• Looks like the NPR is being kicked into the long grass

    From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Sun Jan 11 23:43:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially would-be PM Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.
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  • From Certes@Certes@example.org to uk.railway on Sun Jan 11 23:53:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially would-be PM Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore funding.

    No surprise there. It's the usual formula: promise improvements across England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.
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  • From Certes@Certes@example.org to uk.railway on Sun Jan 11 23:54:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially would-be PM Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore funding.

    No surprise there. It's the usual formula: promise improvements across England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 08:20:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <10k1d7m$9te5$1@dont-email.me>, at 23:54:30 on Sun, 11 Jan
    2026, Certes <Certes@example.org> remarked:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely.
    ...
    No surprise there. It's the usual formula: promise improvements across >England, get national support, cancel everything outside the
    south-east.

    With half of all train journeys apparently involving London (and not
    just the wider south-east) then perhaps that's where the investment out
    to be going anyway? And of course it's Londoners whose high train fares subsidise the bargain fares in place like the North.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Graeme Wall@rail@greywall.demon.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 08:33:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 11/01/2026 23:54, Certes wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line
    between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new
    trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially
    would-be PM
    Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.

    No surprise there.-a It's the usual formula: promise improvements across England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.

    If only so many people didn't live in the south-east and so few people
    live in the northrCa
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.


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  • From Rolf Mantel@news@hartig-mantel.de to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 10:28:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Am 12.01.2026 um 09:33 schrieb Graeme Wall:
    On 11/01/2026 23:54, Certes wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line >>> between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new
    trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially
    would-be PM
    Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-
    d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.

    No surprise there.-a It's the usual formula: promise improvements across
    England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.

    If only so many people didn't live in the south-east and so few people
    live in the northrCa

    Start blaming William the conquerer! <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North>
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  • From Coffee@martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 09:59:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 11/01/2026 23:53, Certes wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line
    between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new
    trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially would-
    be PM
    Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?
    shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.

    No surprise there.-a It's the usual formula: promise improvements across England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    Delete England. Insert Great Britain.


    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.

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  • From Certes@Certes@example.org to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 10:25:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On 12/01/2026 09:59, Coffee wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:53, Certes wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line >>> between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new
    trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially
    would- be PM
    Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559? shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.

    No surprise there.-a It's the usual formula: promise improvements across
    England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    Delete England.-a Insert Great Britain.

    Scotland, to be fair, does quite well. Wales, as you imply, gets less. Apologies for the double posting; the first attempt stalled and didn't
    appear immediately.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.

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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:19:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line
    between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new
    trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially would-be PM >> Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.

    No surprise there. It's the usual formula: promise improvements across England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.


    How many tram systems have been built in the South-East?
    Croydon which is in the London area is about it .what about the large towns
    and CityrCOs like Portsmouth, Brighton, Southampton and others in the South-East which would benefit from light rail .
    In contrast the North and Midlands has the large Manchester based network still expanding,
    Birmingham also expanding, Sheffield, Nottingham and though in Scotland Edinburgh has got some of its original plans realised and is considering
    more.
    Blackpool too though somewhat different than the others has seen
    significant investment in recent times that has seen it change from what
    had become a historic anachronism to a modern system .

    GH
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 12:31:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
    On 11/01/2026 23:43, Recliner wrote:
    It looks like only the current Transpennine Route Upgrade scheme will
    continue to be (partially) funded, with all work on future stages of
    Northern Powerhouse Rail deferred indefinitely. In particular, it looks
    like the largely unnecessary proposed new rCyhigh speedrCO (125 mph) line >>> between Liverpool and Manchester wonrCOt happen, and nor will any new
    trans-Pennine rail routes.

    This is pretty much exactly what IrCOve been predicting.

    Expect a big row between the northern Labour mayors (especially would-be PM >>> Burnham) and the government.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/fdd754a9-2569-4ea4-a902-d18569bd1559?shareToken=e5e4fc38327189b38e3e2bf331cafe09

    Any future, cost-cutting right-wing government is unlikely to restore
    funding.

    No surprise there. It's the usual formula: promise improvements across
    England, get national support, cancel everything outside the south-east.

    It does look as if the north is getting -u1 billion maybe someday, which
    is in the normal proportion compared with the -u100 billion being wasted
    down south.


    How many tram systems have been built in the South-East?
    Croydon which is in the London area is about it .what about the large towns and CityrCOs like Portsmouth, Brighton, Southampton and others in the South-East which would benefit from light rail .
    In contrast the North and Midlands has the large Manchester based network still expanding,
    Birmingham also expanding, Sheffield, Nottingham and though in Scotland Edinburgh has got some of its original plans realised and is considering more.
    Blackpool too though somewhat different than the others has seen
    significant investment in recent times that has seen it change from what
    had become a historic anachronism to a modern system .

    And Croydon has seen no route expansion at all, unlike Manchester,
    Birmingham, Nottingham, Sheffield, Blackpool and Edinburgh. Various
    extensions have been proposed,but thererCOs no money for them. And while the DLR Thamesmead extension is going ahead, TfL has to find the money itself.
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  • From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 13:08:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    In message <msk764Fc9r6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:19:16 on Mon, 12
    Jan 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:

    [trams]

    the North and Midlands has the large Manchester based network still >expanding, Birmingham also expanding, Sheffield, Nottingham and though
    in Scotland Edinburgh has got some of its original plans realised and
    is considering more.

    I understand that the second phase of the Nottingham tram (NET2) has disappointing ridership, so perhaps not good news for other proposed
    schemes.
    --
    Roland Perry
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  • From Recliner@recliner.usenet@gmail.com to uk.railway on Mon Jan 12 14:22:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.railway

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 13:08:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

    In message <msk764Fc9r6U1@mid.individual.net>, at 12:19:16 on Mon, 12
    Jan 2026, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:

    [trams]

    the North and Midlands has the large Manchester based network still >>expanding, Birmingham also expanding, Sheffield, Nottingham and though
    in Scotland Edinburgh has got some of its original plans realised and
    is considering more.

    I understand that the second phase of the Nottingham tram (NET2) has >disappointing ridership, so perhaps not good news for other proposed >schemes.

    Birmingham and Manchester keep expanding.
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