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I don't know whether any of you use BibleGateway.com? I do from time-to- time. Apparently it is off-line in Britain and Europe for "technical reasons", which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibleGateway says that
they are trying to resolve. However they obviously do not expect a
speedy resolution because they are refunding anyone with paid
subscription and have warned that any saved material - bookmarks or
personal study notes - will be deleted.
The good news is that the site can still be accessed via a VPN.
Some have suggested that it is due to censorship from Ofcom or because
of the new online protection legislation - you have to sign in because
you might be subject to "hate speech" (ie. the Bible) on the website. I don't know whether that is so or not, but nothing would surprise me in Starmer's Britain.
I don't know whether any of you use BibleGateway.com? I do from >time-to-time. Apparently it is off-line in Britain and Europe for
"technical reasons", which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibleGateway
says that they are trying to resolve. However they obviously do not
expect a speedy resolution because they are refunding anyone with paid >subscription and have warned that any saved material - bookmarks or
personal study notes - will be deleted.
The good news is that the site can still be accessed via a VPN.
Some have suggested that it is due to censorship from Ofcom or because
of the new online protection legislation - you have to sign in because
you might be subject to "hate speech" (ie. the Bible) on the website. I >don't know whether that is so or not, but nothing would surprise me in >Starmer's Britain.
It can't be due to UK legislation if it's also offline in other European countries. That much is obvious with even a brief moment's thought. And it's not offline in every EU country, either.
May I suggest if you still want to access Bible Gateway you use Opera.
It has a built in vpn that you just click on to bypass any website that
has restricted access due to the online safety act.
Alternatively use the one I use, https://biblehub.com/-a I find it miles better than Bible Gateway.
It's down to individual sites whether they want to restrict access or
not, although if they don't and Ofcom disagrees, then they're liable to hefty fines.-a Anything blatantly in danger of being potentially harmful
to children, such as porn sites or suicide sites etc, will be restricted
by the site owners if they have half a brain, but I wouldn't have
thought sites such as Bible Gateway would have anything to worry about.
Incidentally the Online Safety Act is a Conservative Act, which theyI'm not sure whether that shows that the Conservatives have a bit more
didn't implement whilst in power.
Alternatively use the one I use, https://biblehub.com/-a I find it miles better than Bible Gateway.
On 13/09/2025 15:58, John wrote:
Alternatively use the one I use, https://biblehub.com/-a I find it
miles better than Bible Gateway.
I've just visited it and it doesn't appear to have the many different languages that BibleGateway had, nor even as many English versions. As
for navigation, my impression is that the site is a counter-intuitive mess.
Can you find the Welsh Bible?
On Fri, 12 Sep 2025 20:12:15 +0100, "Kendall K. Down" <kendallkdown@googlemail.com> wrote:
I don't know whether any of you use BibleGateway.com? I do from
time-to-time. Apparently it is off-line in Britain and Europe for
"technical reasons", which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibleGateway
says that they are trying to resolve. However they obviously do not
expect a speedy resolution because they are refunding anyone with paid
subscription and have warned that any saved material - bookmarks or
personal study notes - will be deleted.
The good news is that the site can still be accessed via a VPN.
Some have suggested that it is due to censorship from Ofcom or because
of the new online protection legislation - you have to sign in because
you might be subject to "hate speech" (ie. the Bible) on the website. I
don't know whether that is so or not, but nothing would surprise me in
Starmer's Britain.
It can't be due to UK legislation if it's also offline in other European countries. That much is obvious with even a brief moment's thought. And it's not offline in every EU country, either.
Mark
I thought the English versions it covers to be quite comprehensive and includes the popular ones. Is there any particular English version you
think it's lacking that would make a significant difference to interpretation?
No, but it sounds like William Morgan went to great lengths to translate from the Hebrew and Greek sources, rather than relying on existing translations.He did. However his language is rather old-fashioned these days.
I wonder whether they have a problem with GDPR?GDPR?
On 13/09/2025 21:59, Mark Goodge wrote:
It can't be due to UK legislation if it's also offline in other European
countries. That much is obvious with even a brief moment's thought. And it's >> not offline in every EU country, either.
I was under the impression that the requirements of Britain's new law
are similar in other parts of the EU. However I don't really know all
that much about the law and was merely passing on suggestions found >elsewhere on the internet.
John wrote:
[re: https://biblehub.com/ ]
... and in fact it has the NIV, which BibleGateway lacked.
Also I didn't check whether the NIV is the original,I don't recall which version Bible Gateway had and now
which I use, or the modern "gender inclusive" one,
which I detest.
On 14/09/2025 15:33, GB wrote:
I wonder whether they have a problem with GDPR?GDPR?
As you say, the indications are that the site is down long-term.
A shame, as it also had the Hebrew OT and the LXX.
Bible Gateway had the NIV in both US and UK versions. I
previously provided links to the latter in emailed orders
of service for my church.
What it could be is a GDPR data protection related issue. This is common to the UK and EU, and also to some other countries with similar legislation.
I don't know whether any of you use BibleGateway.com? I do from time-to- time. Apparently it is off-line in Britain and Europe for "technical reasons", which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibleGateway says that
they are trying to resolve. However they obviously do not expect a
speedy resolution because they are refunding anyone with paid
subscription and have warned that any saved material - bookmarks or
personal study notes - will be deleted.
It appears to be up and running again now. I was checking out a bibleYes, my son showed me over the weekend. However according to him it is
verse this morning and it took me there.
It appears to be up and running again now. I was checking out a bibleWhen we first mentioned BibleGateway I commented that the New English
verse this morning and it took me there.
On 27/09/2025 11:15, John wrote:
It appears to be up and running again now. I was checking out a bibleWhen we first mentioned BibleGateway I commented that the New English
verse this morning and it took me there.
Bible was not featured on the site and someone contradicted me. Now that
it is back up and running I have checked and the NEB is not on the site. There is something called New English Translation, which is not the same thing but which may have caused the confusion.
You stated that it lacked the NIV, and your claim was refuted.If that's what I said, yes, I was wrong.
On 01/10/2025 21:47, John wrote:
You stated that it lacked the NIV, and your claim was refuted.If that's what I said, yes, I was wrong.
Incidentally, does anyone have a URL for an on-line NEB?
It's out of print now apparently and superceded by other translations
(NIV etc), however I did a quick search and came up with this if it's
any help
https://www.katapi.org.uk/NEB/NEB.html
On 02/10/2025 10:32, John wrote:
It's out of print now apparently and superceded by other translations
(NIV etc), however I did a quick search and came up with this if it's
any help
Thanks. I did a quick search - several quick searches - and couldn't
find it at all, so well done and thank you.
https://www.katapi.org.uk/NEB/NEB.html
I was just too lazy to get up and go downstairs to look it up in my
paper version. Job 14:21, 22 seem slightly contradictory. v. 21 says
that the dead person is not aware of events on earth, v. 22 appears to
say that he is aware of what is happening to his own body. All other translations are similar.
The NEB, on the other hand, comes up with an interesting translation
that fully accords with soul-sleep.
His flesh upon him becomes black,
and his life-blood dries up within him.
For some reason the translators transposed the verses, so that 22 comes before 21. They are a bit overboard with mucking the text about, one
reason why the translation has died the death (and deservedly).
Serves you right for using Bing ;-)
After I posted i remembered (I think) that my first bible as a Christian
was the NEB, which I bought in 1985.
Maybe they did it that way because it did make more sense?-a A few months ago you directed me to that verse and I thought, it doesn't make sense