• Soham station stats

    From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 05:46:20 2026
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    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo
    line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or
    9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the
    centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not
    the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations.
    Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of u18.6million, or u28 per passenger entry or exit (u56 per
    day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team
    think?
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 08:31:52 2026
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    On 12/01/2026 05:46, Roland Perry wrote:
    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or
    9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the
    centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not
    the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56 per day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team think?

    What are the line stats like? It's all very well picking up on one
    little used station when the rest of the time the trains are jammed.

    Where does the -u18.6m come from?
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.


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  • From Nick Finnigan@nix@genie.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 09:18:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 08:31, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 12/01/2026 05:46, Roland Perry wrote:

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations.
    Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56 per >> day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team think?

    What are the line stats like? It's all very well picking up on one little used station when the rest of the time the trains are jammed.

    The trains may be jammed at Soham.

    Where does the -u18.6m come from?

    e.g. https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/about-us/news-desk/news-articles/soham-station-thriving-one-year-after-opening
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  • From Trolleybus@ken@birchanger.com to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 09:26:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 05:46:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo >line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either >schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or
    9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the
    centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not
    the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of u18.6million, or u28 per passenger entry or exit (u56 per
    day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team
    think?

    It seems to me that building a station on a line with such a scant
    frequency is questionable. If they reinstate the curve to allow a
    direct service to Cambridge things might be different but even then it
    wouldn't be a quick journey.
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 11:04:00 2026
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    In message <10k2e8e$2787j$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:18:07 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >>> Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of u18.6million, or u28 per passenger entry or exit (u56
    per day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the
    team think?

    What are the line stats like? It's all very well picking up on one >>little used station when the rest of the time the trains are jammed.

    The trains may be jammed at Soham.

    There's just one passenger train every two hours on that line, all
    that's changed is they built a new station.

    Two small DMUs shuttle between Ipswich and Peterborough via Ely. I've
    never seen them even with standing pax.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 11:05:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k2bho$271ab$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:52 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 05:46, Roland Perry wrote:
    Stumbled over these in another place.
    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the
    Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are >>conveniently timed for either schoolchildren (who actually have a >>dedicated school-bus from Ely), or 9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but
    the centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of
    Soham, not the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586
    stations.

    Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.
    A good use of u18.6million, or u28 per passenger entry or exit (u56
    per day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the
    team think?

    What are the line stats like? It's all very well picking up on one
    little used station when the rest of the time the trains are jammed.

    Where does the u18.6m come from?

    Partly from the Mayor's funds, and partly from Network Rail, I would
    think.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 11:21:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10k2bho$271ab$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:52 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 05:46, Roland Perry wrote:
    Stumbled over these in another place.
    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the
    Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are
    conveniently timed for either schoolchildren (who actually have a
    dedicated school-bus from Ely), or 9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but
    the centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of
    Soham, not the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586
    stations.

    Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.
    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56
    per day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the
    team think?

    What are the line stats like? It's all very well picking up on one
    little used station when the rest of the time the trains are jammed.

    Where does the -u18.6m come from?

    Partly from the Mayor's funds, and partly from Network Rail, I would
    think.

    ThatrCOs not what the linked story says:

    rCLThe station, which cost -u18.6 million to build, was funded by the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority and delivered by Network Rail.rCY

    This, of course, raises the usual question of how a basic, single platform station can cost so much? Does NR build them out of rare earths?

    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building cost
    was approximately -u3m by the time of its construction by Chiltern Railways,
    in partnership with Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, the parent company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial -u12m
    to -u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 11:18:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <ccf9mkl8hn2g6nf2h9mqiud8hsr2kir3tq@4ax.com>, at 09:26:35 on
    Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 05:46:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo >>line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either >>schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or
    9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the >>centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not
    the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >>Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of u18.6million, or u28 per passenger entry or exit (u56 per
    day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team
    think?

    It seems to me that building a station on a line with such a scant
    frequency is questionable. If they reinstate the curve to allow a
    direct service to Cambridge things might be different but even then it >wouldn't be a quick journey.

    The problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely to
    Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge (also
    single track) is probably at capacity too. Although the latter will have
    some dualling done as part of East/West rail, assuming that project
    doesn't get cancelled.

    The Line from Ely to Soham can't realistically be dualled because of the infamous "ground conditions". Network Rail ruled it out, not very long
    ago.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 11:36:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <ccf9mkl8hn2g6nf2h9mqiud8hsr2kir3tq@4ax.com>, at 09:26:35 on
    Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 05:46:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo >>line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either >>schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or >>9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the >>centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not >>the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >>Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56 per >>day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team
    think?

    It seems to me that building a station on a line with such a scant >frequency is questionable. If they reinstate the curve to allow a
    direct service to Cambridge things might be different but even then it >wouldn't be a quick journey.

    The problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely to
    Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge (also
    single track) is probably at capacity too. Although the latter will have some dualling done as part of East/West rail, assuming that project
    doesn't get cancelled.

    Presumably any improvement of services (and hence ridership) to Soham is contingent on Ely North being sorted out. That project having dragged its heels, Soham waits on.

    (As does Wisbech, but at least Soham have a station they can somewhat use
    now)

    The Line from Ely to Soham can't realistically be dualled because of the infamous "ground conditions". Network Rail ruled it out, not very long
    ago.

    It was once dualled, wasn't it? Has anything detrimental happened to the trackbed since?

    Theo
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 11:50:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <KMv*UCtwA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 11:36:24 on Mon,
    12 Jan 2026, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
    It seems to me that building a station on a line with such a scant
    frequency is questionable. If they reinstate the curve to allow a
    direct service to Cambridge things might be different but even then it
    wouldn't be a quick journey.

    The problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely to
    Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge (also
    single track) is probably at capacity too. Although the latter will have
    some dualling done as part of East/West rail, assuming that project
    doesn't get cancelled.

    Presumably any improvement of services (and hence ridership) to Soham is >contingent on Ely North being sorted out. That project having dragged its >heels, Soham waits on.

    But even if they sort out Ely North, there's not the capacity between
    Ely and Soham for more passenger trains [dear Liza].

    (As does Wisbech, but at least Soham have a station they can somewhat use >now)

    A bigger problem with Wisbech (apart from any reinstated station having
    to be on the edge of town) is what to do about the roughly a dozen (of
    which four are significant roads) level crossings on the route.

    The Line from Ely to Soham can't realistically be dualled because of the
    infamous "ground conditions". Network Rail ruled it out, not very long
    ago.

    It was once dualled, wasn't it?

    When I suggested that in a posting a few years ago, I was shouted at for getting it wrong. But maybe my critics were wrong?

    Has anything detrimental happened to the trackbed since?

    All that matters is NR have said "no" to dualling it.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Nick Finnigan@nix@genie.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:10:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:


    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building cost
    was approximately -u3m by the time of its construction by Chiltern Railways, in partnership with Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, the parent company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial -u12m to -u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for -u2m more recently.

    One of the 'benefits' of Soham Station is making local property more expensive, of course. I presume there is no shopping mall planned.
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  • From ColinR@rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:14:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 11:18, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <ccf9mkl8hn2g6nf2h9mqiud8hsr2kir3tq@4ax.com>, at 09:26:35 on
    Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 05:46:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo >>> line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either
    schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or
    9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the
    centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not
    the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >>> Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56 per >>> day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team
    think?

    It seems to me that building a station on a line with such a scant
    frequency is questionable. If they reinstate the curve to allow a
    direct service to Cambridge things might be different but even then it
    wouldn't be a quick journey.

    The problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely to
    Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge (also
    single track) is probably at capacity too.

    I do not know the area well, but it seems odd to me that a line "To
    refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo
    line, with 0.5tph" can be "at capacity". I assume it is long with no
    passing loops??
    --
    Colin

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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:12:48 2026
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    In message <vXGwRYLWAOZpFACq@perry.uk>, at 11:50:46 on Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:

    The Line from Ely to Soham can't realistically be dualled because of the >>> infamous "ground conditions". Network Rail ruled it out, not very long
    ago.

    It was once dualled, wasn't it?

    When I suggested that in a posting a few years ago, I was shouted at
    for getting it wrong. But maybe my critics were wrong?

    I've just looked at a 1965 OS map, and it was single then. The station
    closed in 1965 for passengers, 1966 for freight.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:23:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> posted:

    On 12/01/2026 11:18, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <ccf9mkl8hn2g6nf2h9mqiud8hsr2kir3tq@4ax.com>, at 09:26:35 on Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 05:46:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
    wrote:

    Stumbled over these in another place.

    To refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo >>> line, with 0.5tph. None of the trains are conveniently timed for either >>> schoolchildren (who actually have a dedicated school-bus from Ely), or >>> 9-5 workers.

    There's also a 1tph stage bus to Ely, not just to the station but the
    centre of town, just like it would pick up in the centre of Soham, not >>> the edge of town.

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >>> Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56 per
    day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the team
    think?

    It seems to me that building a station on a line with such a scant
    frequency is questionable. If they reinstate the curve to allow a
    direct service to Cambridge things might be different but even then it
    wouldn't be a quick journey.

    The problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely to Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge (also single track) is probably at capacity too.

    I do not know the area well, but it seems odd to me that a line "To
    refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo
    line, with 0.5tph" can be "at capacity". I assume it is long with no
    passing loops??

    Freight trains mainly from and to Felixstowe,
    more of them after the Ipswich Bacon Factory
    Curve has been built and opened to traffic.
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:41:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k2obt$29jqr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:10:38 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:

    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building
    cost was approximately u3m by the time of its construction by
    Chiltern Railways, in partnership with Warwickshire County Council
    and John Laing Group, the parent company of M40 Trains. This was >>significantly under the initial u12m to u13.4m estimated by Network >>Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for u2m more
    recently.

    One of the 'benefits' of Soham Station is making local property more
    expensive, of course. I presume there is no shopping mall planned.

    No, it's on a rather windswept plot on the edge of town. The shops are
    some distance away in the High Street.

    It was largely a vanity project by the first Mayor (of the combined
    authority, who also took rather too much credit for funding the whole
    thing) who by co-incidence [!] lived in Soham. It wasn't delivered until
    his successor was in office.

    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access a
    future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route across the
    fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also had to build a
    new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.

    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question of
    why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they drive the
    four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train fare too).
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:49:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k2ok1$2al9t$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:14:56 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:

    The problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely
    to Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge
    (also single track) is probably at capacity too.

    I do not know the area well, but it seems odd to me that a line "To
    refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo
    line, with 0.5tph" can be "at capacity". I assume it is long with no
    passing loops??

    There are no passing loops between Soham and Ely, and the line is chock-a-block with container trains serving Felixstowe. It doesn't help
    that they crawl along, and also often have to share a path with
    passenger trains at the junction with the Fen Line south of Ely Station.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Certes@Certes@example.org to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 13:16:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 12:41, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <10k2obt$29jqr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:10:38 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:

    -aThis reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building
    cost-a was approximately -u3m by the time of its construction by
    Chiltern Railways,-a in partnership with Warwickshire County Council
    and John Laing Group, the-a parent company of M40 Trains. This was
    significantly under the initial -u12m-a to -u13.4m estimated by Network >>> Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for -u2m more recently.

    One of the 'benefits' of Soham Station is making local property more
    expensive, of course. I presume there is no shopping mall planned.

    No, it's on a rather windswept plot on the edge of town. The shops are
    some distance away in the High Street.

    It was largely a vanity project by the first Mayor (of the combined authority, who also took rather too much credit for funding the whole
    thing) who by co-incidence [!] lived in Soham. It wasn't delivered until
    his successor was in office.

    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access a
    future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route across the
    fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also had to build a
    new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.

    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question of
    why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they drive the
    four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train fare too).

    Perhaps some of them are not going to Ely.

    If the Wisbech project ever takes off, there might be a case for
    rebuilding the curve north of Newmarket and running a shuttle from
    Wisbech to Cambridge via Soham.
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  • From Nick Finnigan@nix@genie.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 13:37:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 12:41, Roland Perry wrote:

    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question of why
    if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they drive the four
    and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train fare too).

    "along the A142 between Ely, Soham and Newmarket, a route already under traffic pressure" ? Another benefit is the huge savings in road traffic delays.

    https://cambridgeshirepeterborough-ca.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/documents/transport/transport-business-cases/Soham-Station-SOBC.pdf
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 13:43:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k2s79$2bmii$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:16:25 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Certes <Certes@example.org> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 12:41, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <10k2obt$29jqr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:10:38 on Mon, 12
    Jan 2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:

    aThis reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original
    building costa was approximately u3m by the time of its
    construction by Chiltern Railways,a in partnership with
    Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, thea parent
    company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial
    u12ma to u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for u2m more recently.

    One of the 'benefits' of Soham Station is making local property more >>>expensive, of course. I presume there is no shopping mall planned.

    No, it's on a rather windswept plot on the edge of town. The shops
    are some distance away in the High Street.

    It was largely a vanity project by the first Mayor (of the combined >>authority, who also took rather too much credit for funding the whole >>thing) who by co-incidence [!] lived in Soham. It wasn't delivered
    until his successor was in office.

    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access
    a future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route
    across the fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also
    had to build a new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.
    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question
    of why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they
    drive the four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train
    fare too).

    Perhaps some of them are not going to Ely.

    Next stop is Manea, and there won't be many people in Soham wanting to
    go there. Rinse and repeat for March and Whittlesea. Maybe a few a day
    wanting to catch an onward train from Peterborough.

    20 minute wait at Ely for Cambridge direction, but only 5 minutes for
    Kings Lynn direction.

    If the Wisbech project ever takes off, there might be a case for
    rebuilding the curve north of Newmarket and running a shuttle from
    Wisbech to Cambridge via Soham.

    Can't do that because the single line from Ely to Soham is at capacity,
    and can't be doubled.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 13:53:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:

    In message <10k2e8e$2787j$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:18:07 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:

    Annual entries and exits 65,796, making it 1941st out of 2,586 stations. >>> Daily average of 12 passengers per service, 993rd out of 1772.

    A good use of -u18.6million, or -u28 per passenger entry or exit (-u56 >>>per day for return trips) amortised over ten years; what does the >>>team think?

    What are the line stats like? It's all very well picking up on one >>little used station when the rest of the time the trains are jammed.

    The trains may be jammed at Soham.

    There's just one passenger train every two hours on that line, all
    that's changed is they built a new station.

    Two small DMUs shuttle between Ipswich and Peterborough via Ely. I've
    never seen them even with standing pax.

    Should be class 755 now.
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 13:56:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:

    In message <10k2s79$2bmii$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:16:25 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Certes <Certes@example.org> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 12:41, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <10k2obt$29jqr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:10:38 on Mon, 12
    Jan 2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:

    -aThis reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original >>>>building cost-a was approximately -u3m by the time of its >>>>construction by Chiltern Railways,-a in partnership with >>>>Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, the-a parent >>>>company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial >>>>-u12m-a to -u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack. >>>>
    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for -u2m more recently. >>>
    One of the 'benefits' of Soham Station is making local property more >>>expensive, of course. I presume there is no shopping mall planned.

    No, it's on a rather windswept plot on the edge of town. The shops
    are some distance away in the High Street.

    It was largely a vanity project by the first Mayor (of the combined >>authority, who also took rather too much credit for funding the whole >>thing) who by co-incidence [!] lived in Soham. It wasn't delivered
    until his successor was in office.

    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access
    a future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route
    across the fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also >>had to build a new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.
    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question
    of why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they
    drive the four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train
    fare too).

    Perhaps some of them are not going to Ely.

    Next stop is Manea, and there won't be many people in Soham wanting to
    go there. Rinse and repeat for March and Whittlesea. Maybe a few a day wanting to catch an onward train from Peterborough.

    20 minute wait at Ely for Cambridge direction, but only 5 minutes for
    Kings Lynn direction.

    If the Wisbech project ever takes off, there might be a case for >rebuilding the curve north of Newmarket and running a shuttle from
    Wisbech to Cambridge via Soham.

    Can't do that because the single line from Ely to Soham is at capacity,
    and can't be doubled.

    They could add signals between 483 and 491.
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 14:02:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k2tfd$2autb$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:37:50 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 12:41, Roland Perry wrote:

    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question
    of why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they
    drive the four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train
    fare too).

    "along the A142 between Ely, Soham and Newmarket, a route already under >traffic pressure" ? Another benefit is the huge savings in road
    traffic delays.

    A dozen people once every two hours? Drop in the ocean.

    https://cambridgeshirepeterborough-ca.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/document >s/transport/transport-business-cases/Soham-Station-SOBC.pdf

    That was before the Ely Bypass, and most of it falls apart when the
    Ely-Soham doubling turned out not to be possible. It's also ridiculous
    to say a train that gets people to work in Ely about half an hour late
    is the only possible justification for building 1000 new homes.

    Interesting stat that they were expecting (with twice the number of
    trains) 1.35m journeys over 15yrs. That's 90k a year and four years
    later they aren't doing too bad with 66k.

    But reinforces the claim that taking a dozen cars an hour off the road
    isn't particularly significant - assuming that all passengers would have driven had the station not reopened.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 14:06:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <1768226000-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 13:53:20 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:

    Two small DMUs shuttle between Ipswich and Peterborough via Ely. I've
    never seen them even with standing pax.

    Should be class 755 now.

    [Making an exception to post this]

    Yes, 3-car DMUs, like I said. From the start.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 14:08:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10k2obt$29jqr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:10:38 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> remarked:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:

    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building
    cost was approximately -u3m by the time of its construction by
    Chiltern Railways, in partnership with Warwickshire County Council
    and John Laing Group, the parent company of M40 Trains. This was
    significantly under the initial -u12m to -u13.4m estimated by Network
    Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for -u2m more
    recently.

    One of the 'benefits' of Soham Station is making local property more
    expensive, of course. I presume there is no shopping mall planned.

    No, it's on a rather windswept plot on the edge of town. The shops are
    some distance away in the High Street.

    It was largely a vanity project by the first Mayor (of the combined authority, who also took rather too much credit for funding the whole
    thing) who by co-incidence [!] lived in Soham. It wasn't delivered until
    his successor was in office.

    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access a
    future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route across the
    fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also had to build a
    new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.

    Last summer I cycled from Soham to Wicken. The route which one of my companions knew, and Google recommended, was closed - very closed: 2m wire fence barriers extending to the hedge on either side. Perhaps that was to
    do with the construction. We ended up having to go round by the main road which was not at all pleasant.

    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question of
    why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they drive the
    four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train fare too).

    Because theyrCOre not going to Ely or because the route involves either the famously low, narrow and much bashed bridge, or the long way around via the bypass?

    Sam
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  • From Ulf Kutzner@user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 14:13:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway


    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> posted:

    In message <1768226000-2991@newsgrouper.org>, at 13:53:20 on Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> remarked:

    Two small DMUs shuttle between Ipswich and Peterborough via Ely. I've
    never seen them even with standing pax.

    Should be class 755 now.

    [Making an exception to post this]

    I do neither need nor appreciate your so-called exception.
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 15:09:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k2v89$2cpt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:08:09 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access a
    future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route across the
    fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also had to build a
    new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.

    Last summer I cycled from Soham to Wicken. The route which one of my >companions knew, and Google recommended, was closed - very closed: 2m wire >fence barriers extending to the hedge on either side. Perhaps that was to >do with the construction.

    Yes, I expect so.

    We ended up having to go round by the main road which was not at all >pleasant.

    Indeed. One of the much-hyped benefits of the route is so Wicken
    children can cycle to school, the main road being unsafe.

    Let's see how that pans out, especially on dark Winter mornings and
    evenings. I'm going to have a look at it tomorrow, as it happens, to
    answer the question none of its fans could: "does it have lighting"?

    Another of the frankly laughable claims is that Soham folk can now cycle
    to the gastro-pub in Wicken (closed Mondays and Tuesdays) for a drink, presumably in the evening.

    Plus it has a surprisingly large car park. Which begs the question of
    why if it appears to be aimed at car users, why wouldn't they drive the
    four and a half miles to Ely instead (and save the train fare too).

    Because theyrCOre not going to Ely or because the route involves either the >famously low, narrow and much bashed bridge, or the long way around via the >bypass?
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From ColinR@rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 16:42:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 12:49, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <10k2ok1$2al9t$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:14:56 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:

    -aThe problem with reinstating that curve is the single line from Ely
    to-a Soham is at capacity, and the line from Newmarket to Cambridge
    (also-a single track) is probably at capacity too.

    I do not know the area well, but it seems odd to me that a line "To
    refresh memories, Soham station is a stop on the Ipswich-Bury-Ely-Pbo
    line, with 0.5tph" can be "at capacity". I assume it is long with no
    passing loops??

    There are no passing loops between Soham and Ely, and the line is chock- a-block with container trains serving Felixstowe. It doesn't help that
    they crawl along, and also often have to share a path with passenger
    trains at the junction with the Fen Line south of Ely Station.

    A logical fact that I was unaware of. Many thanks
    --
    Colin

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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Jan 13 02:48:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:


    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building cost
    was approximately -u3m by the time of its construction by Chiltern Railways, >> in partnership with Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, the
    parent company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial -u12m >> to -u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for -u2m more recently.


    The point is that John Laing could build a new station for less than a
    quarter of what RT/NR could do. So Soham station could probably have been
    built for under -u5m, or much less without the unnecessary footbridge.
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  • From Adrian@bulleid@ku.gro.lioff to uk.railway on Tue Jan 13 14:29:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <qoi9R.23378$s_zc.20227@fx15.ams1>, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:


    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building cost >>> was approximately u3m by the time of its construction by Chiltern Railways, >>> in partnership with Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, the >>> parent company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial u12m >>> to u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for u2m more recently.


    The point is that John Laing could build a new station for less than a >quarter of what RT/NR could do. So Soham station could probably have been >built for under u5m, or much less without the unnecessary footbridge.

    Whilst not disagreeing with the basis of the point you are making, I
    think you might be comparing Granny Smiths with Bramleys. The two were
    built many years apart. The better (but probably impossible figure to
    get) would be to compare what it would have cost to build Warwick
    Parkway at the time that Soham was built. I suspect that the planning/political/environmental (etc.) environments changed
    significantly during the interim, and that has had a detrimental affect
    on the costs, irrespective of who was doing the job.

    Adrian
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Tue Jan 13 15:32:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:29:13 +0000, Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:

    In message <qoi9R.23378$s_zc.20227@fx15.ams1>, Recliner ><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
    On 12/01/2026 11:21, Recliner wrote:


    This reminds me of Warwick Parkway station, whose original building cost >>>> was approximately -u3m by the time of its construction by Chiltern Railways,
    in partnership with Warwickshire County Council and John Laing Group, the >>>> parent company of M40 Trains. This was significantly under the initial -u12m
    to -u13.4m estimated by Network Rail's predecessor, Railtrack.

    But Warwick apparently added 222 car park spaces for -u2m more recently. >>>

    The point is that John Laing could build a new station for less than a >>quarter of what RT/NR could do. So Soham station could probably have been >>built for under -u5m, or much less without the unnecessary footbridge.

    Whilst not disagreeing with the basis of the point you are making, I
    think you might be comparing Granny Smiths with Bramleys. The two were >built many years apart.

    Yes, about 21. But Soham station was also a much smaller project.

    The better (but probably impossible figure to
    get) would be to compare what it would have cost to build Warwick
    Parkway at the time that Soham was built. I suspect that the >planning/political/environmental (etc.) environments changed
    significantly during the interim, and that has had a detrimental affect
    on the costs, irrespective of who was doing the job.

    Yes, it would have raised the costs, which was why I suggested the much smaller, short, single-platform (no lifts) Soham
    project should probably have cost about -u5m in 2020, compared to -u3m for the two-platform Warwick Parkway station (with
    a lift and large car park) 20 years earlier.
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to uk.railway on Tue Jan 13 17:55:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <vXGwRYLWAOZpFACq@perry.uk>, at 11:50:46 on Mon, 12 Jan 2026, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:

    The Line from Ely to Soham can't realistically be dualled because of the >>> infamous "ground conditions". Network Rail ruled it out, not very long >>> ago.

    It was once dualled, wasn't it?

    When I suggested that in a posting a few years ago, I was shouted at
    for getting it wrong. But maybe my critics were wrong?

    I've just looked at a 1965 OS map, and it was single then. The station closed in 1965 for passengers, 1966 for freight.

    Wikipedia[1] reckons it was originally single but doubled between Soham and Snailwell Junction (ie Newmarket) in 1938. Not sure when it was singled.

    Seems like you were right about the 'line from Ely to Soham' specifically always being single.

    Theo

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipswich%E2%80%93Ely_line#London_and_North_Eastern_Railway_(1923%E2%80%931947)
    citing an offline source.
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  • From Sam Wilson@ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk to uk.railway on Tue Jan 13 22:44:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10k2v89$2cpt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:08:09 on Mon, 12 Jan
    2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
    Some of the cost will have been a rather grand footbridge to access a
    future second platform, connecting to a walking/cycling route across the >>> fen to Wicken. The latter opened very recently. They also had to build a >>> new access road from the nearest exiting tarmaced road.

    Last summer I cycled from Soham to Wicken. The route which one of my
    companions knew, and Google recommended, was closed - very closed: 2m wire >> fence barriers extending to the hedge on either side. Perhaps that was to >> do with the construction.

    Yes, I expect so.

    We ended up having to go round by the main road which was not at all
    pleasant.

    Indeed. One of the much-hyped benefits of the route is so Wicken
    children can cycle to school, the main road being unsafe.

    Let's see how that pans out, especially on dark Winter mornings and evenings. I'm going to have a look at it tomorrow, as it happens, to
    answer the question none of its fans could: "does it have lighting"?

    If yourCOre going to look perhaps you could check out the junction of Twelve Foot and Mill Drove, just south of Soham. ThatrCOs where we came to grief - Twelve Foot was blocked at that point.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/xKGGnTAMkwrvQyHB9?g_st=ic

    Another of the frankly laughable claims is that Soham folk can now cycle
    to the gastro-pub in Wicken (closed Mondays and Tuesdays) for a drink, presumably in the evening.

    Or perhaps Wicken folk looking for excitement on Mondays and Tuesdays could cycle to the bright lights of Soham.

    Sam
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Wed Jan 14 11:14:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <LMv*hhAwA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 17:55:41 on Tue,
    13 Jan 2026, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> remarked:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <vXGwRYLWAOZpFACq@perry.uk>, at 11:50:46 on Mon, 12 Jan 2026,
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:

    The Line from Ely to Soham can't realistically be dualled because of the >> >>> infamous "ground conditions". Network Rail ruled it out, not very long >> >>> ago.

    It was once dualled, wasn't it?

    When I suggested that in a posting a few years ago, I was shouted at
    for getting it wrong. But maybe my critics were wrong?

    I've just looked at a 1965 OS map, and it was single then. The station
    closed in 1965 for passengers, 1966 for freight.

    Wikipedia[1] reckons it was originally single but doubled between Soham and >Snailwell Junction (ie Newmarket) in 1938. Not sure when it was singled.

    That bit is still doubled.

    Also see my posting today on Facebook, of a completely deserted station
    (no cars other than mine, no people).

    Seems like you were right about the 'line from Ely to Soham' specifically >always being single.

    Theo

    [1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipswich%E2%80%93Ely_line#London_and_North_ >Eastern_Railway_(1923%E2%80%931947)
    citing an offline source.
    --
    Roland Perry
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