No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't
get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system (Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported
since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many
evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
The weather station on St Michael's Mount went offline at 6.20pm just
after reporting a wind speed of 139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 08:14:30 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
The weather station on St Michael's Mount went offline at 6.20pm just
after reporting a wind speed of 139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
Electricity supply to that area reported off at moment. Estimated
restoration time/date 10:00pm, Saturday, 10th January 2026.
https://powercuts.nationalgrid.co.uk/SWE/INCD-79558-l
Supply problems across the area.
No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't
get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system >(Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported
since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be >interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many >evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
PS: I've just noticed that my neighbour has had about thirty feet of
fencing blown flat in one continuous length, the wooden posts just
snapped off at ground level. Not my boundary, fortunately. I suspect
they were 'treated' posts (i.e. dipped rapidly into a tank of
preservative or some-such process). It shows the advantage of concrete
posts!
PS: I've just noticed that my neighbour has had about thirty feet of
fencing blown flat in one continuous length, the wooden posts just
snapped off at ground level. Not my boundary, fortunately. I suspect
they were 'treated' posts (i.e. dipped rapidly into a tank of
preservative or some-such process). It shows the advantage of concrete
posts!
On 10 Jan 2026 at 09:23:09 GMT, Chris Hogg wrote:
PS: I've just noticed that my neighbour has had about thirty feet of
fencing blown flat in one continuous length, the wooden posts just
snapped off at ground level. Not my boundary, fortunately. I suspect
they were 'treated' posts (i.e. dipped rapidly into a tank of
preservative or some-such process). It shows the advantage of concrete
posts!
If you haven't already, maybe consider fencing that lets the wind through to some extent -
https://www.jacksons-fencing.co.uk/the-edit/a-fence-exposed-to-strong-winds
The vertical slats type all the rage round here.
Agreed on the concrete post - not the prettiest but sturdy.
On 10/01/2026 09:23, Chris Hogg wrote:
PS: I've just noticed that my neighbour has had about thirty feet of
fencing blown flat in one continuous length, the wooden posts just
snapped off at ground level. Not my boundary, fortunately. I suspect
they were 'treated' posts (i.e. dipped rapidly into a tank of
preservative or some-such process). It shows the advantage of concrete
posts!
Possibly, but if something's got to give and you've got concrete posts, >it'll be the fence panels. They're more expensive to replace than
treated posts!
On 10/01/2026 10:13, RJH wrote:
On 10 Jan 2026 at 09:23:09 GMT, Chris Hogg wrote:
PS: I've just noticed that my neighbour has had about thirty feet of
fencing blown flat in one continuous length, the wooden posts just
snapped off at ground level. Not my boundary, fortunately. I suspect
they were 'treated' posts (i.e. dipped rapidly into a tank of
preservative or some-such process). It shows the advantage of concrete
posts!
If you haven't already, maybe consider fencing that lets the wind through to >> some extent -
https://www.jacksons-fencing.co.uk/the-edit/a-fence-exposed-to-strong-winds >>
The vertical slats type all the rage round here.
Agreed on the concrete post - not the prettiest but sturdy.
Another tip.
The failure mode of panels tends to be bowing to the extend of breaking
the top rail and pulling away from posts.
On 10 Jan 2026 at 09:23:09 GMT, Chris Hogg wrote:
PS: I've just noticed that my neighbour has had about thirty feet of
fencing blown flat in one continuous length, the wooden posts just
snapped off at ground level. Not my boundary, fortunately. I suspect
they were 'treated' posts (i.e. dipped rapidly into a tank of
preservative or some-such process). It shows the advantage of concrete
posts!
If you haven't already, maybe consider fencing that lets the wind through to some extent -
https://www.jacksons-fencing.co.uk/the-edit/a-fence-exposed-to-strong-winds
The vertical slats type all the rage round here.
Agreed on the concrete post - not the prettiest but sturdy.
No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't
get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system (Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported
since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
On 09/01/2026 08:14, Jeff Layman wrote:
No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't
get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system
(Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported
since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be
interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many
evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
Not too bad here, few broken glass panes all now fixed but some
gardening friends are facing devastating damage with some well known
gardens likely to be closed for the foreseeable future Trewithen,
Tremenheer, st Michaels Mount and Tresco. It was some blow we are miles inland but still have loads of salt on our windows. For us this was a
lot worse than 1987!
On 11/01/2026 22:46, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 09/01/2026 08:14, Jeff Layman wrote:
No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't
get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system
(Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported
since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be
interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many
evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
Not too bad here, few broken glass panes all now fixed but some
gardening friends are facing devastating damage with some well known
gardens likely to be closed for the foreseeable future Trewithen,
Tremenheer, st Michaels Mount and Tresco. It was some blow we are miles
inland but still have loads of salt on our windows. For us this was a
lot worse than 1987!
Good to hear that you weren't too badly hit. Hopefully any salt damage
will go when new leaves appear.
The damage at Tresco is terrible. There are a few photos here: ><https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=906880922277759&set=pcb.906881792277672>,
with a general discussion of what happened to some Cornwall gardens here: ><https://gardenrant.com/2026/01/storm-goretti-carnage-in-the-gardens-of-cornwall.html>
It's going to take more than a few years to get those gardens back to
even a semblance of what they were. And then you've got the issue of
whether or not these storms will be more frequent. If they are, then
most evergreen tall trees won't be an option.
On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 08:49:02 +0000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 11/01/2026 22:46, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 09/01/2026 08:14, Jeff Layman wrote:
No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't
get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system >>>> (Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported
since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be >>>> interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many
evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
Not too bad here, few broken glass panes all now fixed but some
gardening friends are facing devastating damage with some well known
gardens likely to be closed for the foreseeable future Trewithen,
Tremenheer, st Michaels Mount and Tresco. It was some blow we are miles
inland but still have loads of salt on our windows. For us this was a
lot worse than 1987!
Good to hear that you weren't too badly hit. Hopefully any salt damage
will go when new leaves appear.
The damage at Tresco is terrible. There are a few photos here:
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=906880922277759&set=pcb.906881792277672>,
with a general discussion of what happened to some Cornwall gardens here:
<https://gardenrant.com/2026/01/storm-goretti-carnage-in-the-gardens-of-cornwall.html>
It's going to take more than a few years to get those gardens back to
even a semblance of what they were. And then you've got the issue of
whether or not these storms will be more frequent. If they are, then
most evergreen tall trees won't be an option.
Mike Nelham's book on Tresco Abbey Gardens (published by Dyllansow
Truran, 2000) has a chapter (p.93) on the destruction to the garden by
the hurricane of 1990. He says that wind speeds of 127mph were
recorded, easily comparable to Goretti. An entire shelter-belt of
ancient Monterey pines was flattened, opening up the rest of the
garden to the devastating force of the hurricane. They lost 800 trees!
But to their credit, after all the damage had been cleared away, they
took advantage of all the gaps that appeared, and replanted with new
species and varieties. No doubt they will again after Goretti.
See https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781850221371/Tresco-Abbey-Garden-Personal-Pictorial-1850221375/plp
On 12/01/2026 12:05, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 08:49:02 +0000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 11/01/2026 22:46, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 09/01/2026 08:14, Jeff Layman wrote:
No particular problems here, but I hope that Chris and Charlie didn't >>>>> get hit too badly. I have access to an amateur weather reporting system >>>>> (Ecowitt) and see that quite a few Cornwall stations haven't reported >>>>> since midnight or even earlier. The weather station on St Michael's
Mount went offline at 6.20pm just after reporting a wind speed of
139kph, with a gust peaking at 156kph!
I guess with that strength of wind from the south-west, it'll have
brought sea spray further inland than on many other occasions. It'll be >>>>> interesting to see if there is a problem with saltburn on the many
evergreens in the area, particularly those with thinner, non-waxy
leaves. That's if the wind left any of them on the plants!
Not too bad here, few broken glass panes all now fixed but some
gardening friends are facing devastating damage with some well known
gardens likely to be closed for the foreseeable future Trewithen,
Tremenheer, st Michaels Mount and Tresco. It was some blow we are miles >>>> inland but still have loads of salt on our windows. For us this was a
lot worse than 1987!
Good to hear that you weren't too badly hit. Hopefully any salt damage
will go when new leaves appear.
The damage at Tresco is terrible. There are a few photos here:
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=906880922277759&set=pcb.906881792277672>,
with a general discussion of what happened to some Cornwall gardens here: >>> <https://gardenrant.com/2026/01/storm-goretti-carnage-in-the-gardens-of-cornwall.html>
It's going to take more than a few years to get those gardens back to
even a semblance of what they were. And then you've got the issue of
whether or not these storms will be more frequent. If they are, then
most evergreen tall trees won't be an option.
Mike Nelham's book on Tresco Abbey Gardens (published by Dyllansow
Truran, 2000) has a chapter (p.93) on the destruction to the garden by
the hurricane of 1990. He says that wind speeds of 127mph were
recorded, easily comparable to Goretti. An entire shelter-belt of
ancient Monterey pines was flattened, opening up the rest of the
garden to the devastating force of the hurricane. They lost 800 trees!
But to their credit, after all the damage had been cleared away, they
took advantage of all the gaps that appeared, and replanted with new
species and varieties. No doubt they will again after Goretti.
See
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781850221371/Tresco-Abbey-Garden-Personal-Pictorial-1850221375/plp
Considering deep inside an ex-quarry, the Eden Project, central
Cornwall, had a number of downed trees. Apparently the
Buckminster-Fuller domes survived
Years ago I used to live within a mile of the Eden Project and watched
it being built. I could see the top of the main crane from my sitting
room window. In the beginning it was just an empty and barren china
clay pit. They had to bring in hundreds of tons of topsoil for all the plants, but it can't be very deep. The site is well established now,
with lush growth both inside and outside the domes, and I assume the
trees that fell were outside the domes.
-- Chris Gardening in West Cornwall, very mild, sheltered from the West,
but open to the North and East.
On 12/01/2026 16:08, Chris Hogg wrote:
Years ago I used to live within a mile of the Eden Project and watched
it being built. I could see the top of the main crane from my sitting
room window. In the beginning it was just an empty and barren china
clay pit. They had to bring in hundreds of tons of topsoil for all the
plants, but it can't be very deep. The site is well established now,
with lush growth both inside and outside the domes, and I assume the
trees that fell were outside the domes.
-- Chris Gardening in West Cornwall, very mild, sheltered from the West,
but open to the North and East.
When I visited I had to ask about how they drain the site, in a monsoon cloudburst situation, as down in a large hole in the ground .
They have multiple very large capacity pumps , only one is used to pump
the water up for the large waterfall, also pumping for geothermal
heating from a bore hole, grey water routine recycling (I noted the ironstone staining of the toilet pans) , bulk water storage underground
etc. The general ground level of the site, I think they said, was 3
metres below the surrounding watertable so more pumping for that. All going-a on unobserved by the visitors, except the waterfall.
The damage at Tresco is terrible. There are a few photos here: <https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=906880922277759&set=pcb.906881792277672>,
with a general discussion of what happened to some Cornwall gardens here: <https://gardenrant.com/2026/01/storm-goretti-carnage-in-the-gardens-of-cornwall.html>
It's going to take more than a few years to get those gardens back to
even a semblance of what they were. And then you've got the issue of
whether or not these storms will be more frequent. If they are, then
most evergreen tall trees won't be an option.
In article <10k2chu$26966$1@dont-email.me>,
Jeff@invalid.invalid says...
The damage at Tresco is terrible. There are a few photos here:
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=906880922277759&set=pcb.906881792277672>,
with a general discussion of what happened to some Cornwall gardens here:
<https://gardenrant.com/2026/01/storm-goretti-carnage-in-the-gardens-of-cornwall.html>
It's going to take more than a few years to get those gardens back to
even a semblance of what they were. And then you've got the issue of
whether or not these storms will be more frequent. If they are, then
most evergreen tall trees won't be an option.
Following Goretti, BBC ha a program showing the
damage of the 1987 storm. Alan Titchmarsh did an segment
on the trees damaged at Kew. The Turner Oak One huge
old tree had blown flat with its whole root plate heaved
vertical out of the ground leaving a big hole. Because it
was so precious they decided to turn it right way up
(leaving branches on) and wait and see. The tree not
only lived, it has greatly thrived and is in far better
health than before the storm.
Vhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-51282656
https://www.kew.org/kew-gardens/whats-on/stories-from-the-
storm
As a very old garden with many years of human an
machine pressure, the ground at Kew has become very
compacted. The blown-over tree loosened the ground deep
below its roots, letting in more air /water and
stimulating bacterial activity and new root growth.
A lot of Tresco species must have great resilience
as they come from areas home to extreme natural events,
drought, fire and pestilence.
Janet
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 09:53:05 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
In article <10k2chu$26966$1@dont-email.me>,
Jeff@invalid.invalid says...
The damage at Tresco is terrible. There are a few photos here:
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=906880922277759&set=pcb.906881792277672>,
with a general discussion of what happened to some Cornwall gardens here: >>> <https://gardenrant.com/2026/01/storm-goretti-carnage-in-the-gardens-of-cornwall.html>
It's going to take more than a few years to get those gardens back to
even a semblance of what they were. And then you've got the issue of
whether or not these storms will be more frequent. If they are, then
most evergreen tall trees won't be an option.
Following Goretti, BBC ha a program showing the
damage of the 1987 storm. Alan Titchmarsh did an segment
on the trees damaged at Kew. The Turner Oak One huge
old tree had blown flat with its whole root plate heaved
vertical out of the ground leaving a big hole. Because it
was so precious they decided to turn it right way up
(leaving branches on) and wait and see. The tree not
only lived, it has greatly thrived and is in far better
health than before the storm.
Vhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-51282656
https://www.kew.org/kew-gardens/whats-on/stories-from-the-
storm
As a very old garden with many years of human an
machine pressure, the ground at Kew has become very
compacted. The blown-over tree loosened the ground deep
below its roots, letting in more air /water and
stimulating bacterial activity and new root growth.
A lot of Tresco species must have great resilience
as they come from areas home to extreme natural events,
drought, fire and pestilence.
Janet
1987 was the year that weather-forecaster Michael Fish got his
forecast horribly wrong, predicting that the storm would pass to the
south of the UK, through northern France.
It didn't!
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