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    From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Tue Nov 4 15:53:19 2025
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    Interesting! Apparently the new pope has officially confirmed that Mary,
    the mother Jesus, played no part in saving the world. He has called on Catholics to stop using the title "Co-redemtrix", on the basis that
    Jesus did everything on the cross and Mary had no part in that.

    I hope he will go on to reject the title "Mediatrix" whic is also
    bestowed on Mary and which I believe is similarly inappropriate, for 1
    Timothy 2:5-astates: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God
    and men, the man Christ Jesus."

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.religion.christian on Thu Nov 6 22:06:03 2025
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    On 04/11/2025 15:53, Kendall K. Down wrote:
    Interesting! Apparently the new pope has officially confirmed that Mary,
    the mother Jesus, played no part in saving the world. He has called on Catholics to stop using the title "Co-redemtrix", on the basis that
    Jesus did everything on the cross and Mary had no part in that.

    I hope he will go on to reject the title "Mediatrix" whic is also
    bestowed on Mary and which I believe is similarly inappropriate, for 1 Timothy 2:5-astates: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God
    and men, the man Christ Jesus."

    I was reading about this the other day and they do apear to have
    slightly shifted position on that

    "In addition to rCLCo-Redemptrix,rCY the document also addressed at length
    the Marian title rCLMediatrixrCY or rCLMediatrix of All Graces,rCY analyzing related Church teaching on MaryrCOs role as intercessor.

    The DDF concluded that rCLsome titles, such as rCyMediatrix of All Graces,rCO have limits that do not favor a correct understanding of MaryrCOs unique place.rCY

    The dicastery encouraged the use of other expressions for Mary,
    specifically titles referring to her motherhood, including rCLMother of
    GodrCY and rCLMother of the Faithful People of God.rCY"

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/267563/vatican-nixes-use-of-co-redemptrix-as-title-for-mary

    However I don't like the title Mother of God. She gave birth to the
    human Jesus, and is his Mother, which in my opinion is as far as it goes.

    That she is blessed amongst Christians goes without saying, as per
    Elizabeth in Luke 1:39-45



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  • From Kendall K. Down@kendallkdown@googlemail.com to uk.religion.christian on Fri Nov 7 04:51:18 2025
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    On 06/11/2025 22:06, John wrote:

    However I don't like the title Mother of God.-a She gave birth to the
    human Jesus, and is his Mother, which in my opinion is as far as it goes.

    The point of the Theotokos title is the doctrine that the human and
    divine nature of Christ are inextricably linked. Jesus is God-man and
    even in the womb or at birth, He still remained fully divine.

    I don't have a problem with the idea, except to say that it is slightly presumptuous for us humans to pontificate on such matters. How on earth
    can we know the exact mechanics of the incarnation? All we can know with certainty is what God has revealed in the Scriptures - and the Bible is
    silent on such arcana.

    God bless,
    Kendall K. Down
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