• Classic Racing Superbike for sale

    From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 22 16:10:26 2025
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    I don't seriously expect to find a buyer here, mind

    Now I'm no longer racing, my ZXR750 is up for sale. It was on the
    dyno yesterday, and still makes 128bhp, which ain't bad really

    I'm disappointed to be advised that it's probably worth more in bits
    than as a running maching, despite having a (mildly) tuned motor,
    flatslide carbs, Maxton forks, Ohlins shock, 3 sets of wheels, spare
    (stock) motor, spare bodywork, etc etc etc

    Ho hum
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From YTC1@ytc1@ytc1.co.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 22 21:31:45 2025
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    On 22/11/2025 16:10, Champ wrote:
    I don't seriously expect to find a buyer here, mind
    Lack of riders or racers?
    :-)


    Now I'm no longer racing, my ZXR750 is up for sale. It was on the

    End of an era, all good things must come to an end ... etc etc.

    dyno yesterday, and still makes 128bhp, which ain't bad really

    I'm disappointed to be advised that it's probably worth more in bits

    Unfortunately the norm, that was TOGs favoured method.
    --
    Bruce Porter
    "The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly" http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
    There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
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  • From Sqirrel99@secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Tue Nov 25 09:23:09 2025
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    Champ wrote:
    It was on the dyno yesterday,
    and still makes 128bhp [from the] (mildly) tuned motor
    which ain't bad really

    My stock L1 made a disappointing 102bhp at the wheel, despite supposedly having the same spec engine as the K (compared to the J, which was
    restricted to 100bhp - presumably 'at the crank' ?).



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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Tue Nov 25 18:56:48 2025
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    On 25/11/2025 09:23, Sqirrel99 wrote:
    Champ wrote:
    It was on the dyno yesterday,
    and still makes 128bhp [from the] (mildly) tuned motor
    which ain't bad really

    My stock L1 made a disappointing 102bhp at the wheel, despite supposedly having the same spec engine as the K (compared to the J, which was restricted to 100bhp - presumably 'at the crank' ?).

    My last (absolutely derelict) H1 made 95 - https://nronketti.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-great-zxr-bhp-sweepstake/
    - which surprised a lot of people, not least of all, me.

    I had a long-time hankering to drop a ZX9R B3 motor into a J1 frame -
    and for a while this was quite doable, as J1s were cheap, and 9R motors
    were available when they were all being crashed. I definitely missed the
    boat on that one though - none of the parts are cheap any more. I still
    reckon it'd make a hell of a roadbike though.
    --
    nr.
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  • From Sqirrel99@secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 08:42:41 2025
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    Neil Ronketti wrote:
    On 25/11/2025 09:23, Sqirrel99 wrote:
    Champ wrote:
    It was on the dyno yesterday,
    and still makes 128bhp [from the] (mildly) tuned motor
    which ain't bad really

    My stock L1 made a disappointing 102bhp at the wheel, despite supposedly
    having the same spec engine as the K (compared to the J, which was
    restricted to 100bhp - presumably 'at the crank' ?).

    My last (absolutely derelict) H1 made 95 - https://nronketti.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-great-zxr-bhp-sweepstake/
    - which surprised a lot of people, not least of all, me.

    With Champ's guess being closest.
    Maybe he knows stuff ?

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  • From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 12:42:51 2025
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    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 08:42:41 +0000, Sqirrel99
    <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

    Neil Ronketti wrote:
    On 25/11/2025 09:23, Sqirrel99 wrote:
    Champ wrote:
    It was on the dyno yesterday,
    and still makes 128bhp [from the] (mildly) tuned motor
    which ain't bad really

    My stock L1 made a disappointing 102bhp at the wheel, despite supposedly >>> having the same spec engine as the K (compared to the J, which was
    restricted to 100bhp - presumably 'at the crank' ?).

    My last (absolutely derelict) H1 made 95 -
    https://nronketti.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-great-zxr-bhp-sweepstake/
    - which surprised a lot of people, not least of all, me.

    With Champ's guess being closest.
    Maybe he knows stuff ?

    <taps side of nose>
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 14:33:59 2025
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    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 12:42:51 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 08:42:41 +0000, Sqirrel99
    <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

    Neil Ronketti wrote:

    My last (absolutely derelict) H1 made 95 -
    https://nronketti.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-great-zxr-bhp-sweepstake/ >>> - which surprised a lot of people, not least of all, me.

    With Champ's guess being closest.
    Maybe he knows stuff ?

    <taps side of nose>

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power? In principle I can't see why it
    should, assuming proper servicing.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From Mark Olson@olsonm@tiny.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 13:53:15 2025
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    Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power? In principle I can't see why it
    should, assuming proper servicing.

    The piston rings and bores wear, lowering compression.

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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 15:38:12 2025
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    On 26/11/2025 13:33, Ace wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 12:42:51 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 08:42:41 +0000, Sqirrel99
    <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

    Neil Ronketti wrote:

    My last (absolutely derelict) H1 made 95 -
    https://nronketti.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-great-zxr-bhp-sweepstake/ >>>> - which surprised a lot of people, not least of all, me.

    With Champ's guess being closest.
    Maybe he knows stuff ?

    <taps side of nose>

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power? In principle I can't see why it
    should, assuming proper servicing.

    It's not really the age in this case. The L1 and H1 are distinctly
    different engines in terms of bore, stroke, ignition map, rev limit, all
    sorts of things. Champ's goes one stage further with the flatslide carbs (which were standard on the K and M models) and the lovely exhaust system.
    --
    nr.
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 18:10:39 2025
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    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:38:12 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    On 26/11/2025 13:33, Ace wrote:

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power? In principle I can't see why it
    should, assuming proper servicing.

    It's not really the age in this case. The L1 and H1 are distinctly
    different engines in terms of bore, stroke, ignition map, rev limit, all >sorts of things. Champ's goes one stage further with the flatslide carbs >(which were standard on the K and M models) and the lovely exhaust system.

    I wasn't thinking of the comparison between two quite clearly
    different engines, more the fact that so many of the guesses were
    massively lower than the original claimed figure. I mean, obviously
    some of them were joking, but even the winning guess was still 10%
    lower than the claimed output as new.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From Sol@solcambs@gmail.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 18:14:32 2025
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    On 26/11/2025 17:10, Ace wrote:

    I wasn't thinking of the comparison between two quite clearly
    different engines, more the fact that so many of the guesses were
    massively lower than the original claimed figure. I mean, obviously
    some of them were joking, but even the winning guess was still 10%
    lower than the claimed output as new.

    Ahhh, perhaps the engine bhp versus rear wheel bhp hype. I think
    manufacturers of motorcyles have historically quoted more bhp than your average punter can measure at their local dyno. If you put an old bike
    on a dyno, typcially it will read less than expected. It becomes
    compounded by the fact the engine is of the pre-mobile phone era, has
    probably lost 5% power just being coked up, and worn. Servicing can
    help, but not all parts that wear are in the service schedule.
    --
    Sol
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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 19:04:44 2025
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    On 26/11/2025 17:10, Ace wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:38:12 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    On 26/11/2025 13:33, Ace wrote:

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power? In principle I can't see why it
    should, assuming proper servicing.

    It's not really the age in this case. The L1 and H1 are distinctly
    different engines in terms of bore, stroke, ignition map, rev limit, all
    sorts of things. Champ's goes one stage further with the flatslide carbs
    (which were standard on the K and M models) and the lovely exhaust system.

    I wasn't thinking of the comparison between two quite clearly
    different engines, more the fact that so many of the guesses were
    massively lower than the original claimed figure. I mean, obviously
    some of them were joking, but even the winning guess was still 10%
    lower than the claimed output as new.

    Ah, right - yes, I get you - sorry, I completely misunderstood the
    previous message! Yeah, there were a few low guess there. My guestimate
    was probably around 90bhp, given that Kawasaki quoted something like
    100bhp new for the ZXR750H1, and that would have been optimistic even
    for a new bike! I was very surprised when it made 95, given that all I'd
    done really was an oil change and a carb setup on an otherwise stock,
    but rather old and neglected bike with something like 60000 miles on it.

    Good engines, those 750s.
    --
    nr.
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  • From PipL@pip@nowhere.nul to uk.rec.motorcycles on Wed Nov 26 20:52:50 2025
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    On 26/11/2025 13:33, Ace wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 12:42:51 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 08:42:41 +0000, Sqirrel99
    <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

    Neil Ronketti wrote:

    My last (absolutely derelict) H1 made 95 -
    https://nronketti.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-great-zxr-bhp-sweepstake/ >>>> - which surprised a lot of people, not least of all, me.

    With Champ's guess being closest.
    Maybe he knows stuff ?

    <taps side of nose>

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power? In principle I can't see why it
    should, assuming proper servicing.

    Maybe factories were a little more flexible with the truth? A blueprint
    motor running under ideal conditions on a calibrated dyno measuring
    power directly at the crank (and, if what I hear many years ago is true) powering no ancillaries including the gearbox.
    --

    CHUMP #1 (CHarge Up Muppet)

    Pip
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Thu Nov 27 17:28:58 2025
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    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 19:04:44 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    On 26/11/2025 17:10, Ace wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 15:38:12 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    On 26/11/2025 13:33, Ace wrote:

    AAMOI is there a general perception that an older enging would
    neccessarily make much less power?

    Ah, right - yes, I get you - sorry, I completely misunderstood the
    previous message!

    I hadn't noticed the amiguity, of course as you now relise I meant an
    angine that had done more miles rather than an older design.

    And I see that PipL and Sol have also commented about the crank vs
    wheel measurements and manufactiorers claims, so I now get why so many
    of the guesse were low.

    I was very surprised when it made 95, given that all I'd
    done really was an oil change and a carb setup on an otherwise stock,
    but rather old and neglected bike with something like 60000 miles on it.

    Heh. I'm pretty sure that some cars I've had over the years have got
    faster after the first 20k or so, nicely broken in, sort of thing, but
    that's a lot for a bike engine, for sure, so yeah, quite a result
    really.

    Did you keep it running for long after that point?
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Fri Nov 28 00:05:53 2025
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    On 27/11/2025 16:28, Ace wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 19:04:44 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:


    I was very surprised when it made 95, given that all I'd
    done really was an oil change and a carb setup on an otherwise stock,
    but rather old and neglected bike with something like 60000 miles on it.

    Heh. I'm pretty sure that some cars I've had over the years have got
    faster after the first 20k or so, nicely broken in, sort of thing, but
    that's a lot for a bike engine, for sure, so yeah, quite a result
    really.

    Did you keep it running for long after that point?

    Oh yes! I had it for a couple of years, toured a bit on it, and took it
    up to Cadwell Park for some fun and games.

    And then I swapped it for an even more derelict TRX850 that was
    delivered in boxes. That was a great bike, but that's another story :)
    --
    nr.
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  • From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Fri Nov 28 13:20:31 2025
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    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:05:53 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    <of NR's ZXR750>

    Did you keep it running for long after that point?

    Oh yes! I had it for a couple of years, toured a bit on it, and took it
    up to Cadwell Park for some fun and games.

    And then I swapped it for an even more derelict TRX850 that was
    delivered in boxes. That was a great bike, but that's another story :)

    One of the worse decisions you've ever made!

    That ZXR, wherever it is, is an appreciating classic now. The TRX
    (even if you still had it, which I know you don't) is, and never will
    be, anyone's idea of a classic
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From wessie@willnotwork@tesco.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Fri Nov 28 13:24:04 2025
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    Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:4a8jikleb7hcqj37o3aqcshthkgp9oovac@ 4ax.com:

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:05:53 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    <of NR's ZXR750>

    Did you keep it running for long after that point?

    Oh yes! I had it for a couple of years, toured a bit on it, and took it
    up to Cadwell Park for some fun and games.

    And then I swapped it for an even more derelict TRX850 that was
    delivered in boxes. That was a great bike, but that's another story :)

    One of the worse decisions you've ever made!

    That ZXR, wherever it is, is an appreciating classic now. The TRX
    (even if you still had it, which I know you don't) is, and never will
    be, anyone's idea of a classic

    no, the bike with that engine that is a classic is the Mk2 TDM850

    :P
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Fri Nov 28 17:00:52 2025
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    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 13:24:04 -0000 (UTC), wessie
    <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

    Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:4a8jikleb7hcqj37o3aqcshthkgp9oovac@ >4ax.com:

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:05:53 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    <of NR's ZXR750>

    Did you keep it running for long after that point?

    Oh yes! I had it for a couple of years, toured a bit on it, and took it >>>up to Cadwell Park for some fun and games.

    And then I swapped it for an even more derelict TRX850 that was >>>delivered in boxes. That was a great bike, but that's another story :)

    One of the worse decisions you've ever made!

    That ZXR, wherever it is, is an appreciating classic now. The TRX
    (even if you still had it, which I know you don't) is, and never will
    be, anyone's idea of a classic

    no, the bike with that engine that is a classic is the Mk2 TDM850

    :P

    Yeah, "classic" may be pushing it. I had the Mk1, would have kept it
    except I lost my licence for some time, long enough that it made no
    sense to keep it.

    Never understood what was supposed to be better about the 270 deg
    crank version, the original 180 engine was an absolute gem, IMO.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From wessie@willnotwork@tesco.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Fri Nov 28 16:38:00 2025
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    Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in
    news:thhjiktgnb98k9vt0j2o15c3hk1ufmr20u@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 13:24:04 -0000 (UTC), wessie
    no, the bike with that engine that is a classic is the Mk2 TDM850

    :P

    Yeah, "classic" may be pushing it. I had the Mk1, would have kept it
    except I lost my licence for some time, long enough that it made no
    sense to keep it.

    Never understood what was supposed to be better about the 270 deg
    crank version, the original 180 engine was an absolute gem, IMO.

    well, the 270 crank has become the standard for parallel twins across
    multiple makes

    As for the TDM Mk2, I rode a mk1 demo bike and bought the mk2 in 1996. The
    big difference was actally the improved suspension and brakes. For the mk2 they took the forks and brakes from the FZR600 and modified then for what
    is now called a tall rounder, and quite a popular format. The rear had 2 springs on the shock and you flipped a lever to add the shorter spring if
    you had a pillion or luggage.

    The engine made a different noise, mimicking a V twin. About 10% more power and a bit more torque.

    I later had the XT1200Z Super Tenere that used pretty much the same engine design.
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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Fri Nov 28 20:39:55 2025
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    On 28/11/2025 13:20, Champ wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:05:53 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    <of NR's ZXR750>

    Did you keep it running for long after that point?

    Oh yes! I had it for a couple of years, toured a bit on it, and took it
    up to Cadwell Park for some fun and games.

    And then I swapped it for an even more derelict TRX850 that was
    delivered in boxes. That was a great bike, but that's another story :)

    One of the worse decisions you've ever made!

    That ZXR, wherever it is, is an appreciating classic now. The TRX
    (even if you still had it, which I know you don't) is, and never will
    be, anyone's idea of a classic

    Oh heck, that TRX in particular was never going to be a classic as it
    was *so* heavily modified anyway. But I've never been hung up on the
    'keeping something in the garage in case it becomes collectible' idea.
    If I was, I'd certainly have kept the 14 TZR250s and the Morini Dart
    alongside the ZXR. But I needed the space in the garage for new
    projects, so they all went.

    I miss that little Morini though.
    --
    nr.

    --
    nr.
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 01:44:48 2025
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    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 20:39:55 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    Oh heck, that TRX in particular was never going to be a classic as it
    was *so* heavily modified anyway. But I've never been hung up on the >'keeping something in the garage in case it becomes collectible' idea.
    If I was, I'd certainly have kept the 14 TZR250s and the Morini Dart >alongside the ZXR. But I needed the space in the garage for new
    projects, so they all went.

    I miss that little Morini though.

    The one bike I kinda wish I'd kept was the XT500 I had from 1978 to
    around 1981 (although it was off the road for a lot of that time -
    long story). I'm sure it would be an underpowered heavy old POS that
    would cripple me if I were to ride it these days, but yeah, I kinda
    miss it.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From Pete Fisher@nospam@nospam.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 07:40:33 2025
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    On 28/11/2025 20:39, Neil Ronketti wrote:

    Oh heck, that TRX in particular was never going to be a classic as it
    was *so* heavily modified anyway. But I've never been hung up on the 'keeping something in the garage in case it becomes collectible' idea.
    If I was, I'd certainly have kept the 14 TZR250s and the Morini Dart alongside the ZXR. But I needed the space in the garage for new
    projects, so they all went.

    I miss that little Morini though.


    A wee vee Morini of some type has taken up space in my garage since
    1975. Never had a Dart though. The current example falls squarely in to
    the heavily modified camp, so not a 'classic'. Only had it a mere 43
    years. The new 350 Sport certainly doesn't appeal. Wrong V angle.

    https://motomorini.eu/en-uk/model/350-sport/
    --
    Moto Morini 2C/375
    Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
    Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
    "Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"
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  • From Simon Wilson@siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 11:53:36 2025
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    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.
    --
    /Simon

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  • From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 12:54:21 2025
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    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 11:53:36 +0000, Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships. I'd
    guess Sweller and his Guzzi falls into the same thing.

    I've not owned any bike anything like that long. Longest would be my
    ZX10R, which must be about 20 years now
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From wessie@willnotwork@tesco.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 13:01:19 2025
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    Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:73rlik9fkp5552d3glqqsnd9or6s1ica3f@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 11:53:36 +0000, Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships. I'd
    guess Sweller and his Guzzi falls into the same thing.

    I've not owned any bike anything like that long. Longest would be my
    ZX10R, which must be about 20 years now

    24

    you had it when we went to Lake Maggiore etc, in 2011

    check your Swiss and German receipts.
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  • From wessie@willnotwork@tesco.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 14:22:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote in news:XnsB3A68478323EBwtymmmsas@157.180.91.226:

    Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in
    news:73rlik9fkp5552d3glqqsnd9or6s1ica3f@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 11:53:36 +0000, Simon Wilson
    <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.
    I'd guess Sweller and his Guzzi falls into the same thing.

    I've not owned any bike anything like that long. Longest would be my
    ZX10R, which must be about 20 years now

    24

    you had it when we went to Lake Maggiore etc, in 2011

    check your Swiss and German receipts.

    oops, my brain has atrophied after over 2 years of retirement
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  • From Mike Fleming@mike@tauzero.co.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 16:13:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 29/11/2025 12:54, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 11:53:36 +0000, Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships. I'd
    guess Sweller and his Guzzi falls into the same thing.

    I've not owned any bike anything like that long. Longest would be my
    ZX10R, which must be about 20 years now

    30 years for my Trident 900.
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  • From cat@cat@where.here to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 17:47:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 29/11/2025 12:54, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 11:53:36 +0000, Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships. I'd
    guess Sweller and his Guzzi falls into the same thing.

    I've not owned any bike anything like that long. Longest would be my
    ZX10R, which must be about 20 years now

    I would DEFINITELY still have the thundercat if some melon Dr hadn't run
    it down when it was parked. I'm still devastated by the loss of that.
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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 20:29:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 29/11/2025 12:54, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 11:53:36 +0000, Simon Wilson <siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 29/11/2025 07:40, Pete Fisher wrote:
    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships. I'd
    guess Sweller and his Guzzi falls into the same thing.

    I've not owned any bike anything like that long. Longest would be my
    ZX10R, which must be about 20 years now

    Blimey, I think my longest is three or four years or so. I think I had
    the 748 for three-ish years. And most of the ZXRs hung around a while.

    The current brace is about 2.5 years for the Scram, and one month for
    the K1600. And while technically I do still own the festering turd of a KLR650, it's sitting in Sol's barn and very much for sale. I'll take
    bets that in 20 years I'll still own it, and it'll still be for sale. I
    can't help grudgingly being impressed with the fact that after all it's
    been through, it's still able to get me out of trouble when I get out of
    my depth on muddy trails.
    --
    nr.
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  • From Mark Olson@olsonm@tiny.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 23:01:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    Neil Ronketti <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    The current brace is about 2.5 years for the Scram, and one month for
    the K1600. And while technically I do still own the festering turd of a KLR650, it's sitting in Sol's barn and very much for sale. I'll take
    bets that in 20 years I'll still own it, and it'll still be for sale. I can't help grudgingly being impressed with the fact that after all it's
    been through, it's still able to get me out of trouble when I get out of
    my depth on muddy trails.

    A fellow KLR650 owner!

    Mine's a 2006, still kicking. It really exemplifies the phrase "jack
    of all trades, master of none".

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  • From Higgins@the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 23:12:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
    Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in
    news:thhjiktgnb98k9vt0j2o15c3hk1ufmr20u@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 13:24:04 -0000 (UTC), wessie
    no, the bike with that engine that is a classic is the Mk2 TDM850

    :P

    Yeah, "classic" may be pushing it. I had the Mk1, would have kept it
    except I lost my licence for some time, long enough that it made no
    sense to keep it.

    Never understood what was supposed to be better about the 270 deg
    crank version, the original 180 engine was an absolute gem, IMO.

    well, the 270 crank has become the standard for parallel twins across multiple makes

    As for the TDM Mk2,

    I got a blue light escort through Djibouti a couple of years ago and was
    quite surprised that they were still using TDMs.
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  • From Neil Ronketti@neil@ronketti.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sat Nov 29 23:50:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 29/11/2025 23:01, Mark Olson wrote:
    Neil Ronketti <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    The current brace is about 2.5 years for the Scram, and one month for
    the K1600. And while technically I do still own the festering turd of a
    KLR650, it's sitting in Sol's barn and very much for sale. I'll take
    bets that in 20 years I'll still own it, and it'll still be for sale. I
    can't help grudgingly being impressed with the fact that after all it's
    been through, it's still able to get me out of trouble when I get out of
    my depth on muddy trails.

    A fellow KLR650 owner!

    Mine's a 2006, still kicking. It really exemplifies the phrase "jack
    of all trades, master of none".

    Mine is the KLR of Theseus. I have no clue really how old most of it is.
    The original frame was scrapped when I found out just how bent it was.
    The engine is, I think, 1995. Or at least the case with the engine
    number is. The replacement frame was from a '96 but I then changed the
    forks and swinging arm.

    Judging by the looks, the bodywork is from 1732.
    --
    nr.
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  • From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 12:32:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 23:12:48 -0000 (UTC), Higgins <the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:

    wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

    As for the TDM Mk2,

    I got a blue light escort through Djibouti a couple of years ago and was >quite surprised that they were still using TDMs.

    I'm assuming here that "blue light escort" is not in fact a euphenism?
    :-)
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 12:35:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 23:50:23 +0000, Neil Ronketti
    <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    Mine is the KLR of Theseus. I have no clue really how old most of it is.
    The original frame was scrapped when I found out just how bent it was.
    The engine is, I think, 1995. Or at least the case with the engine
    number is. The replacement frame was from a '96 but I then changed the
    forks and swinging arm.

    Judging by the looks, the bodywork is from 1732.

    heh
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From Champ@neal@champ.org.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 12:38:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!
    --
    Champ
    neal at champ dot org dot uk

    I don't know, but I been told
    You never slow down, you never grow old
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 14:38:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 30/11/2025 12:32, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 23:12:48 -0000 (UTC), Higgins <the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:

    wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

    As for the TDM Mk2,

    I got a blue light escort through Djibouti a couple of years ago and was
    quite surprised that they were still using TDMs.

    I'm assuming here that "blue light escort" is not in fact a euphenism?
    :-)

    What?
    You mean for 'Red Light Escort'?

    Chris
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 14:43:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Hmm... I've had my guitar (Framus 12-string) for 55 years now (and I
    even played it last night amongst a group of friends[1]). I bought it
    2nd hand for -u50 which seemed a huge amount of money then.

    Longest bike ownership is about 20 years I guess? Hmmm..
    Yes, I tarted up the GS to take to the IoM in 2005 - my first trip over
    and I was hooked on the place.

    Chris

    [1] But to say it had been in continuous use would be incorrect :-/
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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  • From Colin Irvine@look@colinandpat.co.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 17:21:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 12:38:20 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Martin D18 and Gibson Ajr mid 70s for me.
    --
    Colin Irvine
    R1250RS
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Mark Olson@olsonm@tiny.invalid to uk.rec.motorcycles on Sun Nov 30 21:32:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    Neil Ronketti <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:
    On 29/11/2025 23:01, Mark Olson wrote:
    Neil Ronketti <neil@ronketti.invalid> wrote:

    [re: KLR650]

    Mine's a 2006, still kicking. It really exemplifies the phrase "jack
    of all trades, master of none".

    Mine is the KLR of Theseus. I have no clue really how old most of it is.
    The original frame was scrapped when I found out just how bent it was.
    The engine is, I think, 1995. Or at least the case with the engine
    number is. The replacement frame was from a '96 but I then changed the
    forks and swinging arm.

    I forget what the cutoff date is, but the earlier engine cases up to about
    94 or 95 could be retrofitted with the kick start gubbins from the original KLR600.

    Judging by the looks, the bodywork is from 1732.

    The bodywork on mine came from at least two donor bikes, but I'm not
    precious about things like that. I do like everything mechanical to
    be shipshape.

    If you ever fancy "doing the doohickey", I can drop by my Icelandic
    friend's place in Reykjavik and retrieve the special tools I lent him
    for that job, and drop them off at yours... Any excuse for another
    trip is a good one.
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  • From Pete Fisher@nospam@nospam.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 07:31:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Up until the house move three years ago I did have a Jedson D9000
    Acoustic guitar that I bought in 1986. Purchased to learn the three
    chord trick, so that I could strum along with SWMBO in folk sessions. I
    never could play it very well and after the off at Loton left my ring
    finger unable to hold down a string to form chords, not being a musical
    genius like Django Reinhardt I couldn't adapt.

    The Morini used to be featured specifically in my will, but as the
    (unaware) beneficiary has recently given up riding motorcycles I had it removed when our wills were redrafted. I would never sell it, so the lad
    will be faced with disposing of it.

    I still have my late father's Hardy Richard Walker Reservoir Superlite
    fly fishing rod from the early 70's and his Marquis reel. Didn't get
    much use this year due to the heat and drought, but "if Winter comes,
    can Spring be far behind?"
    --
    Moto Morini 2C/375
    Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
    Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
    "Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 10:30:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 14:43:24 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:

    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Hmm... I've had my guitar (Framus 12-string) for 55 years now (and I
    even played it last night amongst a group of friends[1]). I bought it
    2nd hand for u50 which seemed a huge amount of money then.

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars. I don't think I was fully aware of how much of
    a difference they made until I played a couple of borrowed 12-strings
    when I went over for Jude's send-off and Neal's wedding in April/May.

    The other guitars were... OK, I guess.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 15:22:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 01/12/2025 09:30, Ace wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 14:43:24 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:

    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Hmm... I've had my guitar (Framus 12-string) for 55 years now (and I
    even played it last night amongst a group of friends[1]). I bought it
    2nd hand for -u50 which seemed a huge amount of money then.

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars.

    Yes, you had a Martin!
    < jealous >

    Chris
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 15:23:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 30/11/2025 17:21, Colin Irvine wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 12:38:20 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Martin D18 and Gibson Ajr mid 70s for me.

    Oh, another Martin!
    < also jealous >

    Chris
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Colin Irvine@look@colinandpat.co.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 15:26:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 15:23:51 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 30/11/2025 17:21, Colin Irvine wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 12:38:20 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Martin D18 and Gibson Ajr mid 70s for me.

    Oh, another Martin!
    < also jealous >

    Ah. I didn't mention my M36 as I didn't get that until 1984!
    --
    Colin Irvine
    R1250RS
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 15:26:53 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 01/12/2025 07:31, Pete Fisher wrote:
    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'.-a The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s.-a I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Up until the house move three years ago I did have a Jedson D9000
    Acoustic guitar that I bought in 1986. Purchased to learn the three
    chord trick, so that I could strum along with SWMBO in folk sessions. I never could play it very well and after the off at Loton left my ring
    finger unable to hold down a string to form chords, not being a musical genius like Django Reinhardt I couldn't adapt.

    The Morini used to be featured specifically in my will, but as the
    (unaware) beneficiary has recently given up riding motorcycles I had it removed when our wills were redrafted. I would never sell it, so the lad will be faced with disposing of it.

    I still have my late father's Hardy Richard Walker Reservoir Superlite
    fly fishing rod from the early 70's and his Marquis reel. Didn't get
    much use this year due to the heat and drought, but "if Winter comes,
    can Spring be far behind?"
    I have two fishing rods made from WWII radio aerials that I was given
    for my sons by a long deceased neighbour.
    Do they count?
    Are they worth anything?
    :-/

    Chris
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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  • From Mike Fleming@mike@tauzero.co.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 17:22:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 01/12/2025 09:30, Ace wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 14:43:24 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:

    longevity of relationships with 'things'. The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s. I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Hmm... I've had my guitar (Framus 12-string) for 55 years now (and I
    even played it last night amongst a group of friends[1]). I bought it
    2nd hand for -u50 which seemed a huge amount of money then.

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars. I don't think I was fully aware of how much of
    a difference they made until I played a couple of borrowed 12-strings
    when I went over for Jude's send-off and Neal's wedding in April/May.

    The other guitars were... OK, I guess.

    My Eko Ranger 6 has been with me since the early 1980s. It gets used for practicing for open mics with Kaz. Basswise, I've had my Warwick JD
    Thumb since 1988 but it doesn't get much use since I switched to
    5-strings in 2007 - just the odd open mic for old times' sake. I
    wouldn't like to part with it though.
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 20:46:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 15:22:28 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 09:30, Ace wrote:

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars.

    Yes, you had a Martin!

    Eh?

    No, I've never had a Martin.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From Chris Deuchar@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 1 22:31:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 01/12/2025 19:46, Ace wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 15:22:28 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 09:30, Ace wrote:

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars.

    Yes, you had a Martin!

    Eh?

    No, I've never had a Martin.

    Whoops! Mixed up my attributions - obvs I meant Guild :-)

    Chris
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  • From Ace@Ace@ch.com to uk.rec.motorcycles on Tue Dec 2 01:28:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 1 Dec 2025 22:31:52 GMT, Chris Deuchar <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 19:46, Ace wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 15:22:28 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 09:30, Ace wrote:

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars.

    Yes, you had a Martin!

    Eh?

    No, I've never had a Martin.

    Whoops! Mixed up my attributions - obvs I meant Guild :-)

    It's an F212. And I still have it, as per the rest of this thread.
    Just recently fitted a sound-hole pickup to i, one of thies, with both
    a electromagnetic pickup and an internal microphone to help preserve
    the tone.
    https://fishman.com/dp/rare-earth-mic-blend-soundhole-pickup/

    Together with a Marshall AD50 acoustic amp, did a couple of sessions
    this summer. Got my repertoire up to about 50 songs now. Latest
    additions include Sweet Home Alabama and Killing Me Softly, an
    eclectic mix, also featuring some Bowie and a coupld of Tom Petty
    songs, just to balance out the Simon and Garfunkel and Ralph McTell
    I've been playing for nigh on 50 years.
    --
    Ace
    http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/
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  • From Pete Fisher@nospam@nospam.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Tue Dec 2 07:49:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 01/12/2025 15:26, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 07:31, Pete Fisher wrote:
    On 30/11/2025 12:38, Champ wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 12:54:21 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

    Only had it a mere 43.

    49 years for my Beeza.

    I do slightly envy you too for the longevity of these ownerships.

    I didn't add the reason for this sense of envy

    I imagine there's some sense of continuity and value from the
    longevity of relationships with 'things'.-a The longest such example I
    have is with a guitar[1], which I got in the early 90s.-a I'm pretty
    confident I'll still own it when I die

    [1] Jackson soloist [2]
    [2] which I won in a competition!

    Up until the house move three years ago I did have a Jedson D9000
    Acoustic guitar that I bought in 1986. Purchased to learn the three
    chord trick, so that I could strum along with SWMBO in folk sessions.
    I never could play it very well and after the off at Loton left my
    ring finger unable to hold down a string to form chords, not being a
    musical genius like Django Reinhardt I couldn't adapt.

    The Morini used to be featured specifically in my will, but as the
    (unaware) beneficiary has recently given up riding motorcycles I had
    it removed when our wills were redrafted. I would never sell it, so
    the lad will be faced with disposing of it.

    I still have my late father's Hardy Richard Walker Reservoir Superlite
    fly fishing rod from the early 70's and his Marquis reel. Didn't get
    much use this year due to the heat and drought, but "if Winter comes,
    can Spring be far behind?"
    I have two fishing rods made from WWII radio aerials that I was given
    for my sons by a long deceased neighbour.
    Do they count?
    Are they worth anything?
    :-/

    Chris


    <Straight Bat Mode>

    There's a long thread on a fishing forum about rods made from aerials.
    In the UK, aerials possibly made by Accles & Pollocks, who also produced tubular steel fishing rods as such.

    "theres three versions of "tank" arial rods spoken about ,theres the
    very early accles and pollock steel rods that were arials (not tank
    ones) then there were the later steel rods from the company that
    definately were not (the taperflashes etc) ,then there were real tank
    arials used to make rods ,two versions push in joints and screw in joints"

    See also:

    https://madeinoldbury.co.uk/articles/accles-pollock/

    They used to be on my patch when at work. Tube experts. One story is
    that an American tube manufacturer once sent them "the world's smallest diameter stainless steel tube". A & P sent it back to them, with one
    they had made inside it.


    Value?

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204004891039

    </SBM>

    Take them to an 'Antiques Roadshow'. Must be worth more than some of the
    tat people turn up with.
    --
    Moto Morini 2C/375
    Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
    Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
    "Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Tue Dec 2 09:43:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 02/12/2025 00:28, Ace wrote:
    On 1 Dec 2025 22:31:52 GMT, Chris Deuchar <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 19:46, Ace wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 15:22:28 +0000, "chrisnd @ukrm"
    <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 01/12/2025 09:30, Ace wrote:

    I think you win. I bought my Ibanez 6-string acoustic brand new in
    1980. My 1969 Guild 12-string was acquired about 1991.

    Both wonderful guitars.

    Yes, you had a Martin!

    Eh?

    No, I've never had a Martin.

    Whoops! Mixed up my attributions - obvs I meant Guild :-)

    It's an F212. And I still have it, as per the rest of this thread.
    Just recently fitted a sound-hole pickup to i, one of thies, with both
    a electromagnetic pickup and an internal microphone to help preserve
    the tone.
    https://fishman.com/dp/rare-earth-mic-blend-soundhole-pickup/

    That's pretty cool tech.

    Together with a Marshall AD50 acoustic amp, did a couple of sessions
    this summer. Got my repertoire up to about 50 songs now. Latest
    additions include Sweet Home Alabama and Killing Me Softly, an
    eclectic mix, also featuring some Bowie and a coupld of Tom Petty
    songs, just to balance out the Simon and Garfunkel and Ralph McTell
    I've been playing for nigh on 50 years.

    As I've got older, I've become more of a believer in the need to keep
    doing stuff. Doesn't matter what, just do stuff!

    Chris
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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  • From chrisnd @ukrm@chrisnd@privacy.net to uk.rec.motorcycles on Tue Dec 2 09:47:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 02/12/2025 07:49, Pete Fisher wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 15:26, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
    On 01/12/2025 07:31, Pete Fisher wrote:
    <snip>

    I still have my late father's Hardy Richard Walker Reservoir
    Superlite fly fishing rod from the early 70's and his Marquis reel.
    Didn't get much use this year due to the heat and drought, but "if
    Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?"
    I have two fishing rods made from WWII radio aerials that I was given
    for my sons by a long deceased neighbour.
    Do they count?
    Are they worth anything?
    :-/

    Chris


    <Straight Bat Mode>

    There's a long thread on a fishing forum about rods made from aerials.
    In the UK, aerials possibly made by Accles & Pollocks, who also produced tubular steel fishing rods as such.

    "theres three versions of "tank" arial rods spoken about ,theres the
    very early accles and pollock steel rods that were arials (not tank
    ones) then there were the later steel rods from the company that
    definately were not (the taperflashes etc) ,then there were real tank
    arials used to make rods ,two versions push in joints and screw in joints"

    See also:

    https://madeinoldbury.co.uk/articles/accles-pollock/

    They used to be on my patch when at work. Tube experts. One story is
    that an American tube manufacturer once sent them "the world's smallest diameter stainless steel tube". A & P sent it back to them, with one
    they had made inside it.

    Nice!

    Value?

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204004891039

    </SBM>

    Yeah, about what I thought :-/

    Take them to an 'Antiques Roadshow'. Must be worth more than some of the
    tat people turn up with.

    :-)

    Chris
    --
    The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
    Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550T
    https://www.Deuchars.org.uk
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  • From Mike Fleming@mike@tauzero.co.uk to uk.rec.motorcycles on Mon Dec 8 21:44:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.rec.motorcycles

    On 02/12/2025 09:43, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
    On 02/12/2025 00:28, Ace wrote:

    Together with a Marshall AD50 acoustic amp, did a couple of sessions
    this summer. Got my repertoire up to about 50 songs now. Latest
    additions include Sweet Home Alabama and Killing Me Softly, an
    eclectic mix, also featuring some Bowie and a coupld of Tom Petty
    songs, just to balance out the Simon and Garfunkel and Ralph McTell
    I've been playing for nigh on 50 years.

    As I've got older, I've become more of a believer in the need to keep
    doing stuff.-a Doesn't matter what, just do stuff!

    Me too - mainly musical, gigging with two bands and doing open mics two
    or three nights a week.
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