
    gas and clouds or lack there of explains the warming since 1976 and
    the cooling 1937 to 1976. Terrible weather stations in urban heat
    islands which are really bad complete the picture.

    I think we've discussed that before. Sure, put a weather station in an
    urban hotspot and it will report hotter - but, it always did; it's the
    _change_ that matters.>
    etc. etc.

    You are entitled to your own opinions.

    Thanks. There are many officials who would disagree with that.

    As I've said before, my view is that the BBC is more critical of
    the government that's currently in power

    Do they criticize them for refusing to do anything effectual about
    the boat crisis? Do they state that you cannot have a country without

    They - along with the rest of the media - have been criticising the ineffectiveness of actions against the boats for years, if not decades;
    neither the present lot nor the previous lot have done much in that
    respect. (And all media over-concentrate on it, because it's visible;
    the actual _numbers_, as a proportion of imm/emigration as a whole, are
    rarely mentioned. But all media are afraid of ratios; they think the
    population won't understand them. They may be right, but they don't even
    try nearly enough.)

    []

    foreigners. We now borrow around -u18B a month and -u12B of that is to
    pay the interest on the loan we already have. This is insane !!!

    It is certainly worrying. And has been worsening for quite a while.

    []

    To my shame I did vote for Blair. It was he that started Britain's destruction.

    I didn't. I certainly didn't like "new labour". I disagree with the
    outlook of "old" labour too, but respect them.>
    This government wants to allow abortion right up to birth and then

    Abortion is very much a last resort, whatever age. However, I don't
    think we as men have much right to force our views. On this subject, I
    feel there needs to be far more research into artificial wombs.

    []

    Lying is no longer the last option, it's now the default option for
    this government. Andrew Neil says much the same thing.

    And the last one, at least towards the end.

    []

    My wife and I enjoyed Dr. who since it started, yes it was often
    rubbish but it was enjoyable rubbish. Then it started the social
    engineering, normalising the abnormal, woke preaching which finished
    it.

    Let me guess, you didn't like the female doctor. (I think Joanna Lumley
    - who was the first, but only for a minute or two for Children in Need -
    would have been a fun one!)


    The BBC is completely captured by twisted ideology it can't be saved.

    You can think that.


    Bob.

    I think we should probably take this discussion out of UTB - it's got
    little to do with the T or the B, and has drifted away from even the BBC
    in most part. I may not continue here. (I may not continue anywhere -
    not that I'm conceding defeat, just that I think we're too far apart in
    views for constructive discussion to continue. We even agree on some
    things!)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
    - Oscar Wilde
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 20:06:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 03/12/2025 09:19, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    A great many television services are already funded by various
    combinations of subscriptions and advertising, and they seem to be
    doing very nicely thank you. Choosing to pay for what you want and not
    being threatened with legal action if you don't want it seems to be a reasonably popular arrangement.



    But what range of programming do they have.

    Netflix was added to my broadband subscription for little extra so I did
    not cancel but not found anything worth watching there.

    When I speak to friends abroad they are envious of what we have
    available in the UK.


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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 20:37:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    No-one has ever changed sex because it is burnt into every cell in
    the body.

    It can differ from cell to cell [look up 'chimera']. 'Sex' is very far
    from simple, it is made up of many different components and there are
    numerous variations. "Changing sex' is nonsense because it relies on
    the concept of there being only two sexes, which is also nonsense.

    Most BBC journalists, most politicians and most lawyers have a concept
    of biology which doesn't go beyond the fallacies they were taught at
    infant school. Anyone who tells you sex is simple and binary is
    actually telling you just how ignorant they really are.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 21:44:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <10gq3ui$2jllr$10@dont-email.me>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/12/3 18:38:50, Bob Latham wrote:

    I happen to believe there is a climate problem. Whether mankind is responsible is arguable; on balance, I believe the evidence in that
    direction is strong, but not 100% proven (as nothing can ever be,
    of course).

    Well documented evidence of the planet being much, much warmer than
    now from things like tress stumps being found way too far north to
    grow today and of course ice records. Not least growing grapes and
    making wine in Scotland.

    We know the temperature goes up and down perfectly naturally. Man did
    not do that.

    Given that, I believe it is _prudent_ to take certain
    actions, where it is practical/economic to do so.

    There is nothing we can do except develop better energy sources. By
    better I men cheaper, more reliable etc.

    There's nothing else we can do because CO2 is not the climate control
    knob and even if it were we don't control it, nor can we make even a
    slight dent in it. All we can do is export our industry abroad to
    countries that have real problems not made up ones and don't give a
    damn about carbon.

    Even if it wasn't, I think any source of "free" energy, such as
    wind farms, it is daft to not use, in the interests of prolonging
    our oil stocks if nothing else.

    In that simple idea who could disagree, I don't but in reality the
    damage to landscape caused by these horrific windmills and to
    wildlife by these bird choppers, very bad. And of course it is not
    FREE or anywhere near FREE it is vastly expensive as evidenced by our
    worst in the world electricity prices.

    (As for the silly argument sometimes given that
    the wind doesn't always blow - that's like saying there is a man in
    town giving away money; because he's not there every day, I'm not
    going to take _any_ of the money. No wind advocate says we should
    _rely_ on it.)

    But the money given to you in the town can be saved. Saving
    electricity is extremely difficult if not totally impractical.

    So what do you do when the wind doesn't blow and it's at night?

    You fire up a more conventional generator which means you have to pay
    for and maintain and balance two systems. It can never be cheaper.

    As for "women should have prostate checks", that sounds like a
    Daily Mail invention; obviously, only those _with_ a prostate
    should have it checked, and I've not heard any suggestion to the
    contrary.

    NHS. They may have said women with a prostate I'm unsure but as I
    don't wish to be arrested I'm sure you can guess my thoughts.

    BTW, I have nothing against men who wish to live a life as close to
    female as possible, like all other groups, provided you don't
    compromise other people's lives, good luck to them.

    But if I'm asked a reality question...

    Would you keep the royals?

    Good question.

    The late queen unquestionably yes. Princess Anne, oh yes. Maybe

    Definitely with you on those two. But You accept them being funded
    out of taxation? Like the BBC might be? (I do - both.)

    It depends on their behaviour, the more some of the talk politics the
    more I dislike them. Like all privileged people they are divorced
    from reality.


    princess Kate she seems solid enough but the rest - oh dear me.

    :-)


    That's not to say I wish any harm on them and I do hope the King
    recovers.

    Agreed.

    Everyone I can think of in my life except one, is saying the same

    We tend to mix with those of like mind, so I'm not surprised.

    Could be but works christmas reunions, extended family and neighbours
    is not really a chosen bunch.

    Has been said before of course.

    I honestly don't recall that.

    We all have different degrees to which we surrender our rights to
    "the collective", "society", etcetera. There are certainly elements
    who want to control us - as much on the right as the left, too. the
    desire to impose tends to be stronger towards the extreme - both
    extremes.

    Nooo! Which sides always want freedoms shut down, particularly speech

    The right are based on freedoms of the individual, the left are based
    on the collective control, basic stuff.

    Who made Wales 20mph and again in Wales who stopped children's books
    and women's toiletries from being sold during covid? None essential
    apparently. The left are control freaks.

    Identity cards are not for a good purpose, they are to control
    people, ordinary people, nothing to do with migrants.

    Well, I'm with you that they won't do what's claimed. And I do agree
    that there are some (on both extremes) who want them for control
    reasons, though they won't admit it.

    I've not seen one person on the right say they want them, not one.

    I am convinced that most of the reasons people want to change sex
    is not that they want to have babies (it's very largely males
    wanting to be females)

    Yes of course so far.

    ; there seems to be very little research into
    that area - but because of the different ways our societies treat
    the two sexes. Some people do not want to be macho; the chance of
    changing how society views the gender roles is so minimal that
    pretending to want to change is the only way they see of being
    _treated_ differently.

    I well accept that many men are not and don't want to be macho,
    depending on exactly what you mean I might be one of them. I'm no
    rugby playing alpha male myself. I accept there is a spectrum of how
    people's personalities sit on the macho scale.

    But no matter how not macho XY chromosomes ....


    Diversity is not a strength.

    We'll just have to disagree on that one.

    Unity was and would be our strength, I cannot even imagine how
    diversity helps the nation succeed any better than if there was no
    diversity. I'm not saying us whites are better, the same would be
    true anywhere regardless of race and culture. A mixed bunch will be
    less inclined to have a common goal.

    There is no evidence of a climate crisis, none at all, and I've
    studied it a lot since I retired and I've read a lot of good
    books.

    Me too.

    Yes, CO2 may have a very small and diminishing effect but it's
    trivial.

    I'm sure there is more to it than just that, yes. (And the misuse
    by those who don't know about it of the word "carbon" has been
    irritating me for a decade or two.)




    TSI, Clouds and atmospheric pressure decide temperature not a
    trace gas and clouds or lack there of explains the warming since
    1976 and the cooling 1937 to 1976. Terrible weather stations in
    urban heat islands which are really bad complete the picture.

    I think we've discussed that before. Sure, put a weather station in
    an urban hotspot and it will report hotter - but, it always did;
    it's the _change_ that matters.

    Yes, but the most common cause of that change is that these stations
    were setup just outside towns so that they could be visited easily
    every day but towns expand - a lot. There is a great video mad by a
    guy who been using FOI requests to get the sp on all our weather
    stations. It's shocking, so bad. Some don't even exist and haven't
    for a decade but results still come in, estimated by computer.

    May I advise you to look at youtube and find the video collection
    from Tom Nelson. This is a massive collection of scientists and
    engineers, there are many very clever people on there including the
    guy documenting how bad all of our weather stations are. I believe
    they've forced the mET office to close some and delete their records.

    Also Kathryn Porter is on there, what she doesn't know about energy
    isn't worth knowing she did a very scary video on the Triggernometry
    channel which everyone in the country should watch, very scary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA

    She thinks we'll be lucky if the lights don't go out at some time
    over the winter. Nearly did last January. She tells the full tale.
    You'll know in a few minutes that she knows her stuff. Sorry about
    the adds though but press on. Video of the year. Honestly !!!

    I dare you to watch it.


    That's not to say that the temperatures are not changing, they are
    but that is down as I said to TSI and clouds.

    Do they criticize them for refusing to do anything effectual about
    the boat crisis? Do they state that you cannot have a country without

    They - along with the rest of the media - have been criticising the ineffectiveness of actions against the boats for years, if not
    decades; neither the present lot nor the previous lot have done
    much in that respect. (And all media over-concentrate on it,
    because it's visible; the actual _numbers_, as a proportion of
    imm/emigration as a whole, are rarely mentioned. But all media are
    afraid of ratios; they think the population won't understand them.
    They may be right, but they don't even try nearly enough.)

    Most of the problem with immigration is legal stuff not the boats.
    but because most of parliament is captured they will do nothing about
    it.

    foreigners. We now borrow around u18B a month and u12B of that is
    to pay the interest on the loan we already have. This is insane
    !!!

    It is certainly worrying. And has been worsening for quite a while.


    Abortion is very much a last resort, whatever age. However, I don't
    think we as men have much right to force our views. On this
    subject, I feel there needs to be far more research into artificial
    wombs.

    Lets call it what it is, abortion that close to birth is murder pure
    and simple. There are no excuses for murder and even men should be
    stopping it.

    If a termination is needed is should be done many months before that
    stage.

    Lying is no longer the last option, it's now the default option
    for this government. Andrew Neil says much the same thing.

    And the last one, at least towards the end.

    Indeed the tories did lie a lot and were incompetent which is why the electorate binned them.

    My wife and I enjoyed Dr. who since it started, yes it was often
    rubbish but it was enjoyable rubbish. Then it started the social engineering, normalising the abnormal, woke preaching which
    finished it.

    Let me guess, you didn't like the female doctor.

    Mate I love women, I wouldn't want any woman to not succeed every bit
    as much as men. But that step was pushing the envelope into gender
    and then we had race, it was engineering and manipulation.

    The BBC is completely captured by twisted ideology it can't be
    saved.

    You can think that.

    I do, it lives in a fantasy that doesn't exist.

    I think we should probably take this discussion out of UTB - it's
    got little to do with the T or the B, and has drifted away from
    even the BBC in most part. I may not continue here. (I may not
    continue anywhere - not that I'm conceding defeat, just that I
    think we're too far apart in views for constructive discussion to
    continue. We even agree on some things!)

    You argue with politeness and civility, I thank you for that, have a
    good christmas.

    Bob.

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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 22:26:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    [...]
    I am convinced that most of the reasons people want to change sex is not
    that they want to have babies (it's very largely males wanting to be females);

    Actuually it's about 50/50 but the media and the bigots make a lot more
    noise about male-to-female than they do about female-to-male.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Wed Dec 3 23:03:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 03/12/2025 21:44, Bob Latham wrote:
    Well documented evidence of the planet being much, much warmer than
    now from things like tress stumps being found way too far north to
    grow today and of course ice records. Not least growing grapes and
    making wine in Scotland.



    But they did not have any cars then so it cannot be true. :-(
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  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 00:19:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    Also Kathryn Porter is on there, what she doesn't know about energy
    isn't worth knowing she did a very scary video on the Triggernometry
    channel which everyone in the country should watch, very scary.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA>

    She thinks we'll be lucky if the lights don't go out at some time
    over the winter. Nearly did last January. She tells the full tale.
    You'll know in a few minutes that she knows her stuff. Sorry about
    the adds though but press on. Video of the year. Honestly !!!

    I dare you to watch it.
    [...]

    I've just watched it, those are compelling arguments and I agree
    with most of the conclusions. It's definitely well worth our time
    to watch it.
    --
    ^-^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.

    Am I a surprised wading bird!

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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 10:48:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 22:26:50 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    [...]
    I am convinced that most of the reasons people want to change sex is not
    that they want to have babies (it's very largely males wanting to be
    females);

    Actuually it's about 50/50 but the media and the bigots make a lot more
    noise about male-to-female than they do about female-to-male.

    This is not surprising when you consider thsat the male to female ones
    can be potentially more dangerous, as they appear to include some with
    less than bona fide reasons for wanting to masquerade as women. I
    expect it's another instance of a few giving everyone else a bad name,
    but it has practical consequences so it has to be taken seriously.

    For example, there have been cases in the news of men who claim to be
    women being sent to women's prisons and raping some of the other
    inmates, and it's difficult to imagine anything exactly equivalent
    with the sexes reversed.

    I assume that most of those who are not happy with what biology gave
    them would just like to get on with their lives in their chosen manner
    like everybody else (and good luck to them IMHO) and it's only a very
    few of those very few who want to make trouble, but in reality the
    strengths and vulnerabilities of the two sexes are not equal, and
    society has always had to deal with this.

    Rod.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 11:02:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 11:50:46 +0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
    wrote:

    A great many television services are already funded by various
    combinations of subscriptions and advertising, and they seem to be
    doing very nicely thank you. Choosing to pay for what you want and not
    being threatened with legal action if you don't want it seems to be a
    reasonably popular arrangement.

    Advertisements are only acceptable if they can be skipped (*not* ff) or >easily edited out. Online access to TV would probably not allow this.

    It already does allow it. I use it every day. The catchup services of
    the UK terrestrial broadcasters can be watched with adverts for
    nothing, or without adverts for a small subscription. You can make
    your own choice about what you want to pay for, just the same as you
    make your own choice about what to buy when you walk into a shop.

    This is a system which has already been in use quite successfully for
    some time. There's no practical reason why the BBC couldn't do it too.

    Rod.
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  • From Roderick Stewart@rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 11:14:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 20:06:28 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 03/12/2025 09:19, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    A great many television services are already funded by various
    combinations of subscriptions and advertising, and they seem to be
    doing very nicely thank you. Choosing to pay for what you want and not
    being threatened with legal action if you don't want it seems to be a
    reasonably popular arrangement.



    But what range of programming do they have.

    Netflix was added to my broadband subscription for little extra so I did
    not cancel but not found anything worth watching there.

    When I speak to friends abroad they are envious of what we have
    available in the UK.


    There's more online than just Netflix (or Amazon, Disney, Apple, etc
    etc) All the existing terrestrial UK broadcasters are there too. As
    well as showing their broadcast streams "live" (i.e. concurrently with
    the actual broadcasts) they also offer a vast catalogue of past
    programmes on their "catchup" services where you can watch them any
    time you like.

    Some programmes are available online immediately or very shortly after
    thay've been broadcast, and sometimes a whole series will be put
    online after the broadcast of only the first episode.

    So the simple answer is that online you have the same range of
    programming that you've always had, plus a great deal more.

    Rod.
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 11:33:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 22:26:50 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    [...]
    I am convinced that most of the reasons people want to change sex is not >> that they want to have babies (it's very largely males wanting to be
    females);

    Actuually it's about 50/50 but the media and the bigots make a lot more >noise about male-to-female than they do about female-to-male.

    This is not surprising when you consider thsat the male to female ones
    can be potentially more dangerous, as they appear to include some with
    less than bona fide reasons for wanting to masquerade as women. I
    expect it's another instance of a few giving everyone else a bad name,
    but it has practical consequences so it has to be taken seriously.

    Why would a potential rapist go to the trouble of masquerading as a
    transwoman in order to prey on women when they can do that anyway? All
    but one of the examples I can think of have been cis-gender rapists who
    have tried to claim they were transgender after the event, probably in
    the hope that this would somehow reduce their sentence or admit them to
    a women's prison. The folly of this ploy is apparent when you think
    about what women prisoners en-masse could do to a rapist imprisoned with
    them.

    I believe one or two rapists have been diagnosed as transgender after
    being committed to prison, but they considered themselves cisgenderuntil
    they had been in prison for a while.

    The one contrary excample (which is a correction to my earlier post
    where I wrongly said there were none) is a transwoman who was
    transgender at the time of committing a rape. She was sent to a mens'
    prison and committed suicide in September.


    For example, there have been cases in the news of men who claim to be
    women being sent to women's prisons and raping some of the other
    inmates, and it's difficult to imagine anything exactly equivalent
    with the sexes reversed.

    See above. There are other eaxamples of transwomen being raped in mens' prisons.


    I assume that most of those who are not happy with what biology gave
    them would just like to get on with their lives in their chosen manner
    like everybody else

    That's the general idea.

    We don't want discrimination either for us or against us. "Focussed
    positive discrimination" is just widespread negative discrimination
    under another name and eventually leads to resentment.


    ... it's only a very
    few of those very few who want to make trouble, but in reality the
    strengths and vulnerabilities of the two sexes are not equal, and
    society has always had to deal with this.

    They are overlapping bell curves in most cases. If you are looking at stereotypes, I know women who could make mincemeat of most men and men
    who could nag the hind leg off a donkey.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 11:34:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <1rms8tv.1hgvosekt3ji8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    No-one has ever changed sex because it is burnt into every cell in
    the body.

    It can differ from cell to cell [look up 'chimera']. 'Sex' is very
    far from simple, it is made up of many different components and
    there are numerous variations. "Changing sex' is nonsense because
    it relies on the concept of there being only two sexes, which is
    also nonsense.

    Most BBC journalists, most politicians and most lawyers have a
    concept of biology which doesn't go beyond the fallacies they were
    taught at infant school. Anyone who tells you sex is simple and
    binary is actually telling you just how ignorant they really are.

    It is very hard to talk about this subject without being offensive
    which honestly I have no desire to be.

    I am aware that there are people in the world who's genetics are not
    the norm expected. But I rather suspect that these people are a very
    small minority and are not particularly linked with the trans
    community.

    I'm sure for the vast majority, the "infant school" understanding is
    correct.

    I'm aware that there has always, certainly in my lifetime, been a
    tiny number of trans people around. That number is growing. Some no
    doubt feel less suppressed by society and therefore surface whereas
    beforehand they wouldn't have.

    It can't be denied though that clustering exists. Places and
    environments where many more trans are around than expected.
    Hollywood is the obvious example where a trans child is a must have
    accessory. One actress was pleased to be able to tell us that she had
    two children both with gender issues but different issues. It was
    pointed out that the chances of this happening were millions to one
    against.

    Some kids are obviously being influenced by adults and this is bad. I
    was listening only this week to the account of a poor American
    teenager gave of what happened to her. She had had her breasts
    removed and was now sterile with a low pitch voice and had what she
    described as a masculine jaw line. She felt her life had been
    destroyed by well meaning parents and doctors. The doctors told her
    parents - "Would you rather have a trans boy or a dead daughter".

    You shouldn't mess with kid's heads and certainly not their biology.
    What they decide for themselves at 18 is up to them but leave the
    kids alone. No indoctrination.

    None of this means I have any ill will to trans people, I don't. My
    only concerns are, leave kids alone and biological women need their
    own private safe spaces and sports. After that good luck to them all.

    Bob.

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  • From JMB99@mb@nospam.net to uk.tech.broadcast on Thu Dec 4 19:54:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    There are also problems with militants brainwashing young children and
    even feeding them with dangerous drugs.





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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to uk.tech.broadcast on Fri Dec 5 09:08:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are also problems with militants brainwashing young children and
    even feeding them with dangerous drugs.

    I'm sure there are, but that is nothing to do with transgender people.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Um9nZXIgV2lsa2luc29u?=@RogerPWilkinson@proton.me to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 8 14:21:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Mon Dec 1 16:13:33 2025 JMB99 wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 10:10, Scott wrote:
    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception
    of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee




    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust despite
    the campaign against them.
    That's a frighteningly low bar - worthy of an ethnic limbo dancer. There isn't a single UK broadcaster that isn't captured by Gramsci's "long march throgh the institutions"
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 8 15:00:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On 2025/12/8 14:21:4, Roger Wilkinson wrote:
    On Mon Dec 1 16:13:33 2025 JMB99 wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 10:10, Scott wrote:
    Would there be a public appetite to block the sale of ITV and offer
    Comcast the BBC instead given lack of trust in the BBC, the perception
    of profligacy and the opportunity to abolish the licence fee




    I think the BBC is still ahead of other broadcasters on trust despite
    the campaign against them.

    So do I.


    That's a frighteningly low bar - worthy of an ethnic limbo dancer. There isn't a single UK broadcaster that isn't captured by Gramsci's "long march throgh the institutions"

    OK, but it's still there.

    This debate has reminded me of a bit of doggerel from many decades ago -
    I forget its origin:


    One cannot hope to bribe or twist
    - thank god! - the British journalist.
    But when one sees what he will do
    UNbribed, there's no occasion to.


    (Sadly the first two lines probably aren't true now - and may never have
    been.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst,
    prudential magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13.
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  • From Bob Latham@bob@sick-of-spam.invalid to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 8 20:13:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <5c856177a8bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <10gnpff$2jll1$4@dont-email.me>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    Personally, I am very much pro-BBC, with all its faults. I am
    aware, however, that this is a declining opinion, especially
    among the young. I think it is something - like the NHS - that is
    part of the fabric of the nation; but, I am aware that increasing
    numbers think otherwise.

    I'll make a prediction, if the polls continue to predict a Reform
    government, the BBC will turn everything they have against Farage
    and co., no hint of truth will remain. As a teenager he ate live
    animals and was for ever doing nazi salutes, don't worry, the BBC
    can always find activists to make these claims. Master mind
    champion and useful idiot Lammy has already claimed he hung around
    with the Hitler youth, 19 years before he was born.

    Prophetic or what ?

    But it's not just the BBC, every institution of state is now prepared
    to sink to the gutter to get him. The left have a delusion that they
    are morally superior and that position enables them to justify
    appalling actions for the 'common good'. Nothing is beneath them as
    we've seen a taste of in just the last few days.

    I suppose you know it has been reported that the guy making the
    claims from 50 years ago, works for the BBC, well I'm shocked - not.

    The only words I know I spoke in 1975 were "I do".


    The lefty mob are dangerous.

    Bob.

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  • From tony sayer@tony@bancom.co.uk to uk.tech.broadcast on Mon Dec 8 20:54:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    In article <1rmsje9.gr2uejefa50kN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> scribeth thus
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    Also Kathryn Porter is on there, what she doesn't know about energy
    isn't worth knowing she did a very scary video on the Triggernometry
    channel which everyone in the country should watch, very scary.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCiEHGVMwA>

    She thinks we'll be lucky if the lights don't go out at some time
    over the winter. Nearly did last January. She tells the full tale.
    You'll know in a few minutes that she knows her stuff. Sorry about
    the adds though but press on. Video of the year. Honestly !!!

    I dare you to watch it.
    [...]

    I've just watched it, those are compelling arguments and I agree
    with most of the conclusions. It's definitely well worth our time
    to watch it.


    Isn't it, just imagine her replacing that grade A twat Milliband!.

    She puts out more sense in one sentence that he ever could in his
    life!..
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.


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  • From Julian Macassey@julian@n6are.com to uk.tech.broadcast on Sun Jan 4 03:57:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.tech.broadcast

    On Wed, 03 Dec 2025 18:38:50 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham <bob@coward> wrote:

    A socialist hellscape awaits, It's started already.

    That will be a welcome change.
    --
    The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with faith to
    fight for it. - Aneurin Bevan
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