So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
In order of priority.
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
On 22/12/2025 10:57, Mark Roberts wrote:
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
Whatever you decide you might like, DO try it on before you buy.
My experience is that whatever size/brand/model you think you want may
not fit your particular shaped head!
"chrisnd @ukrm" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in news:mqtc8gF4siuU1 @mid.individual.net:
On 22/12/2025 10:57, Mark Roberts wrote:
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
Whatever you decide you might like, DO try it on before you buy.
My experience is that whatever size/brand/model you think you want may
not fit your particular shaped head!
It's quite a trial to do this unless you can get to somewhere like a branch of Sportsbikeshop, J&S or Infinity as most dealers stock very few helmets
as it is quite a capital outlay.
Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in >news:6r7ikk5g8s7ptefaaoijtmori7pqaljeo3@4ax.com:
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
In order of priority.
[snip] [long]
you mention a Neotec so you have not ruled out a modular/flip job
you mention a Shark helmet fitting but visor woes
you mention a Nolan on the short list - just be aware they are the same >company as Shark so you might have similar visor woes but a good chance
it will fit.
I have a mk1 and a mk2 Neotec. Both bought from M&P when they had them
on offer at u300 ish. The mk3 must be coming towards the end of its >production life so shops might start discounting existing stock.
I don't find the Neotecs noisy but I wear Laserlite ear plugs with SNR
of 35.
Shoei are costly but they are very durable.
As a flip convert and wanting to have a spare helmet to replace the
slightly baggy mk1 I have been down the helmet purchse route recently. I
too ruled out u600 for a Neotec 3 as the mk2 is still my main touring >helmet.
the Shark Oxo or the Nolan 120
On 22/12/2025 10:57, Mark Roberts wrote:
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
Whatever you decide you might like, DO try it on before you buy.
My experience is that whatever size/brand/model you think you want may
not fit your particular shaped head!
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 17:08:32 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"<snip>
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
On 22/12/2025 10:57, Mark Roberts wrote:
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
I've bought helmets mail order from Sportsbikeshop and they will take returns. So you basically buy a bunch of helmets and send back the
ones that don't fit. Bit spendy; in the short term, if you want to try
a few though.
J&S Northwich aren't too far away though.
On 22/12/2025 10:57, Mark Roberts wrote:
J&S Northwich
Always 1st point of helmet selection :-)
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
In order of priority.
Facility for spectacles. [1]
Sun visor.
Can fit my old Cardo freecom 2+ and its 40 (45?) mm jbl speakers.
Quiet.
Full face.
Pinlock.
Keep the rain out.
I would consider a flip up but I understand these are not always
quiet.
Not bothered about a peak; I'm over the Adventure look and I think a
sun visor more than makes up for the loss of a peak.
In the past I've had Arai's (no sun visor :( )
Shoei Hornet (Nice but done with the peak and weird visor)
HJC (Uncomfortable)
The current helmet is a Shark Explor-r; this has been very good but
the visors were expensive and fragile.
Helmets under consideration:
GT Air 3
Nolan X-1005
Budget is slighly north of -u500 which cuts out Neotec 3.
Ive looked at photochromic visors but they are not cheap and I don't
know anyone with one.
Have at you!
1. Although I usually manage those on my own.
I really like my Neotec 2. It's *much* quiter/more comfortable than the >Multitec it replaced. It worked well for me on my little Asian jolly.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 21:07:43 +0000, Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
I really like my Neotec 2. It's *much* quiter/more comfortable than the >>Multitec it replaced. It worked well for me on my little Asian jolly.
Maybe I need to stretch the budget. Or look for a left over 2.
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
In order of priority.
Facility for spectacles. [1]
Sun visor.
Can fit my old Cardo freecom 2+ and its 40 (45?) mm jbl speakers.
Quiet.
Full face.
Pinlock.
Keep the rain out.
Just be aware, as I mentioend above, you won't find a replacement visor
I recently bought a Schuberth C5
It's definitely the kind of lid that I can pop down in a bar somewhere
and the conversation will start "so what BMW do you ride then?"
Just be aware, as I mentioend above, you won't find a replacement visor anywhere as I am wearing mine with a scratch due to a low ceiling in a basement hotel car park. I had the chin bar raised, got off the bike, stood up and beadbutted the sloping garage roof with the visor.
On 22/12/2025 23:10, wessie wrote:
Just be aware, as I mentioend above, you won't find a replacement
visor anywhere as I am wearing mine with a scratch due to a low
ceiling in a basement hotel car park. I had the chin bar raised, got
off the bike, stood up and beadbutted the sloping garage roof with
the visor.
This one? https://www.bobheathvisors.co.uk/product/shoei-neotec-2-cns-3-genuine-v isors/
Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote in news:mqv8t2FffljU1@mid.individual.net:
On 22/12/2025 23:10, wessie wrote:
Just be aware, as I mentioend above, you won't find a replacement
visor anywhere as I am wearing mine with a scratch due to a low
ceiling in a basement hotel car park. I had the chin bar raised, got
off the bike, stood up and beadbutted the sloping garage roof with
the visor.
This one?
https://www.bobheathvisors.co.uk/product/shoei-neotec-2-cns-3-genuine-v
isors/
I see SBS have stock as well
I damaged ny visor in Kempten in Sept 2024 and there has been no stock for much of the last year. I checked before I bought the Nolan. I assumed Shoei stopped making them as even the most recently made Neotec 2 are likely over
5 years old. Mine was made in 2019.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 18:06:22 +0000, YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
On 22/12/2025 10:57, Mark Roberts wrote:
J&S Northwich
Always 1st point of helmet selection :-)
Yes, but trying to narrow the choice down before entering the den of temptation!
Except they will not have your choice if you go that route :-)
On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 12:46:44 +0000, YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
Except they will not have your choice if you go that route :-)
I'll give them a ring ;)
Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in news:veamkkdeuao8s9d16pfp3fevatq4eq8dma@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 12:46:44 +0000, YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
Except they will not have your choice if you go that route :-)
I'll give them a ring ;)
with J&S you can check store stock on the website
wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
news:veamkkdeuao8s9d16pfp3fevatq4eq8dma@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 12:46:44 +0000, YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
Except they will not have your choice if you go that route :-)
I'll give them a ring ;)
with J&S you can check store stock on the website
Indeed. Make a phone call ?? <shudder>
On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 17:15:01 -0000 (UTC), Higgins <the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:
wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
news:veamkkdeuao8s9d16pfp3fevatq4eq8dma@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 12:46:44 +0000, YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
Except they will not have your choice if you go that route :-)
I'll give them a ring ;)
with J&S you can check store stock on the website
Indeed. Make a phone call ?? <shudder>
I miss making phone calls.....
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be quiter
than a peaked full face.
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to wear
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be quiter
than a peaked full face.
a full face again.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to wear
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be quiter
than a peaked full face.
a full face again.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The full
face job felt claustrophobic.
On 29/12/2025 12:37, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be
quiter than a peaked full face.
wear a full face again.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The
full face job felt claustrophobic.
My Shoei isn't rated for riding open, so it's just a full-face except
at petrol stations. It is a longer shape than my old AGV, so it does
feel roomier in that respect, but then, so does my full-face track
helmet.
On 29/12/2025 12:37, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to wear >>> a full face again.
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be quiter
than a peaked full face.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The full
face job felt claustrophobic.
My Shoei isn't rated for riding open, so it's just a full-face except at
On 29/12/2025 14:25, PipL wrote:
On 29/12/2025 12:37, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be quiter >>>>> than a peaked full face.
wear
a full face again.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The full >>> face job felt claustrophobic.
My Shoei isn't rated for riding open, so it's just a full-face except at
I don't think any/many are rated for riding while open?
On 29/12/2025 14:25, PipL wrote:
On 29/12/2025 12:37, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be
quiter than a peaked full face.
wear a full face again.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The
full face job felt claustrophobic.
My Shoei isn't rated for riding open, so it's just a full-face except
at
I don't think any/many are rated for riding while open?
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05 had the
P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet with this was
the Neotec 2 bought in 2019, although it had been around a few years
before then. Apparently Caberg had the first dual homologated jobby in 2009
for the newish ECE 22.06 cert they have to have a latch for the open
position as well to get approval.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10j09k8$1ncpv$1@dont-email.me:Ah, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
On 29/12/2025 14:25, PipL wrote:
On 29/12/2025 12:37, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be
quiter than a peaked full face.
wear a full face again.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The
full face job felt claustrophobic.
My Shoei isn't rated for riding open, so it's just a full-face except
at
I don't think any/many are rated for riding while open?
au contraire
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05 had the
P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet with this was
On 30/12/2025 14:11, wessie wrote:
au contraireAh, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05 had
the P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet with
this was
always breaks on the Caberg duke?
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10j0tgq$1tfg3$1@dont-email.me:
On 30/12/2025 14:11, wessie wrote:
au contraireAh, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05 had
the P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet with
this was
always breaks on the Caberg duke?
yes, never used it
even on my Neotec mk1 I have never experienced the chin bar falling down >whilst riding.
my new Nolan N120 flip back still has a latch to meet regs despite having
to defy gravity to flip up and over.
On 30/12/2025 16:38, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10j0tgq$1tfg3$1@dont-email.me:
On 30/12/2025 14:11, wessie wrote:
au contraireAh, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05
had the P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet
with this was
always breaks on the Caberg duke?
yes, never used it
even on my Neotec mk1 I have never experienced the chin bar falling
down whilst riding.
my new Nolan N120 flip back still has a latch to meet regs despite
having to defy gravity to flip up and over.
Shirley, if you're going to ride with the chin bar up you might as
well have
an open face helmet?
Or am I missing sumthing?
Chris Deuchar <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in news:mrivo3Foct6U1@mid.individual.net:
On 30/12/2025 16:38, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10j0tgq$1tfg3$1@dont-email.me:
On 30/12/2025 14:11, wessie wrote:
au contraireAh, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05
had the P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet
with this was
always breaks on the Caberg duke?
yes, never used it
even on my Neotec mk1 I have never experienced the chin bar falling
down whilst riding.
my new Nolan N120 flip back still has a latch to meet regs despite
having to defy gravity to flip up and over.
Shirley, if you're going to ride with the chin bar up you might as
well have
an open face helmet?
Or am I missing sumthing?
yes, the context of the situation
have you seen the latest version of the flip style helmet like the Nolan
N120 or Shark Oxo?
They actually convert to an open face style helmet with the chinbar
almost unnoticeable. Unlike my Neotec, you get full use of the viro as
well. This is great for riding in Spanish mountains or cities at 35C but
of course has some risk of facial injury
If the weather turns nasty or you want better protection at a headier
pace then you can quickly adopt the full face position.
My Schuberth C5 is certified for use when opened up, and I can still use
the sun visor in that position. I'm not actually sure how far I'd want
to ride with the chinbar acting as a sail on top of my head
On 30/12/2025 23:03, Neil Ronketti wrote:
My Schuberth C5 is certified for use when opened up, and I can still
use the sun visor in that position. I'm not actually sure how far I'd
want to ride with the chinbar acting as a sail on top of my head
At the IoM last year we were talking to the head of Arai Europe. I was looking for a new open face helmet, Arai do one, but do not import it
to the UK. They were on display, I tried it, fitted perfectly, then
asked if he could get me one, but no, they only sell through their
Agents, so wouldnt do one direct.
Anyway, he looked at my current Shoei open face (-u500ish), and then
went on to say how most other helmets were nowhere near as good as
Arais. Even the flip down sun visor on mine compromises the structural integrity, by leaving a small unprotected gap where the visor sits,
this allows more impact force to get to the head. He also told me
about the flip up helmets, they had tested something like 150 designs,
but none had reached their standards for crash ratings, as he said
they were too many moving parts which break in a crash, adding to the potential of injuries, so they were not going to make one.
Whether their crash testing applies in real life is open to debate,
but he seemed sincere when he was telling me.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10j0tgq$1tfg3$1@dont-email.me:
On 30/12/2025 14:11, wessie wrote:
au contraireAh, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05 had
the P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet with
this was
always breaks on the Caberg duke?
yes, never used it
even on my Neotec mk1 I have never experienced the chin bar falling down whilst riding.
my new Nolan N120 flip back still has a latch to meet regs despite having
to defy gravity to flip up and over.
Chris Deuchar <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in news:mrivo3Foct6U1@mid.individual.net:
On 30/12/2025 16:38, wessie wrote:
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10j0tgq$1tfg3$1@dont-email.me:
On 30/12/2025 14:11, wessie wrote:
au contraireAh, is that the slider/clip thing that is meant to hold it up, but
they have been for a long time and it is mandatory now. ECE 22.05
had the P/J optional extra certification from 2002. My first helmet
with this was
always breaks on the Caberg duke?
yes, never used it
even on my Neotec mk1 I have never experienced the chin bar falling
down whilst riding.
my new Nolan N120 flip back still has a latch to meet regs despite
having to defy gravity to flip up and over.
Shirley, if you're going to ride with the chin bar up you might as
well have
an open face helmet?
Or am I missing sumthing?
yes, the context of the situation
have you seen the latest version of the flip style helmet like the Nolan
N120 or Shark Oxo?
They actually convert to an open face style helmet with the chinbar
almost unnoticeable. Unlike my Neotec, you get full use of the viro as
well. This is great for riding in Spanish mountains or cities at 35C but
of course has some risk of facial injury
If the weather turns nasty or you want better protection at a headier
pace then you can quickly adopt the full face position.
Are you still struggling with the concept of flexibility due to the
riding context?
Do I need to provide pictures?
On 30/12/2025 21:57, wessie wrote:
Are you still struggling with the concept of flexibility due to the
riding context?
Nope, got it now, ta.
I am just so out of date with what is now available - both conceptually
and practically! As someone else commented in this thread though, I'd
be worried about joints/brackets/locks/moving parts in the event of an offing - despite all the (alleged[1]) safety compliance.
I also ride in jeans from time to time. I wear trainers occasionally.Each to their own(? Had an Off today so I may be a bit incoherent due to self medication, aka ethanol (muscle relaxant)), but I always do that acronym. If the trip is too short for that, I walk or push bike. Also keeps the engine oil healthy with no short trips.
Unless you are 100% ATTGATT, why worry?
I also ride in jeans from time to time. I wear trainers occasionally.Each to their own(? Had an Off today so I may be a bit incoherent due to self medication, aka ethanol (muscle relaxant)), but I always do that acronym. If the trip is too short for that, I walk or push bike. Also
Unless you are 100% ATTGATT, why worry?
keeps the engine oil healthy with no short trips.
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.
On 31/12/2025 18:32, H wrote:
I also ride in jeans from time to time. I wear trainers occasionally.Each to their own(? Had an Off today so I may be a bit incoherent due
Unless you are 100% ATTGATT, why worry?
to self medication, aka ethanol (muscle relaxant)), but I always do
that acronym. If the trip is too short for that, I walk or push bike.
Also
It is just age that has got me that way, there was a time i thought
nothing of leaping on the bike and popping into town.
:-)keeps the engine oil healthy with no short trips.
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.
Aircraft don't land, they perform a controlled crash.
On 30/12/2025 23:03, Neil Ronketti wrote:
My Schuberth C5 is certified for use when opened up, and I can still use the sun visor in that position. I'm not actually sure how far I'd want
to ride with the chinbar acting as a sail on top of my head
At the IoM last year we were talking to the head of Arai Europe. I was looking for a new open face helmet, Arai do one, but do not import it to
the UK. They were on display, I tried it, fitted perfectly, then asked
if he could get me one, but no, they only sell through their Agents, so wouldnt do one direct.
Anyway, he looked at my current Shoei open face (u500ish), and then went
on to say how most other helmets were nowhere near as good as Arais.
Even the flip down sun visor on mine compromises the structural
integrity, by leaving a small unprotected gap where the visor sits, this allows more impact force to get to the head. He also told me about the
flip up helmets, they had tested something like 150 designs, but none
had reached their standards for crash ratings, as he said they were too
many moving parts which break in a crash, adding to the potential of injuries, so they were not going to make one.
Whether their crash testing applies in real life is open to debate, but
he seemed sincere when he was telling me.
I also ride in jeans from time to time. I wear trainers occasionally.
Unless you are 100% ATTGATT, why worry? Life is a compromise and we take
all sorts of risks to save time, improve comfort, have a thrill etc.
YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote in news:10itje5$t7t3$1@dont-email.me:
On 27/12/2025 15:23, Mark Roberts wrote:
So I found a Neotec 3 for a smidge over -u500 at Sportsbikeshop.I've got so used to a flip up now, I think I would find it weird to wear
After some thought I guess a quality peakless flip up must be quiter
than a peaked full face.
a full face again.
Yes, I stopped wearing my Shoei XR1100 after buying the Neotec. The full
face job felt claustrophobic.
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2025 10:57:46 +0000, Mark Roberts
<mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
So, I'm looking for a new crash helmet.
So a Neotec 3 just wouldn't fit.
I ordered a medium and it was far too tight at the temples.
Decided to order a few helmets and drive to Sportsbikeshop Preston to
return the Shoei & try them all.
Helmets tested were:
Arai Quantic (because they have fitted in the past and I found that
they sell a weird sounding visor with a sunshade attached) https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/324409
Large Neotec 3 to see if it would fit (It was far too big)
Schubert C5 medium (that felt a smidge too slack)
So I have a Medium Diamond White Arai on the way because it was
sooooooo comfortable.
And my old Cardo fits :)
To end; aren't modular helmets a bloody faff?
Maybe I'd get used to it but it just felt like a lot of bother over a
full face lid with a visor.
Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
Maybe I'd get used to it but it just felt like a lot of bother over a
full face lid with a visor.
the integral visor is less of a faff than carrying a separate clear visor
for cloudy days on a trip
On 10/01/2026 18:06, wessie wrote:
Mark Roberts <mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
Maybe I'd get used to it but it just felt like a lot of bother over
a full face lid with a visor.
the integral visor is less of a faff than carrying a separate clear
visor for cloudy days on a trip
I very rarely use a sun visor: I find that the loss of brightness
doesn't make up for the loss of dark contrast.
The closest I come is half lowering the built-in one when riding
directly into a low sun, but I also often just raise the clear visor
to deflect some of the light instead, and just dip my head a little.
I guess I don't ride in sunny climes very often though.
What make of helmet are you using? I have Shoei and Nolan and I don't have any problem with dark contrast when using the sun visor. In fact, it has to be pretty gloomy for me to raise the sun visor.
On 10/01/2026 19:05, wessie wrote:
What make of helmet are you using? I have Shoei and Nolan and I don't
have any problem with dark contrast when using the sun visor. In
fact, it has to be pretty gloomy for me to raise the sun visor.
It's a Neotec ... 2, I think. I'm also not a huge fan of sunglasses,
prefer a hat with a brim.
so best part of u600 with the silly visor - bet that gets noisy, especially >when flipped up on a dull day or in a deep gorge. Tad over budget!
Helmets tested were:
To end; aren't modular helmets a bloody faff?
no
Maybe I'd get used to it but it just felt like a lot of bother over a
full face lid with a visor.
the integral visor is less of a faff than carrying a separate clear visor >for cloudy days on a trip
I very rarely use a sun visor: I find that the loss of brightness
doesn't make up for the loss of dark contrast.
The closest I come is half lowering the built-in one when riding
directly into a low sun, but I also often just raise the clear visor to >deflect some of the light instead, and just dip my head a little.
I guess I don't ride in sunny climes very often though.
PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote in news:msfn4oFjq2kU1@mid.individual.net:
On 10/01/2026 19:05, wessie wrote:
What make of helmet are you using? I have Shoei and Nolan and I don't
have any problem with dark contrast when using the sun visor. In
fact, it has to be pretty gloomy for me to raise the sun visor.
It's a Neotec ... 2, I think. I'm also not a huge fan of sunglasses,
prefer a hat with a brim.
do you wear a sombrero when skiing?
On 10/01/2026 19:30, wessie wrote:
PipL <pip@nowhere.nul> wrote in news:msfn4oFjq2kU1@mid.individual.net:
On 10/01/2026 19:05, wessie wrote:
What make of helmet are you using? I have Shoei and Nolan and I don't
have any problem with dark contrast when using the sun visor. In
fact, it has to be pretty gloomy for me to raise the sun visor.
It's a Neotec ... 2, I think. I'm also not a huge fan of sunglasses,
prefer a hat with a brim.
do you wear a sombrero when skiing?
Heh, no, but that's different: it's so much brighter, there's the UV
risk and I'm not generally trying to spot people or vehicles in mixed
shadow and bright, often low, sun.
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