Fortunately I prefer the holy door mentioned in John 10:9, which not
only does not require me to visit Rome or Croatia or anywhere else, but which is far more effective than the pope's bricks and mortar.
On 24/12/2025 07:17, Kendall K. Down wrote:
Fortunately I prefer the holy door mentioned in John 10:9, which not
only does not require me to visit Rome or Croatia or anywhere else,
but which is far more effective than the pope's bricks and mortar.
What your take on verse 8?-a Who were the ones who came before Jesus, as
I thought He was supposed to be the only one to lay claim to be the
Messiah?
According to the Daily Mail, over the next couple of days the pope is
going to be busy bricking up four doors - literally - and a fifth (metaphorically). These are the Jubilee doors. I already knew about the
one in the front of St Peters, but apparently there are others at St
John Lateran and elsewhere.
What your take on verse 8?-a Who were the ones who came before Jesus, asWhat on earth gives you that idea? There have been false prophets and
I thought He was supposed to be the only one to lay claim to be the
Messiah?
This past year there has been a fifth door at the Rebibbia prison in
Rome, already closed.
'Josephus mentions a dozen or more rCLmessiahrCY figures beginning with Hezekiah/Ezekias c. 45 BCE whom the young Herod defeated whom he
variously labels as rCLbrigandsrCY (++++-a-a+<-e) or rCLimpostersrCY'
On 26/12/2025 15:33, John wrote:
What your take on verse 8?-a Who were the ones who came before Jesus,
as I thought He was supposed to be the only one to lay claim to be the
Messiah?
What on earth gives you that idea? There have been false prophets and
false messiahs all down through history. However Jesus' words are not particularly about false messiahs, they refer to any person who claims
to be the special path to God, whether or not they claim to be a (or
the) messiah.
On 26/12/2025 15:33, John wrote:
On 24/12/2025 07:17, Kendall K. Down wrote:
Fortunately I prefer the holy door mentioned in John 10:9, which not
only does not require me to visit Rome or Croatia or anywhere else,
but which is far more effective than the pope's bricks and mortar.
What your take on verse 8?-a Who were the ones who came before Jesus,
as I thought He was supposed to be the only one to lay claim to be the
Messiah?
I think there were quite a few claims of Messiah-hood at around that time.
'Josephus mentions a dozen or more rCLmessiahrCY figures beginning with Hezekiah/Ezekias c. 45 BCE whom the young Herod defeated whom he
variously labels as rCLbrigandsrCY (++++-a-a+<-e) or rCLimpostersrCY'
https://jamestabor.com/messiahs-in-the-time-of-jesus/
Given this history, you can perhaps have some sympathy with verses 19-20:
19 The Jews who heard these words were again divided. 20 Many of them
said, rCLHe is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?rCY
On 26/12/2025 23:19, Graham Nye wrote:
This past year there has been a fifth door at the Rebibbia prison in
Rome, already closed.
It does seem rather odd to put a Jubilee Door in a prison, where access
was, I presume, limited to prisoners!
Why that particular prison? Why this particular year?
Thanks GB, my OT knowledge is very sparse, so I wasn't aware of it. It reminds me of the 1800's a bit, when there was a huge expectation of the return of Jesus, which spawned 3 major sects still in existence today.
All who came before me would indicate those who came as the Messiah, not just the ones who claim to be a path to be a special path to God.-a If
that were the case you'd have to discount every prophet previous to Jesus.
Can you name any false Messiah's, either pre or post Jesus (the man)?GB has given you one. I seem to recall that at least one of the leaders
The only one I can think of is Simon bar Kokhba, who came about a
century after Jesus.
It's Italy's largest. It was Pope Francis' wish, expressed in the bullIt may be the largest, but it is by no means the only. It does seem odd
linked from the link I posted.
On 28/12/2025 14:40, John wrote:
Thanks GB, my OT knowledge is very sparse, so I wasn't aware of it. It
reminds me of the 1800's a bit, when there was a huge expectation of
the return of Jesus, which spawned 3 major sects still in existence
today.
In both cases, I believe, the expectations were based upon Bible
prophecy. In the 1st century AD it would have been the prophecy of
Daniel 9, which was understood to mean that there would be 490 years
from the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the Messiah. In the 19th century
it was the prophecy of Daniel 8, which was understood to mean that from
the same starting point - the rebuilding of Jerusalem - there would be
2,300 years until "the sanctuary shall be cleansed".
The "sanctuary" which required cleansing was believed to be the earth,
and the "cleansing" would be the return of Christ. The trouble is that
this ignores the two facts that in the 19th century (and still today)
there is no earthly sanctuary - and hasn't been since AD 70, and
secondly that Christian belief focusses on the sanctuary in heaven as described in Hebrews 8.
Two of the sects referred to above are the SDA and the JWs. I'm not sure which is the third. Can you elucidate, John?
I had in mind the Christadelphians as well, but probably could alsoThanks. I wasn't aware that either of them were spawned by the
include the Plymouth Brethren, although they aren't as prolific as the
other three.
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