• TMS Daily Quiz - 3 England batsmen with 1000 runs at over 50

    From David North@nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Thu Jul 10 19:03:51 2025
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    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time an England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50, which
    will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0ln5rdn

    It certainly happened in Wally Hammond's penultimate Test at Adelaide in 1946/47, which he, Hutton and Hardstaff all finished with averages over
    50. There might have been 4 if Hammond hadn't declared at 340/8 in the
    second innings when Compton reached his century, but was on 980 runs in
    total.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1946-47-61731/australia-vs-england-4th-test-62668/full-scorecard

    Compton reached 1000 in the final Test at Sydney, but Hammond and
    Hardstaff didn't play in that one, and Hardstaff and Hutton missed
    Hammond's final Test at Christchurch. Compton didn't play in Hardstaff's
    next two Tests in WI in early 1948, after which Hardstaff's average had dropped permanently below 50.

    Any advance on that?
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    David North

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  • From John Hall@john_nospam@jhall.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Thu Jul 10 19:44:39 2025
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    In message <mdadk8F5cn7U1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time an >England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50, which
    will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0ln5rdn

    It certainly happened in Wally Hammond's penultimate Test at Adelaide
    in 1946/47, which he, Hutton and Hardstaff all finished with averages
    over 50. There might have been 4 if Hammond hadn't declared at 340/8 in
    the second innings when Compton reached his century, but was on 980
    runs in total.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1946-47-61 >731/australia-vs-england-4th-test-62668/full-scorecard

    Compton reached 1000 in the final Test at Sydney, but Hammond and
    Hardstaff didn't play in that one, and Hardstaff and Hutton missed
    Hammond's final Test at Christchurch. Compton didn't play in
    Hardstaff's next two Tests in WI in early 1948, after which Hardstaff's >average had dropped permanently below 50.

    Any advance on that?


    I can think off occasions when England had a number of batsmen in the
    forties but three or more averaging over 50 with 1,000 runs or more is
    setting the bar very high. Going further back than your instance, I
    think it would have happened in 1930 with Hobbs, Sutcliffe and Hammond.
    --
    John Hall
    "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
    will hardly mind anything else."
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  • From David North@nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Thu Jul 10 23:55:08 2025
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    On 10/07/2025 19:44, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdadk8F5cn7U1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time
    an England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50,
    which will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0ln5rdn

    It certainly happened in Wally Hammond's penultimate Test at Adelaide
    in 1946/47, which he, Hutton and Hardstaff all finished with averages
    over 50. There might have been 4 if Hammond hadn't declared at 340/8
    in the second innings when Compton reached his century, but was on 980
    runs in total.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1946-47-61
    731/australia-vs-england-4th-test-62668/full-scorecard

    Compton reached 1000 in the final Test at Sydney, but Hammond and
    Hardstaff didn't play in that one, and Hardstaff and Hutton missed
    Hammond's final Test at Christchurch. Compton didn't play in
    Hardstaff's next two Tests in WI in early 1948, after which
    Hardstaff's average had dropped permanently below 50.

    Any advance on that?


    I can think off occasions when England had a number of batsmen in the forties but three or more averaging over 50 with 1,000 runs or more is setting the bar very high. Going further back than your instance, I
    think it would have happened in 1930 with Hobbs, Sutcliffe and Hammond.

    Yes, and indeed in the 1st Test that season, there were four with
    Hendren as well.

    There was a near miss at Brisbane in 1962/63. Dexter and Barrington both averaged over 50, while Pullar was 13 runs short of averaging 50 just
    before he was out in the first innings, and 7 runs short in the second.
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    David North
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  • From John Hall@john_nospam@jhall.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Fri Jul 11 09:54:52 2025
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    In message <mdaumdF80eiU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    On 10/07/2025 19:44, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdadk8F5cn7U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
    <nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time
    an England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50, >>>which will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0ln5rdn

    It certainly happened in Wally Hammond's penultimate Test at
    Adelaide in 1946/47, which he, Hutton and Hardstaff all finished with >>>averages over 50. There might have been 4 if Hammond hadn't declared
    at 340/8 in the second innings when Compton reached his century, but >>>was on 980 runs in total.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1946-47-61 >>> 731/australia-vs-england-4th-test-62668/full-scorecard

    Compton reached 1000 in the final Test at Sydney, but Hammond and >>>Hardstaff didn't play in that one, and Hardstaff and Hutton missed >>>Hammond's final Test at Christchurch. Compton didn't play in
    Hardstaff's next two Tests in WI in early 1948, after which
    Hardstaff's average had dropped permanently below 50.

    Any advance on that?

    I can think off occasions when England had a number of batsmen in
    the forties but three or more averaging over 50 with 1,000 runs or
    more is setting the bar very high. Going further back than your
    instance, I think it would have happened in 1930 with Hobbs,
    Sutcliffe and Hammond.

    Yes, and indeed in the 1st Test that season, there were four with
    Hendren as well.

    There was a near miss at Brisbane in 1962/63. Dexter and Barrington
    both averaged over 50, while Pullar was 13 runs short of averaging 50
    just before he was out in the first innings, and 7 runs short in the
    second.


    Even though that's within my cricket-following lifetime, I'd not
    appreciated that Pullar's early Test career was quite that successful.
    It makes it surprising that within a year or two he'd been discarded. I supposed he'd benefited from batting against a very weak Pakistan attack
    the previous summer.
    --
    John Hall
    "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
    will hardly mind anything else."
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  • From David North@nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Fri Jul 11 11:28:57 2025
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    On 11/07/2025 09:54, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdaumdF80eiU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane- farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    On 10/07/2025 19:44, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdadk8F5cn7U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
    <nospam@lane--a farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time
    an England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50,
    which will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0ln5rdn

    It certainly happened in Wally Hammond's penultimate Test at
    Adelaide in 1946/47, which he, Hutton and Hardstaff all finished
    with averages-a over 50. There might have been 4 if Hammond hadn't
    declared at 340/8-a in the second innings when Compton reached his
    century, but was on 980-a runs in total.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-
    australia-1946-47-61
    731/australia-vs-england-4th-test-62668/full-scorecard

    Zaltzman has confirmed that that was the last instance.

    Compton reached 1000 in the final Test at Sydney, but Hammond and
    Hardstaff didn't play in that one, and Hardstaff and Hutton missed
    Hammond's final Test at Christchurch. Compton didn't play in
    Hardstaff's next two Tests in WI in early 1948, after which
    Hardstaff's average had dropped permanently below 50.

    Any advance on that?

    -aI can think off occasions when England had a number of batsmen in
    the forties but three or more averaging over 50 with 1,000 runs or
    more is setting the bar very high. Going further back than your
    instance, I-a think it would have happened in 1930 with Hobbs,
    Sutcliffe and Hammond.

    Yes, and indeed in the 1st Test that season, there were four with
    Hendren as well.

    There was a near miss at Brisbane in 1962/63. Dexter and Barrington
    both averaged over 50, while Pullar was 13 runs short of averaging 50
    just before he was out in the first innings, and 7 runs short in the
    second.


    Even though that's within my cricket-following lifetime, I'd not
    appreciated that Pullar's early Test career was quite that successful.
    It makes it surprising that within a year or two he'd been discarded.

    He damaged ligaments in his leg on that Ashes tour - in the match v
    Victoria following the 4th Test, judging by the fact that he didn't bat
    in the 2nd innings, when MCC declared 5 down - and never played for
    England again.

    I
    supposed he'd benefited from batting against a very weak Pakistan attack
    the previous summer.

    Not 1962, when he only had two innings against them, and made 22 and 5. However, he did average 58.25 in Pakistan and 84.25 in India in 1961/62,
    and 60.5 v India in 1959, plus 58.6 v SA in 1960.
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    David North
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  • From miked@mike@library.net to uk.sport.cricket on Tue Jul 15 01:16:34 2025
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    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:28:57 +0000, David North wrote:

    On 11/07/2025 09:54, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdaumdF80eiU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane-
    farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    On 10/07/2025 19:44, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdadk8F5cn7U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
    <nospam@lane--a farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time >>>>> an England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50, >>>>> which will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    now the match is over, do england still have 3 batters av 50 in the same
    side? or is just Brook?

    mike
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  • From David North@nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk to uk.sport.cricket on Tue Jul 15 05:42:16 2025
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    On 15/07/2025 02:16, miked wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:28:57 +0000, David North wrote:

    On 11/07/2025 09:54, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdaumdF80eiU1@mid.individual.net>, David North <nospam@lane- >>> farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    On 10/07/2025 19:44, John Hall wrote:
    In message <mdadk8F5cn7U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
    <nospam@lane--a farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
    In today's TMS Daily Quiz, Andy Zaltzman asks when was the last time >>>>>> an England Test team had 3 batsmen with 1000 runs averaging over 50, >>>>>> which will probably happen when Smith scores 3 more runs.

    now the match is over, do england still have 3 batters av 50 in the same side? or is just Brook?

    Still 3 - Brook 57.67, Smith 55.57, Root 50.80

    Smith will average over 50 for at least 2 more innings, Root 4 and Brook 7.
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    David North
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