• Gayton Marina Dayboat Explosion

    From Martin Nicholas@reply-2025@mgn.org.uk to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 9 15:03:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways


    The links you need:
    https://youtu.be/dheevNbWUv0
    https://www.abcdayboathire.com/our-boats/electric/ https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/canal-cordoned-off-and-marina-evacuated-after-boat-explodes-and-burst-into-flames-in-northants-5260199
    https://youtu.be/TU-95aF3Rik
    https://youtu.be/fAyz-hXwgWo

    Facts:

    The explosion was a gas explosion in the cabin - where the flammable gas
    came from is to be determined.

    The fire was the wooden interior and the electronics bay - the
    electronics are sited behind the rear bulkhead.

    The batteries are below the rear deck and did not catch fire although
    they may have been the source of the inflammable gas.

    There was no explosion in the vicinity of the batteries as the engine
    cover would have been lifted. The appears to not have happened.

    The boat is LPG free.

    The boat toured by "Cruising the Cut" was the first of its kind and the
    design may well have changed. It's very unlikely the the batteries have
    been re-sited as they need to be as low as possible for ballasting
    reasons.
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    Regards,

    Martin Nicholas.

    E-mail: reply-202508@mgn.org.uk (Address will be valid throughout
    August).

    All facts mentioned here were correct at the time I converted them from opinion.

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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 9 15:19:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways

    On 09/08/2025 15:03, Martin Nicholas wrote:

    The links you need:
    https://youtu.be/dheevNbWUv0 https://www.abcdayboathire.com/our-boats/electric/ https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/canal-cordoned-off-and-marina-evacuated-after-boat-explodes-and-burst-into-flames-in-northants-5260199
    https://youtu.be/TU-95aF3Rik
    https://youtu.be/fAyz-hXwgWo

    Facts:

    The explosion was a gas explosion in the cabin - where the flammable gas
    came from is to be determined.

    <Snip>
    The boat is LPG free.


    If the boat was LPG free, then how did a gas explosion happen?

    The only batteries which can be a source of inflammable gas are lead
    acid, and we have been told the batteries are lithium based.

    Unless there was an unauthorised camping cooker on board?
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 9 15:22:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways

    On 09/08/2025 15:19, John Williamson wrote:
    On 09/08/2025 15:03, Martin Nicholas wrote:

    The links you need:
    https://youtu.be/dheevNbWUv0
    https://www.abcdayboathire.com/our-boats/electric/
    https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/canal-cordoned-off-and-marina-evacuated-after-boat-explodes-and-burst-into-flames-in-northants-5260199

    https://youtu.be/TU-95aF3Rik
    https://youtu.be/fAyz-hXwgWo

    Facts:

    The explosion was a gas explosion in the cabin - where the flammable gas
    came from is to be determined.

    <Snip>
    The boat is LPG free.


    If the boat was LPG free, then how did a gas explosion happen?

    The only batteries which can be a source of inflammable gas are lead
    acid, and we have been told the batteries are lithium based.

    Unless there was an unauthorised camping cooker on board?

    By the way, the only type of fire I am aware of that can reignite after
    being submerged involves a lithium battery.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From Martin Nicholas@reply-2025@mgn.org.uk to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 9 16:09:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways

    On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 15:22:03 +0100
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 09/08/2025 15:19, John Williamson wrote:
    On 09/08/2025 15:03, Martin Nicholas wrote:

    The links you need:
    https://youtu.be/dheevNbWUv0
    https://www.abcdayboathire.com/our-boats/electric/
    https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/canal-cordoned-off-and-marina-evacuated-after-boat-explodes-and-burst-into-flames-in-northants-5260199

    https://youtu.be/TU-95aF3Rik
    https://youtu.be/fAyz-hXwgWo

    Facts:

    The explosion was a gas explosion in the cabin - where the
    flammable gas came from is to be determined.

    <Snip>
    The boat is LPG free.


    If the boat was LPG free, then how did a gas explosion happen?

    The only batteries which can be a source of inflammable gas are lead
    acid, and we have been told the batteries are lithium based.

    Unless there was an unauthorised camping cooker on board?

    By the way, the only type of fire I am aware of that can reignite
    after being submerged involves a lithium battery.


    I'm certain the propulsion batteries are LiFePO which
    are non-inflammable. There may be additional 12V battery for the low
    voltage systems - not sure.
    --
    Regards,

    Martin Nicholas.

    E-mail: reply-202508@mgn.org.uk (Address will be valid throughout
    August).

    I have no qualifications in clairvoyance, that should be immediately
    obvious.

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  • From chrisnd@privacy.net@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.waterways on Sun Aug 10 10:15:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways

    On 09/08/2025 16:09, Martin Nicholas wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 15:22:03 +0100
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 09/08/2025 15:19, John Williamson wrote:
    On 09/08/2025 15:03, Martin Nicholas wrote:

    The links you need:
    https://youtu.be/dheevNbWUv0
    https://www.abcdayboathire.com/our-boats/electric/
    https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/canal-cordoned-off-and-marina-evacuated-after-boat-explodes-and-burst-into-flames-in-northants-5260199

    https://youtu.be/TU-95aF3Rik
    https://youtu.be/fAyz-hXwgWo

    Facts:

    The explosion was a gas explosion in the cabin - where the
    flammable gas came from is to be determined.


    Interesting, ta.

    <Snip>
    The boat is LPG free.


    If the boat was LPG free, then how did a gas explosion happen?

    The only batteries which can be a source of inflammable gas are lead
    acid, and we have been told the batteries are lithium based.

    Unless there was an unauthorised camping cooker on board?

    By the way, the only type of fire I am aware of that can reignite
    after being submerged involves a lithium battery.


    I'm certain the propulsion batteries are LiFePO which
    are non-inflammable. There may be additional 12V battery for the low
    voltage systems - not sure.

    Just a pedantic point, but the word 'inflammable' is deprecated these
    days. I remember it being painted in red on the Trent oil tankers 50
    odd years ago but then it was realised that it was ambiguous because
    adding 'in_' to the start of the word generally meant it became the
    opposite. Therefore if something is/was likely to burn, the correct term
    is now 'flammable'. Simultaneously, if it won't burn then it is (now) 'non-flammable'.

    Saying 'non-inflammable' therefore means 'flammable' because of the
    implied double negative :-)

    HTH, Chris



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  • From Martin Nicholas@reply-2025@mgn.org.uk to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 30 08:40:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways


    https://www.northantsfire.gov.uk/2025/08/29/fire-service-issues-reminder-on-dangers-of-lithium-ion-batteries-following-gayton-marina-boat-fire/
    --
    Regards,

    Martin Nicholas.

    E-mail: reply-202508@mgn.org.uk (Address will be valid throughout
    August).

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of bullshit is that good folks
    say nothing.

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  • From Martin Nicholas@reply-2025@mgn.org.uk to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 30 14:01:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways

    The interior:
    https://youtu.be/MBwTs4PcawY?si=NkvsabzmEebz-z3L
    --
    Regards,

    Martin Nicholas.

    E-mail: reply-202508@mgn.org.uk (Address will be valid throughout
    August).

    The Usenet: Social media since 1980.

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  • From John Williamson@johnwilliamson@btinternet.com to uk.rec.waterways on Sat Aug 30 15:13:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.waterways

    On 30/08/2025 14:01, Martin Nicholas wrote:
    The interior:
    https://youtu.be/MBwTs4PcawY?si=NkvsabzmEebz-z3L

    To start with the first and most glaringly obvious error. The person
    that took the photograph was standing at what used to be near enough the original floor level of the boat, and anyone who has ever been on a
    narrowboat would know that. The gunwales are normally at about hip
    height for me.

    LiFePO4 batteries have only recently started to be used to power
    electric vehicles. and the vast majority of the ones on the road are
    still powered by lithium ion batteries, Usually lithium cobalt oxide
    (LCO)or lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide (NMC) batteries. Even
    hybrid buses and cars use them. Early hybrid cars such as the Toyota
    Prius used Nickel Metal hydride batteries

    LCO and NMC batteries are prone to catch fire and explode if mistreated,
    and can only be quickly extinguished by immersing them in water, which
    is what the fire brigade did on this occasion, though that was not the
    prime reason given. They are also liable to re-ignite when they are
    removed from the water, for very well understood reasons, They are also
    prone to re-ignite up to 72 hours after they gave been extinguished,
    again for well understood reasons. Lithium iron Phosphate batteries have
    never before been reported to do either of these things.

    Outside a laboratory, this would be the first report of lithium iron
    phosphate batteries exploding. If you do manage to set fire to a LiFePO4 battery, the cells are usually intact, unless they have been pierced by
    a sharp object. The cells contain nothing that can burn, though very
    high temperatures can release toxic gases if the case is pierced.

    To sum up, we still have no idea as to what caused the explosion.
    =
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.
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  • From Martin Nicholas@reply-2025@mgn.org.uk to uk.rec.waterways on Sun Aug 31 07:46:49 2025
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    "Electric Narrowboat Battery BLAST - NEW FOOTAGE!"

    https://youtu.be/ELI8NLfZyNA

    An American firefighter weighs in.
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    Regards,

    Martin Nicholas.

    E-mail: reply-202508@mgn.org.uk (Address will be valid throughout
    August).

    You don't complete a jigsaw puzzle just to see the picture.

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