The argument in defence of unveiled women in authority is that the New Testament was written in a age where women were regarded as second class citizens and that here in the 21st century we are more enlightened.
However for me this all depends on ones view of Scripture. The above
view is saying that Scripture is historically and culturally determined
and as such as history and culture change so does Scripture. But if one takes the high and holy view of the absolute inerrancy of Scripture then
the historical and cultural arguments fail. What the Holy Spirit wrote
two thousand years ago, stands for today. God have mercy on all of us.
1Ti 2:12-a But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Cor 11:10-a For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.
If you are like me, you recognise that St Paul, guided by the Spirit,
was giving good advice suitable for that culture, but not to be taken literally in every culture and every age. And likewise with the advice
about women teaching.
I agree with all that you have written, but how does one discern what's
for that age and what's still applicable today?
As an example, the bible tells Christians not to fornicate, perhaps theOr, indeed, what is marriage? Isaac simply took Rebekkah into his
most broken "rule" Paul made, presumably with the aid of the Holy
Spirit.-a Is it still applicable today, or should one be married in order
to have sex?
My counter-argument has always been that 'Inerrancy of scripture' does
not appear in any of the ancient Creeds, which are meant to define basic Christian doctrine. So it is not acceptable IMO to try to claim that
people who do not hold to that view are not Christians.
On that basis, I believe that it is sex which defines marriage, not the ceremony. You can have sex with a woman without a church service, but
once you do, you are married to her for life. And God's ideal seems to
be monogamy, life-long.
On 01/02/2026 10:12, mick falconer wrote:
The argument in defence of unveiled women in authority is that the New
Testament was written in a age where women were regarded as second
class citizens and that here in the 21st century we are more enlightened.
However for me this all depends on ones view of Scripture. The above
view is saying that Scripture is historically and culturally
determined and as such as history and culture change so does
Scripture. But if one takes the high and holy view of the absolute
inerrancy of Scripture then the historical and cultural arguments
fail. What the Holy Spirit wrote two thousand years ago, stands for
today. God have mercy on all of us.
If you really believe what you have just written, I invite you to join
me in observing the seventh-day Sabbath. If you don't, then I must
question your motives: the Bible must be followed in every detail when putting down women, but I can ignore it when it is inconvenient for me personally.
Are you a misogynist or a Biblical inerrentist?
1Ti 2:12-a But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority
over the man, but to be in silence.
A little bit further on Paul tells Timothy, "Let as many slaves as are
under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the
name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed."
Do you feel that slaves should still respect their masters and not rebel against their authority? Would you feel the same if, like the hero of Stevenson's "Kidnapped", you were the one destined for slavery?
If you are like me, you recognise that St Paul, guided by the Spirit,
was giving good advice suitable for that culture, but not to be taken literally in every culture and every age. And likewise with the advice
about women teaching.
1 Cor 11:10-a For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her]
head because of the angels.
What does it mean for a woman to have authority on her head? And what do
the angels have to do with it? Explain those things satisfactorily and
your thoughts on the role of women might carry some weight.
God bless,
Kendall K. Down
Plenty of food for thought here. I dont think that anyone who knows me
would regard me as a woman hater! Male and female He created them. There
are many many Christians who i totally love and respect who will use the culturally and historically determined arguments concerning the Word of
God. And every time i bring the subject up it seems to cause more
trouble than i like. Or perhaps it is a case that the letter killeth and only the Spirit gives life.
For decades i believed the doctrine of the inerrancy of Scriptures.
However i could be wrong. Also for decades i believed in Christian
Zionism .....and then i find out that there are alternate views. But all
of the Churches i attended at the time either did not do end time
prophecy or if they did they only taught the Christian Zionist approach.
No alternative explantions were acknowledged or given......
All this may mean i have had it completely wrong for decades......
Plenty of food for thought here. I dont think that anyone who knows me
would regard me as a woman hater! Male and female He created them. There
are many many Christians who i totally love and respect who will use the culturally and historically determined arguments concerning the Word of
God. And every time i bring the subject up it seems to cause more
trouble than i like. Or perhaps it is a case that the letter killeth and only the Spirit gives life.
For decades i believed the doctrine of the inerrancy of Scriptures.
However i could be wrong. Also for decades i believed in Christian
Zionism .....and then i find out that there are alternate views. But all
of the Churches i attended at the time either did not do end time
prophecy or if they did they only taught the Christian Zionist approach.
No alternative explantions were acknowledged or given......
All this may mean i have had it completely wrong for decades......
many thanks for everyones responses
I don't think any church group is perfect,
Effectively then, you should be able to find a church fellowship within Anglicanism where you feel comfortable. That is provided that you are
not TOO rigid. None of us could probably find a group we agree with 100%.
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