• Re: Several of our trains are missing

    From Certes@Certes@example.org to uk.railway on Mon Feb 23 14:12:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 23/02/2026 12:51, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:26:56 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing. >>>>>>>>

    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service >>>>>>> so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes
    found on Norwich - London.

    Do 745s run in multiple? Or did you mean 755s?

    Yes, of course. Good luck finding a platform that could accomodate a
    pair of 745s.

    Cambridge, if p1+4 counts as "a platform". Similar combinations are
    available at Edinburgh, Colchester (mind the gap) and some unwired
    stations such as Bournemouth and Gloucester.

    Interpreting "a platform" strictly, there probably isn't one.
    Darlington p4 is short by 15 metres.
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  • From Trolleybus@ken@birchanger.com to uk.railway on Mon Feb 23 15:00:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 14:12:05 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:

    On 23/02/2026 12:51, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:26:56 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:


    Yes, of course. Good luck finding a platform that could accomodate a
    pair of 745s.

    Cambridge, if p1+4 counts as "a platform". Similar combinations are >available at Edinburgh, Colchester (mind the gap) and some unwired
    stations such as Bournemouth and Gloucester.


    I don't think you can count Cambridge any more as there is a fence
    slightly back from the edge by the scissors crossover, presumably to
    stop people being hit by a carriage end sweeping the platform edge
    when using the crossover.


    Interpreting "a platform" strictly, there probably isn't one.
    Darlington p4 is short by 15 metres.
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  • From Coffee@martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk to uk.railway on Mon Feb 23 16:24:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 22/02/2026 14:29, Recliner wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running
    and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    No. BR Class 755.
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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway on Mon Feb 23 19:08:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA >>>> train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running
    and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service >>> so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know,
    on the Stansted route.


    There is an 11-car formation booked every day on the London-Norwich
    service, it does three round trips per day and is easy to spot on RTT
    because it's a car shorter than the others.

    <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:LST/to/gb-nr:NRW/2026-02-23/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LE>

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  • From Charles Ellson@charlesellson@btinternet.com to uk.railway on Mon Feb 23 22:08:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on
    Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner >>>><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee >>>>><martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA >>>>>>> train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing. >>>>>>>

    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service >>>>>>so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to >>>>substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes
    found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    755's are bi-modes, the majority 4-car, but 3-car are used on the >Ipswich-Peterborough shuttle, and some branches like that to Sheringham.
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  • From Bob@nospam@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 09:08:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 23/02/2026 20:08, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA >>>>> train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing. >>>>>

    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service >>>> so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know,
    on the Stansted route.


    There is an 11-car formation booked every day on the London-Norwich
    service, it does three round trips per day and is easy to spot on RTT
    because it's a car shorter than the others.

    <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:LST/to/gb-nr:NRW/2026-02-23/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LE>


    Thanks for confirming this, I knew it had run in the past, but I don't
    get up the GEML as often as I used to.

    Robin
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 09:34:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on
    Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing. >>>>>>>>

    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service >>>>>>> so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes
    found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to
    infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the
    RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    Sam
    --
    The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
    Spit the dummy to reply
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 11:14:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Certes <Certes@example.org> posted:

    On 23/02/2026 12:51, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:26:56 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes
    found on Norwich - London.

    Do 745s run in multiple? Or did you mean 755s?

    Yes, of course. Good luck finding a platform that could accomodate a
    pair of 745s.

    Cambridge, if p1+4 counts as "a platform". Similar combinations are available at Edinburgh, Colchester (mind the gap) and some unwired
    stations such as Bournemouth and Gloucester.

    Interpreting "a platform" strictly, there probably isn't one.

    Not even at HS1?

    Don't know whether HS1 might accept 745s.
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 11:25:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Certes <Certes@example.org> posted:

    On 23/02/2026 12:51, Trolleybus wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:26:56 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes >>>>> found on Norwich - London.

    Do 745s run in multiple? Or did you mean 755s?

    Yes, of course. Good luck finding a platform that could accomodate a
    pair of 745s.

    Cambridge, if p1+4 counts as "a platform". Similar combinations are
    available at Edinburgh, Colchester (mind the gap) and some unwired
    stations such as Bournemouth and Gloucester.

    Interpreting "a platform" strictly, there probably isn't one.

    Not even at HS1?

    Don't know whether HS1 might accept 745s.


    No, the 745s arenrCOt compatible with the TVM430 signalling system on HS1.
    And the 473m long train would exceed the length of the 400m HS1 platforms, which would also be too low.


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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 11:34:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Bob <nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/02/2026 20:08, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
    Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:


    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know,
    on the Stansted route.


    There is an 11-car formation booked every day on the London-Norwich
    service, it does three round trips per day and is easy to spot on RTT
    because it's a car shorter than the others.

    <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:LST/to/gb-nr:NRW/2026-02-23/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LE>


    Thanks for confirming this, I knew it had run in the past, but I don't
    get up the GEML as often as I used to.



    It was very handy when I did the "All The Classes" challenge; 27 minute
    trip to Chelmsford rather than an hour to Marks Tey and 45 minute round
    trip to Sudbury, to pick up a 755!

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  • From Bob@nospam@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 16:13:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 24/02/2026 10:34, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on
    Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing. >>>>>>>>>

    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes
    found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as
    demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the
    RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    The High Speed railway TSI specifies 400 m as the target length for
    passenger infrastructure. Hence the standard length for high speed units
    is 200 m so that they can run in pairs on busier routes. As the UK
    generally doesn't conform to this TSI, having a unit that is longer than
    200 m but not too long for stations makes sense.

    Robin
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 15:17:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 15:22:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 16:13:44 +0100, Bob <nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/02/2026 10:34, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on >>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running >>>>>>>>>> and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes >>>>> found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as
    demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to
    infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software
    limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches
    together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they >> happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the
    RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    The High Speed railway TSI specifies 400 m as the target length for >passenger infrastructure. Hence the standard length for high speed units
    is 200 m so that they can run in pairs on busier routes. As the UK
    generally doesn't conform to this TSI, having a unit that is longer than
    200 m but not too long for stations makes sense.

    The normal maximum length of UK express passenger trains is up to 265m (11-car 395 or 10-car 800).
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 16:53:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <r5grpk55ude5rr6vccaj6o2emrmqvu2qo6@4ax.com>, at 15:17:18 on
    Tue, 24 Feb 2026, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    *National* Rail, rather than *Network* Rail.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Coffee@martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 18:29:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 24/02/2026 15:17, Scott wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    We often see it in south Wales during the autumn leaf fall season.
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 18:38:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 16:13:44 +0100, Bob <nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/02/2026 10:34, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on >>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>> wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running
    and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes >>>>>> found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as
    demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to
    infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software
    limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches
    together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they >>> happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the
    RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    The High Speed railway TSI specifies 400 m as the target length for
    passenger infrastructure. Hence the standard length for high speed units
    is 200 m so that they can run in pairs on busier routes. As the UK
    generally doesn't conform to this TSI, having a unit that is longer than
    200 m but not too long for stations makes sense.

    The normal maximum length of UK express passenger trains is up to 265m (11-car 395 or 10-car 800).

    s/395/390/ I think. A 2x6 395 would be 2x122=244 m.

    Sam
    --
    The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
    Spit the dummy to reply
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 19:08:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10nkqmd$3im3$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:29:33 on Tue, 24 Feb
    2026, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> remarked:
    On 24/02/2026 15:17, Scott wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    We often see it in south Wales during the autumn leaf fall season.

    Wheel flats.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Feb 24 22:45:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 16:13:44 +0100, Bob <nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 24/02/2026 10:34, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on >>>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on
    Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running
    and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to >>>>>>>>> substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know,
    on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes >>>>>>> found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as >>>>> demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to
    infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software
    limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches >>>> together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they
    happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the >>>> RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    The High Speed railway TSI specifies 400 m as the target length for
    passenger infrastructure. Hence the standard length for high speed units >>> is 200 m so that they can run in pairs on busier routes. As the UK
    generally doesn't conform to this TSI, having a unit that is longer than >>> 200 m but not too long for stations makes sense.

    The normal maximum length of UK express passenger trains is up to 265m
    (11-car 395 or 10-car 800).

    s/395/390/ I think.

    Yes, sorry, my typo.

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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway on Wed Feb 25 01:16:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail? Cancellation reason codes will be entered by
    the TOC.

    "More trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" has been a GW
    staple for several years.

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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Wed Feb 25 07:42:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement
    sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Cancellation reason codes will be entered by the TOC.

    "More trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" has been a GW >staple for several years.

    I think in this instance, the public facing announcement might have been better as "Shortage of rolling stock", although geeks looking raw data
    feeds might want to know exactly what *sort* of repairs were involved.

    In other words: wheel flats, water in the fuel, cracks to the chassis,
    broken door CCTV, etc.

    Just my personal opinion.

    Similarly for things like "staff shortage", which could be too many off
    sick, on strike, or not yet made it through the driver training
    programme. The last one to affect me it was a dispatcher calling in sick
    at one station, and no replacement being available, so they had to shut
    the whole line.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Wed Feb 25 08:37:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Bob <nospam@gmail.com> posted:

    On 24/02/2026 10:34, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on >>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running
    and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes >>>> found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as
    demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    The High Speed railway TSI specifies 400 m as the target length for passenger infrastructure. Hence the standard length for high speed units
    is 200 m so that they can run in pairs on busier routes. As the UK
    generally doesn't conform to this TSI, having a unit that is longer than
    200 m but not too long for stations makes sense.

    Not a problem. It isn't longer than 400 m. Is it high speed by this very TSI?

    Regards, ULF
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Wed Feb 25 11:08:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement
    sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination
    and front end.

    Sam
    --
    The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
    Spit the dummy to reply
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Wed Feb 25 14:21:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10nml7u$n1e8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:08:46 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement
    sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the
    decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination
    and front end.

    Yes, I know, which is why I put this particular ball in National Rail's
    court.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Bob@nospam@gmail.com to uk.railway on Wed Feb 25 19:21:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 25/02/2026 09:37, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    Bob <nospam@gmail.com> posted:

    On 24/02/2026 10:34, Sam Wilson wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 12:36:06 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <8dfopk1r825q9vih3p5d8dgp3t01u66fg7@4ax.com>, at 11:45:26 on >>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 10:38:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>> wrote:

    In message <7u9opk5rq94ovej5co3dkkcd76mab57l7n@4ax.com>, at 10:13:12 on >>>>>>> Mon, 23 Feb 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:29:34 +0000, Recliner
    <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 14:25:43 +0000, Coffee
    <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 11:57, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
    On 22 Feb 2026 10:19, Roland Perry wrote:
    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    The reason in RTT is "a problem at the depot".
    The NationalRail announcement is a little odd as it misses the other GA
    train covering the Stansted-Norwich diagrams, which is still running
    and stops at some GA stops that EMR don't.

    Looking at the cancellations, it appears to be only one unit missing.


    I've travelled on a Flirt (from Ipswich) on a London to Norwich service
    so it might be a shortage of something else.

    You would have travelled on a 745, this is a 755.

    Not necessarily. They've quite often used 755s in muttiple to
    substitiute for 745s on the Norwich line, but never, so far as I know, >>>>>>>> on the Stansted route.

    Norwich-Stansted, or London-Stansted?

    755s always work Norwich - Stansted. 745s, in multiple, are sometimes >>>>>> found on Norwich - London.

    AIUI 745's are all 12-car, so a multiple is an impossible 24-car.

    Presumably possible to allow assistance ?
    378s can be coupled in pairs but will also be too long for most
    platforms and the driver's information won't show all 10 vehicles (as
    demonstrated in a YouTube "how to start a 378" video).

    Nitpick question: presumably the 24-car impossibility is due to
    infrastructure restraints - platform lengths and so on - or software
    limitations rather than anything inherent in putting that many coaches
    together.

    I note that Stadler also make the SBBrCOs 11-car Giruno, RABe 501, and they >>> happily run in pairs. Note that a 12-car 745 is 236 m long whereas the
    RABe 501 is a mere 202 m.

    The High Speed railway TSI specifies 400 m as the target length for
    passenger infrastructure. Hence the standard length for high speed units
    is 200 m so that they can run in pairs on busier routes. As the UK
    generally doesn't conform to this TSI, having a unit that is longer than
    200 m but not too long for stations makes sense.

    Not a problem. It isn't longer than 400 m. Is it high speed by this very TSI?

    The definition of High Speed for these purposes is at least 250 km/h for
    new lines and at least 200 km/h for classic lines. The UK spec FLIRTS
    are 100 mph units (160 km/h), so do not meet the definition of high
    speed. The SMILE aka Giruno units are 250 km/h capable, so do meet the definition.

    Robin
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 10:35:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nml7u$n1e8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:08:46 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement
    sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the >>> decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination
    and front end.

    Yes, I know, which is why I put this particular ball in National Rail's court.

    So your initial rCLplaybookrCY comment was a typo, then.

    Sam
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 13:16:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10np7mf$1ibss$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:59 on Thu, 26 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nml7u$n1e8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:08:46 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>> wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement >>>> sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the >>>> decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination >>> and front end.

    Yes, I know, which is why I put this particular ball in National Rail's
    court.

    So your initial rCLplaybookrCY comment was a typo, then.

    Wasn't *my* comment!
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 13:33:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10np7mf$1ibss$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:59 on Thu, 26 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nml7u$n1e8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:08:46 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb >>>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement >>>>> sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the >>>>> decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination >>>> and front end.

    Yes, I know, which is why I put this particular ball in National Rail's
    court.

    So your initial rCLplaybookrCY comment was a typo, then.

    Wasn't *my* comment!

    My apologies - IrCOd misread the attributions.

    Sam
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 15:51:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 01:16:41 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    Why would it be Network Rail? Cancellation reason codes will be entered by >the TOC.

    "More trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" has been a GW >staple for several years.

    I was thinking because it's a Network Rail station (Glasgow Central),
    Network Rail would be responsible for the destination boards and
    rather than each TOC writing its own script there would be a
    standardised set of options. As I had not noticed this particular
    wording before, I thought it might be new. But I take your point: if
    GWR is using it, no reason why Avanti should not use it too.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 15:56:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 16:53:01 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <r5grpk55ude5rr6vccaj6o2emrmqvu2qo6@4ax.com>, at 15:17:18 on
    Tue, 24 Feb 2026, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> remarked:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    *National* Rail, rather than *Network* Rail.

    Per my reply to Anna, I said Network Rail because this is a Network
    Rail station and I assumed NR were responsible for the destination
    boards. I understood that 'National Rail' was merely a trading name
    used by Rail Delivery Group (formerly ATOC).
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  • From Anna Noyd-Dryver@anna@noyd-dryver.com to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 18:23:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 01:16:41 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    Why would it be Network Rail? Cancellation reason codes will be entered by >> the TOC.

    "More trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" has been a GW
    staple for several years.

    I was thinking because it's a Network Rail station (Glasgow Central),
    Network Rail would be responsible for the destination boards and
    rather than each TOC writing its own script there would be a
    standardised set of options. As I had not noticed this particular
    wording before, I thought it might be new. But I take your point: if
    GWR is using it, no reason why Avanti should not use it too.


    AFAIK the screens etc will be controlled from the station control room
    which will have staff from NR and the major TOCs, but mainly under NR
    control.

    However in normal use they just show the standard feed information for each train, powered by a central system which I don't recall the name of.

    Cancellation or delay reason codes can be entered by either TOC or NR, and
    will be from a list of standard codes which have now become public-facing thanks to the likes of RTT.

    The station control room can also add local notes (eg "this train will stop
    at the far end of platform 7 due to roof damage"), but that's unlikely to
    be what we're discussing here.
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 18:29:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 18:23:49 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 01:16:41 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
    <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.

    Why would it be Network Rail? Cancellation reason codes will be entered by >>> the TOC.

    "More trains than usual needing repairs at the same time" has been a GW
    staple for several years.

    I was thinking because it's a Network Rail station (Glasgow Central),
    Network Rail would be responsible for the destination boards and
    rather than each TOC writing its own script there would be a
    standardised set of options. As I had not noticed this particular
    wording before, I thought it might be new. But I take your point: if
    GWR is using it, no reason why Avanti should not use it too.


    AFAIK the screens etc will be controlled from the station control room
    which will have staff from NR and the major TOCs, but mainly under NR >control.

    However in normal use they just show the standard feed information for each >train, powered by a central system which I don't recall the name of.

    Cancellation or delay reason codes can be entered by either TOC or NR, and >will be from a list of standard codes which have now become public-facing >thanks to the likes of RTT.

    The station control room can also add local notes (eg "this train will stop >at the far end of platform 7 due to roof damage"), but that's unlikely to
    be what we're discussing here.

    Thanks. This fits in exactly with what I thought. It is an
    industry-standard wording which you are familiar with at GWR and I
    have never noticed before on Avanti West Coast. Maybe the Pendolinos
    are more reliable :-)
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  • From Scott@newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk to uk.railway on Thu Feb 26 18:31:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 10:35:59 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nml7u$n1e8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:08:46 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>> wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled >>>>>>> due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement >>>> sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the >>>> decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination >>> and front end.

    Yes, I know, which is why I put this particular ball in National Rail's
    court.

    So your initial oplaybooko comment was a typo, then.

    I was responsible for the 'playbook' comment so you can blame me if
    you like. I still think it was a valid summary of the point I was
    making.

    Scott
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Mar 2 21:30:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 10:35:59 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nml7u$n1e8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:08:46 on Wed, 25 Feb
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10nlihp$ckpe$2@dont-email.me>, at 01:16:41 on Wed, 25 Feb >>>>> 2026, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:19:15 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Fairly newly nationalised Greater Anglia having a field day.

    "A number of services between Norwich and Cambridge have been cancelled
    due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time". >>>>>>>>
    That'll be the Basils.

    Interestingly, Avanti offered the same explanation for the
    cancellation of my train on Thursday. I wonder if this is a new
    addition to the Network Rail playbook.


    Why would it be Network Rail?

    Because in this case the 'news' arrived in the form of an announcement >>>>> sent as a press release from National Rail. So they had clearly made the >>>>> decision to use that wording in a public facing context.

    Network Rail, infrastructure provider != National Rail, TOC coordination >>>> and front end.

    Yes, I know, which is why I put this particular ball in National Rail's >>> court.

    So your initial -oplaybook-o comment was a typo, then.

    I was responsible for the 'playbook' comment so you can blame me if
    you like. I still think it was a valid summary of the point I was
    making.

    IrCOve seen your subsequent explanations of why you chose Network Rail, and they make a degree of not-obvious-at-first-glance sense. Thank you,

    Sam
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