It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array
of cards.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my u25 of business [gross profit around u16] elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to
see.
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to >>> see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the >case these days.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket.
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash. >>>>>
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to >>>> see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is successfully getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of crisps.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash. >>>>>>
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the >>>>>> contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>>>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to >>>>> see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and >>>> cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the >>> case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential
customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket. >>People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they
need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >customers will choose card.
Of course, they also need to sell a product/service that people are
willing to go to the trouble of using cash, rather than going elsewhere
(as you did). A decent fish and chip shop can probably manage this, as
ones that consistently provide a good product are few and far between.
I try to avoid cash only establishments because of the feeling that
something untoward is occurring.
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>>>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash. >>>>>>>
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the >>>>>>> contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>>>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to >>>>>> see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and >>>>> cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the >>>> case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential
customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they
need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their
customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the
Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash. >>>>>
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for
others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is successfully getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket.
On 08/01/2026 17:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash. >>>>>>
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the >>>>>> contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>>>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and >>>> cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the >>> case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly
fewer potential customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>supermarket.
If their card receipts are too high, it cuts down the amount of extra
(or undeclared) cash they can declare and keep it seeming reasonable.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 JanIsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well their >cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 JanMy point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>>>>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash. >>>>>>>>
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the >>>>>>>> contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>>>>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and >>>>>> cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the >>>>> case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is successfully >>>> getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential
customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of crisps. >>>
need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their
customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the
Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by folk >who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >phone.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand
out offering, or is losing trade.
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 JanIsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16]
elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of
cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential
customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the
supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of
crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the
Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
their
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by
folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >> phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand
out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 JanIsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16]
elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the
supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of
crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the
Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
their
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are
simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by
folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >>> phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a
minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills
linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
The last time I had to use cash was at the start
of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 JanIsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16]
elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the
supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of
crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the
Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
their
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are
simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by
folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >>> phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a
minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills
linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:IsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well >>>> their
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>>>> supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of >>>>>>> crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the >>>>> Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are
simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by
folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >>>> phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a
minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills
linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer cash or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want card. IrCOm
not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was at the start
of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards. EasyJet wonrCOt take cash for onboard purchases. The only mystery to me is at our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan >>2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 JanIsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, >>>>>>>>8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>>numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only >>>>>>>>>>takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who >>>>>>>>>>claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>>>elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a >>>>>>>>>>mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>>others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>>cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is >>>>>>>increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is >>>>>>successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>>>supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of >>>>>>crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the
Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
well their
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
are simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely runPart of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2, >>which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
by folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >>> phone.
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a >>>standOr simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds,
out offering, or is losing trade.
not a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't
have tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises
tend to. They add up the bill in their head, then would have to go
find the gadget, take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
On 09/01/2026 08:59, Tweed wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:IsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well >>>>> their
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>>>>> supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of >>>>>>>> crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the >>>>>> Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are >>>> simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by >>>>> folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile
phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>>>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a >>>> minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills >>>> linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer cash >> or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want card. IrCOm
not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has
fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was at the start >> of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
EasyJet wonrCOt take cash for onboard purchases. The only mystery to me is at
our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump >> and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are
cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:IsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well >>>> their
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>>>> supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of >>>>>>> crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the >>>>> Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are
simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by
folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile >>>> phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a
minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills
linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer cash >or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want card. IrCOm >not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has >fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was at the start
of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
EasyJet wonrCOt take cash for onboard purchases. The only mystery to me is at >our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump >and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are >cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
The only mystery to me is at
our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
Tweed wrote:
The last time I had to use cash was at the start
of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
For me it was when my bank flagged-up some rejected transactions on my
debit card, when I confirmed it wasn't me they cancelled the card and
said they would send out a new one. Having a couple of hundred in my
wallet
meant it was only a minor inconvenience for a few days, not a major one
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a
minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills
linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
Also has the benefit with some products like a loaf of bread isnrCOt handled >by hands that have also touched coins that have been rattling around in >various trouser pockets next to sweaty genitals,
though many better traders do sometimes wear gloves they donrCOt change them >for every transaction.
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump and go to the kiosk toMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are cash in hand >>trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
ItrCOs a nice area :)About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pumpMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are
cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk toMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand
trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk toMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand
trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds,
not a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't
have tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises
tend to. They add up the bill in their head, then would have to go
find the gadget, take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Also possibly easier to adjust the portion size fish and chips so that
the price is a nice round figure so reducing time spent giving change.
I don't visit fish and chip shops often but they mostly seem to be
still run by local British people?
In message <10jqnoc$2aj0t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:11:06 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds,
not a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't
have tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises
tend to. They add up the bill in their head, then would have to go
find the gadget, take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Also possibly easier to adjust the portion size fish and chips so that
the price is a nice round figure so reducing time spent giving change.
To some extent. My purchase yesterday was -u10.50 a portion, which also fails the -uxx.99 test. Looking at their price list just now, many are -uxx.30
I don't visit fish and chip shops often but they mostly seem to be
still run by local British people?
The fish and chip shop I use the most (which is near a friends house,
not here) is run by Turkish/Greek/??? staff. I couldn't exactly place
the accent.
The one I bought from yesterday, had a server of similar nationality,
and the fact they are closed Tuesdays makes me think the proprietors
could be oriental. rumblesely.co.uk
In message <10jqg12$288n1$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:59:14 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:IsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well >>>>> their
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, >>>>>>>> 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>>>>> supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of >>>>>>>> crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible
scale they
need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of >>>>>>> their
customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the >>>>>> Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are >>>> simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by >>>>> folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a >>>>> mobile
phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a >>>>> stand
out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a >>>> minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills >>>> linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer
cash
or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want card.
IrCOm
not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has
fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was at the
start
of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
On the other hand, I find places which are cash-only quite frequently.
Maybe people who live in large metropolitan areas find it's different.
EasyJet wonrCOt take cash for onboard purchases. The only mystery to me
is at
our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump >> and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes
or are
cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
I'm pretty sure they are people who have read the scare stories about
the pumps taking (in the case of Tesco) -u120 off the card immediately,
and only refunding the balance later. That and those holding Tesco
Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely
temperamental about.
Also, and especially for ladies (who unless of the nocturnal sort are
often cash tradespeople), they are avoiding:
Get out of car and go to pump
Remember they need a card
Go back inside the car and retrieve their handbag, rummage around for
-a their purse, and find one.
Return to the pumps and wait for quite a while as it authorises the
-a transaction.
Wonder what to do with the card now - shall I hold it in teeth, or shove
-a it down my bra?
Goes back to the car, finds the handbag again, finds the purse again,
-a and stores the card.
Returns to the pump to dispense the fuel.
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not
a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have
tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to.
They add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the
gadget, take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Also possibly easier to adjust the portion size fish and chips so that
the price is a nice round figure so reducing time spent giving change.
I don't visit fish and chip shops often but they mostly seem to be still
run by local British people?
In message <10jqh52$28j2u$1@andyburns.eternal-september.org>, at
09:18:17 on Fri, 9 Jan 2026, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> remarked:
Tweed wrote:
The last time I had to use cash was at the start
of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
For me it was when my bank flagged-up some rejected transactions on my
debit card, when I confirmed it wasn't me they cancelled the card and
said they would send out a new one.-a Having a couple of hundred in my
wallet
The first time I read that I thought "my, that must be a big wallet for
that many cards".
meant it was only a minor inconvenience for a few days, not a major one
I never leave the house with fewer than about five cards. Although the number is decreasing, and I've resisted the temptation to get a Tesco branded one for extra features. Somewhere one of my cards has enough
points to get a free flight to Australia and back, but I'm not rushing
to redeem them.
Back in the day, British Rail only took Amex, and John Lewis only took
their own card. Several international hotel chains had links with cards which again got you extra privileges as well as points.
My most recent card is because that was the only UK bank I could find prepared to link** directly to my wearable, something they forgot to mention*** in the sales blurb. In other countries, more banks have been signed up, but only if they issue Mastercards, not Visa.
It also means I can limit my exposure to lost/stolen wearable by only topping up about -u100 into the account.
** I think this is because the transactions are marked as e-money, which like crypto-currency purchases, gambling and so on, many banks simply
refuse to allow because there are what they consider significant issues
with payment protection.
*** I had a long conversation with their customer service people about
this, and their attitude was "you are lucky we even agree to ship them
to UK, and nobody forced you to buy it".
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk toMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand
trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
** There's a bug in the pay-by-phone app I use,
On 09/01/2026 08:59, Tweed wrote:
The only mystery to me is at
our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump >> and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are
cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
I am not in any of those categories but I never pay at the pump, always
by card inside the 'kiosk'.
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk toMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the
pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.
risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk toMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing
pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.
the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is remarkable.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] elsewhere, to a >>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to >>> see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the case these days.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket.
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing
the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9
Jan 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk >>>>>to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>>hand trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing >>>>the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttonsAnd then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
is remarkable.
Now they knew about "smart gloves" this is no longer a problem.
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kioskMaybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing
to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>hand trades people offloading some of their cash.
the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is >remarkable.
On 09/01/2026 10:46, Roland Perry wrote:
** There's a bug in the pay-by-phone app I use,
Somehow I am not surprised
In message <10jqtf5$2cd2l$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:38 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is
remarkable.
It all takes time, and to put them back on again. And where do you put
the gloves when you've taken them off?
The whole thing is such a palaver, people just go into the kiosk to pay instead. Remember, that's what we are discussing.
In message <10jqsp6$2bmqg$5@dont-email.me>, at 12:36:54 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing
the-a risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
-aAnd then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of-a winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them.-a They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
How many people wear those when driving their car?
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of
winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is remarkable.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>>> 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of >>>> winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is
remarkable.
For me It comes and goes sometimes with years in between but Raynauds disease when it strikes
and makes the fingers dead can make pushing those buttons or touching their equivalent on a touchscreen extremely difficult. Contactless became a blessing in such circumstances.
I did though give up on wearing thick gloves as I found thin cotton ones were just as effective at keeping wind off which seemed to set it off in my case. They can be bought cheap enough in quantity
that cutting the finger tips off means you can still use your finger tips
and keep the wind off.
Other wise I do have some thick gloves made with half fingers, ironically considering what are talking about I grew up knowing these as Petrol Attendants Gloves or Mittens but that names is likely extinct
for most as are most petrol attendants. Some pairs are convertible and
have a flap that will cover the finger tops if required but that can become nuisance if it doesnrCOt stay folded in and flops around.
GH
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqtf5$2cd2l$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:38 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>>>> 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of >>>>> winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is
remarkable.
It all takes time, and to put them back on again. And where do you put
the gloves when you've taken them off?
The whole thing is such a palaver, people just go into the kiosk to pay
instead. Remember, that's what we are discussing.
Taking a glove off and shoving it in your coat pocket
really isnrCOt a palaver.
ItrCOs less of an effort than wandering off to the kiosk and
potentially waiting to be served.
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk >>>>>>pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>>>trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing >>>>>the-a risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
-aAnd then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the
middle of-a winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens >>>without removing them.-a They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
How many people wear those when driving their car?
When I use gloves while driving in winter, I use "smart gloves" but I
bought them for cycling in winter; the only nonsmart gloves I (or my >children) have are skiing gloves, which I only use for skiing and for >cycling in sub-zero temperatures.
The more relevant question is "how many people use gloves while driving
in winter, and what proportion of the gloves used is of type 'smart'?",
of if you wish, "what proportion of gloves lying around in cars for the >off-chance are 'smart'?"
Given that most non-woolen general purpose gloves these days are
'smart',
you can expect that this problem will have an answer of "over 90%" by
2030 - but who will still be so old-fashioned as to drive a car that
needs re-fuelling then?
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>>>> 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of >>>>> winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is
remarkable.
For me It comes and goes sometimes with years in between but Raynauds
disease when it strikes
and makes the fingers dead can make pushing those buttons or touching their >> equivalent on a touchscreen extremely difficult. Contactless became a
blessing in such circumstances.
I did though give up on wearing thick gloves as I found thin cotton ones
were just as effective at keeping wind off which seemed to set it off in my >> case. They can be bought cheap enough in quantity
that cutting the finger tips off means you can still use your finger tips
and keep the wind off.
Other wise I do have some thick gloves made with half fingers, ironically
considering what are talking about I grew up knowing these as Petrol
Attendants Gloves or Mittens but that names is likely extinct
for most as are most petrol attendants. Some pairs are convertible and
have a flap that will cover the finger tops if required but that can become >> nuisance if it doesnrCOt stay folded in and flops around.
GH
You have my sympathy as I suffer the same problem, but only once IrCOve let my fingers or toes get cold.
My main gripe with the kiosk payers is they block up the pump for other people whilst they go off to pay. At busy supermarket filling stations it leads to additional queues.
My main complaint about pay-at-pump is when it gives you fuel but then >refuses to give a receipt. Yes it's all recorded electronically, but I
like to have a tangible record that I have paid before I drive off!
In message <10jr2n7$2e3p8$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:18:15 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqtf5$2cd2l$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:38 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of >>>>>> winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens >>>>> without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is >>>> remarkable.
It all takes time, and to put them back on again. And where do you put
the gloves when you've taken them off?
The whole thing is such a palaver, people just go into the kiosk to pay
instead. Remember, that's what we are discussing.
Taking a glove off and shoving it in your coat pocket
Assuming you have on a coat with a suitable pocket.
really isnrCOt a palaver.
It's one of a series of palavers.
ItrCOs less of an effort than wandering off to the kiosk and
potentially waiting to be served.
Clearly a substantial number of people disagree with you.
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>>>> 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of >>>>> winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens
without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is
remarkable.
For me It comes and goes sometimes with years in between but Raynauds
disease when it strikes
and makes the fingers dead can make pushing those buttons or touching their >> equivalent on a touchscreen extremely difficult. Contactless became a
blessing in such circumstances.
I did though give up on wearing thick gloves as I found thin cotton ones
were just as effective at keeping wind off which seemed to set it off in my >> case. They can be bought cheap enough in quantity
that cutting the finger tips off means you can still use your finger tips
and keep the wind off.
Other wise I do have some thick gloves made with half fingers, ironically
considering what are talking about I grew up knowing these as Petrol
Attendants Gloves or Mittens but that names is likely extinct
for most as are most petrol attendants. Some pairs are convertible and
have a flap that will cover the finger tops if required but that can become >> nuisance if it doesnrCOt stay folded in and flops around.
GH
You have my sympathy as I suffer the same problem, but only once IrCOve let my fingers or toes get cold.
My main gripe with the kiosk payers is they block up the pump for other people whilst they go off to pay. At busy supermarket filling stations it leads to additional queues.
On 2026-01-09 14:48, Tweed wrote:
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing the >>>>>>> risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle of >>>>>> winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
There are such things as gloves which allow you to use touch screens >>>>> without removing them. They're called "smart gloves" and similar.
That someone finds it hard to remove their glove to press 6 buttons is >>>> remarkable.
For me It comes and goes sometimes with years in between but Raynauds
disease when it strikes
and makes the fingers dead can make pushing those buttons or touching their >>> equivalent on a touchscreen extremely difficult. Contactless became a >>> blessing in such circumstances.
I did though give up on wearing thick gloves as I found thin cotton ones >>> were just as effective at keeping wind off which seemed to set it off in my >>> case. They can be bought cheap enough in quantity
that cutting the finger tips off means you can still use your finger tips >>> and keep the wind off.
Other wise I do have some thick gloves made with half fingers, ironically >>> considering what are talking about I grew up knowing these as Petrol
Attendants Gloves or Mittens but that names is likely extinct
for most as are most petrol attendants. Some pairs are convertible and
have a flap that will cover the finger tops if required but that can become >>> nuisance if it doesnrCOt stay folded in and flops around.
GH
You have my sympathy as I suffer the same problem, but only once IrCOve let >> my fingers or toes get cold.
My main gripe with the kiosk payers is they block up the pump for other
people whilst they go off to pay. At busy supermarket filling stations it
leads to additional queues.
My main complaint about pay-at-pump is when it gives you fuel but then refuses to give a receipt. Yes it's all recorded electronically, but I
like to have a tangible record that I have paid before I drive off!
Obviously no problem on unattended pumps where you cannot accidentally
press the wrong button.
nib
In message <10jqt87$2c974$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:44:55 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 10:46, Roland Perry wrote:
** There's a bug in the pay-by-phone app I use,
Somehow I am not surprised
What, that I'm observant enough to notice it, and then concerned enough
to post about it?
It's one of a series of palavers.
ItrCOs less of an effort than wandering off to the kiosk and
potentially waiting to be served.
Clearly a substantial number of people disagree with you.
Well clearly they do. IrCOm attempting to understand their motivation. IrCOm >sure that taking a glove off isnrCOt one of them.
My main complaint about pay-at-pump is when it gives you fuel but thenIf you press the pay at kiosk button then you donrCOt get to enter your card >pin. Entering that pin is sufficient to know you are going to pay by card.
refuses to give a receipt. Yes it's all recorded electronically, but I
like to have a tangible record that I have paid before I drive off!
Obviously no problem on unattended pumps where you cannot accidentally
press the wrong button.
nib
If the pin or card are refused you donrCOt get any fuel.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqt87$2c974$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:44:55 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 10:46, Roland Perry wrote:
** There's a bug in the pay-by-phone app I use,
Somehow I am not surprised
What, that I'm observant enough to notice it, and then concerned enough
to post about it?
<stare strength=rCLhardrCY/>
In message <10jr7ab$2fk3j$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:36:43 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
My main complaint about pay-at-pump is when it gives you fuel but thenIf you press the pay at kiosk button then you donrCOt get to enter your card >> pin. Entering that pin is sufficient to know you are going to pay by card. >> If the pin or card are refused you donrCOt get any fuel.
refuses to give a receipt. Yes it's all recorded electronically, but I
like to have a tangible record that I have paid before I drive off!
Obviously no problem on unattended pumps where you cannot accidentally
press the wrong button.
nib
I don't follow that at all. Press "pay at kiosk", then you mention
things which are pay-at-pump.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jr7ab$2fk3j$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:36:43 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
My main complaint about pay-at-pump is when it gives you fuel but then >>>> refuses to give a receipt. Yes it's all recorded electronically, but I >>>> like to have a tangible record that I have paid before I drive off!If you press the pay at kiosk button then you donrCOt get to enter your card
Obviously no problem on unattended pumps where you cannot accidentally >>>> press the wrong button.
nib
pin. Entering that pin is sufficient to know you are going to pay by card. >>> If the pin or card are refused you donrCOt get any fuel.
I don't follow that at all. Press "pay at kiosk", then you mention
things which are pay-at-pump.
IrCOd assumed that nib was worried that without a receipt he couldnrCOt prove he had paid. He then mentioned pressing the wrong button. I assumed this meant he was worried that at a pump where you can choose to pay at kiosk or at pump he was worried he might have selected kiosk accidentally rather
than pay at pump. I was pointing out that if you select pay at kiosk you donrCOt get to enter your pin.
If my assumptions are wrong then I apologise to nib.
Also has the benefit with some products like a loaf of bread isnrCOt handled by hands that have also touched coins that have been rattling around in various trouser pockets next to sweaty genitals,
though many better traders do sometimes wear gloves they donrCOt change them for every transaction.
Tesco Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely temperamental about.
Roland Perry wrote:
Tesco Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely >>temperamental about.
They used to [appear to] be very temperamental last time they updated
the pumps here, either they've fixed them, or I was holding the card
wrong!
Roland Perry wrote:
Tesco Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely
temperamental about.
They used to [appear to] be very temperamental last time they updated
the pumps here, either they've fixed them, or I was holding the card wrong!
In message <10jqtf9$2c974$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:41 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9
Jan-a 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk to >>>>>> pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in hand >>>>>> trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing
the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of-a winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
-aVery good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In message <10jqt87$2c974$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:44:55 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 10:46, Roland Perry wrote:
** There's a bug in the pay-by-phone app I use,
Somehow I am not surprised
What, that I'm observant enough to notice it, and then concerned enough
to post about it?
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
Tesco Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely
temperamental about.
They used to [appear to] be very temperamental last time they updated
the pumps here, either they've fixed them, or I was holding the card wrong!
Is it even worth the effort. 50 litres of petrol costs around -u65. That
gets you a whole 25p worth of club card points. 0.4% rebate.
ItrCOs amazing how the retailers have us trained.
On 09/01/2026 13:50, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqt87$2c974$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:44:55 on Fri, 9 Jan >>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 10:46, Roland Perry wrote:
** There's a bug in the pay-by-phone app I use,
Somehow I am not surprised
What, that I'm observant enough to notice it, and then concerned
enough to post about it?
Strangely enough, no. How observant do you have to be to notice a >transaction has failed?
On 09/01/2026 13:41, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqtf9$2c974$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:41 on Fri, 9 Jan >>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 >>>>>Jan-a 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the >>>>>>>kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a >>>>>>>cash in hand trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, >>>>>>reducing the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle >>>>>of-a winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
-aVery good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the
car.
You are a certified geek, you mean you don't have a pocket full?
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous >>>> passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission).
So I took my u25 of business [gross profit around u16] elsewhere, to a >>>> nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a mind-boggling array >>>> of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for others to >>> see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is increasingly the >case these days.
ItAs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the supermarket.
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
On 08/01/2026 14:18, Roland Perry wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes cash.
That seems to be common at fish and chip shops. I don't see a problem with it.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqnoc$2aj0t$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:11:06 on Fri, 9 Jan 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds,
not a minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't
have tills linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises
tend to. They add up the bill in their head, then would have to go
find the gadget, take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Also possibly easier to adjust the portion size fish and chips so that
the price is a nice round figure so reducing time spent giving change.
To some extent. My purchase yesterday was -u10.50 a portion, which also fails the -uxx.99 test. Looking at their price list just now, many are -uxx.30
I don't visit fish and chip shops often but they mostly seem to be
still run by local British people?
The fish and chip shop I use the most (which is near a friends house,
not here) is run by Turkish/Greek/??? staff. I couldn't exactly place
the accent.
The one I bought from yesterday, had a server of similar nationality,
and the fact they are closed Tuesdays makes me think the proprietors
could be oriental. rumblesely.co.uk
Almost certainly Turkish. Could be mainland Turkey or Turkish Cypriot, but
I think the latter is more likely.
In message <10jqg12$288n1$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:59:14 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 09/01/2026 06:45, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jouh2$1opca$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:54:26 on Thu, 8 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joprm$1n4mo$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:34:46 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:IsnrCOt that my point? They take only cash. If they take cards as well >>>>> their
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jom40$1lkt8$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:30:56 on Thu, 8 Jan >>>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10joht0$1j8m4$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:18:56 on Thu, 8 >>>>>>>>>> Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
It seems the busiest fish and chip shop in town (according to >>>>>>>>>>>> numerous
passive aggressive signs ranting about commissions) only takes >>>>>>>>>>>> cash.
Which somewhat invalidates the militant cashless pubs who claim >>>>>>>>>>>> the
contrary (that banking cash costs more than card commission). >>>>>>>>>>>>
So I took my -u25 of business [gross profit around -u16] >>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere, to a
nearby but quieter fish and chip shop that takes a
mind-boggling array
of cards.
Depends what the owner of the establishment wants recorded for >>>>>>>>>>> others to
see.
That is sometimes alleged too, but if they take a *mixture* of >>>>>>>>>> cash and
cards, they can still run that fiddle.
Not if the bulk of their customers pay by card, which is
increasingly the
case these days.
Given that the very busy fish and chip shop in question is
successfully
getting cash off 100% of its customers (if slightly fewer potential >>>>>>>> customers) I don't think that's an issue.
ItrCOs a bit of an event when someone tries to pay cash at the >>>>>>>>> supermarket.
People are often buying more than a pint of beer and a packet of >>>>>>>> crisps.
My point was that if a shop wishes to fiddle on any sensible scale they >>>>>>> need to only accept cash. If they also accept cards then most of their >>>>>>> customers will choose card.
In this instance I disagree with you. The shop in question is on the >>>>>> Market Square, and several market traders (including a regulalr
burger-bar) only take cash.
cash take will plummet and make fiddling harder.
I don't think the majority of those traders are on the fiddle, they are >>>> simply goatherders.
That said, there are some honest cash only businesses, largely run by >>>>> folk
who donrCOt understand how easy it is to hook a card reader up to a mobile
phone.
Part of the problem is that most of the card-taking gadgets use O2,
which has little or no coverage in the Market Sqaure. Crazy, I know,
but it's been like that for ever.
Anyone shop/trader these days who is cash only either has to have a stand >>>>> out offering, or is losing trade.
Or simply wants to conduct transactions in cash in a few seconds, not a >>>> minute or more using a card-taking gadget. The traders don't have tills >>>> linked to expensive C&P like bricks and mortar premises tend to. They
add up the bill in their head, then would have to go find the gadget,
take off their gloves, type in the amount, etc etc.
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular
two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer cash >> or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want card. IrCOm
not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has
fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was at the start >> of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
On the other hand, I find places which are cash-only quite frequently.
Maybe people who live in large metropolitan areas find it's different.
In message <10jria8$2jfcb$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:44:24 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:Is it even worth the effort. 50 litres of petrol costs around -u65. That
Tesco Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely
temperamental about.
They used to [appear to] be very temperamental last time they updated
the pumps here, either they've fixed them, or I was holding the card wrong! >>
gets you a whole 25p worth of club card points. 0.4% rebate.
ItrCOs amazing how the retailers have us trained.
Admittedly, the rebate has reduced over the years. But it all adds up.
In message <10jqtf9$2c974$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:41 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9
Jan 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk >>>>>> to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>>> hand trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing
the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqtf9$2c974$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:41 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9
Jan 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk >>>>>>> to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>>>> hand trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing >>>>>> the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen so not ideal for pressing buttons.
On 10/01/2026 20:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqtf9$2c974$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:41 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9
Jan-a 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk >>>>>>>> to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>>>>> hand trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing >>>>>>> the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle >>>>>> of-a winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box.-a It is, however, a clicky pen so >> not ideal for pressing buttons.
B&M sell suitable pens for -u1.
Or Turkish Greeks.
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle
of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen so >not ideal for pressing buttons.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jria8$2jfcb$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:44:24 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
Tesco Loyalty Cards, which the readers on the pumps are extremely
temperamental about.
They used to [appear to] be very temperamental last time they updated
the pumps here, either they've fixed them, or I was holding the card wrong!
Is it even worth the effort. 50 litres of petrol costs around -u65. That >>> gets you a whole 25p worth of club card points. 0.4% rebate.
ItrCOs amazing how the retailers have us trained.
Admittedly, the rebate has reduced over the years. But it all adds up.
Every little helps!
Doesn't seem to worry them in my local markets. We have two, a regular >>>> two day market every week and a Farmers market once a month.
Transactions seem just as quick or quicker using a card. The
stallholders have a reader in their pockets and don't have to fiddle
about making change.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer cash
or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want card. IrCOm
not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has >>> fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was at the start >>> of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped taking cards.
On the other hand, I find places which are cash-only quite frequently.
Maybe people who live in large metropolitan areas find it's different.
I live in a small metropolis (Edinburgh, pop ~500k) and I come across a >smattering of small businesses that take card only and a similar smattering >which take cash only. I havenrCOt done a rigorous survey.
I have a couple of pairs of fingerless gloves that I keep in my camera
bag, also used to have a pair silk gloves which are a nice tight fit
(they are worn underneath heavy mittens or gloves in cold conditions but
can be useful for something needing more 'feel' than thick gloves).
I have a couple of pairs of fingerless gloves that I keep in my camera
bag, also used to have a pair silk gloves which are a nice tight fit
(they are worn underneath heavy mittens or gloves in cold conditions
but can be useful for something needing more 'feel' than thick gloves).
There are also mittens which allow the fingers to poke out when needed
then quickly pulled back into the mitten.
On 10/01/2026 20:22, Coffee wrote:
On 10/01/2026 20:20, Sam Wilson wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10jqtf9$2c974$2@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:41 on Fri, 9 Jan
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 09/01/2026 11:41, ColinR wrote:
On 09/01/2026 11:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10jqmke$29e9m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:51:59 on Fri, 9 >>>>>>> Jan-a 2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
About half of all users wonrCOt pay at pump-a and go to the kiosk >>>>>>>>> to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are-a cash in >>>>>>>>> hand trades people offloading some of their cash.Maybe they feel it is safer to pay indoors than outdoors, reducing >>>>>>>> the risk of being mugged and having their card stolen...
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle >>>>>>> of-a winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box.-a It is, however, a clicky pen so
not ideal for pressing buttons.
B&M sell suitable pens for -u1.
So do Flying Tiger
In message <10juca0$3e49p$2@dont-email.me>, at 20:20:16 on Sat, 10 Jan
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle >>>>>> of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen so >> not ideal for pressing buttons.
And of course retrieving that, and putting it back afterwards, lengthens
the entire process.
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 10:22:03 +0000
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
I have a couple of pairs of fingerless gloves that I keep in my camera
bag, also used to have a pair silk gloves which are a nice tight fit
(they are worn underneath heavy mittens or gloves in cold conditions but
can be useful for something needing more 'feel' than thick gloves).
Fingerless gloves were fashionable amongst the 'ard lads when I was at school in the 80s then they disappeared. What goes around...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 10:22:03 +0000
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
I have a couple of pairs of fingerless gloves that I keep in my camera
bag, also used to have a pair silk gloves which are a nice tight fit
(they are worn underneath heavy mittens or gloves in cold conditions but >>> can be useful for something needing more 'feel' than thick gloves).
Fingerless gloves were fashionable amongst the 'ard lads when I was at school
in the 80s then they disappeared. What goes around...
Also favoured by Albert Steptoe, ISTR.
Though IrCOm not sure that would count as fashionable.
And then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle >>>>>>> of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen so >>> not ideal for pressing buttons.
And of course retrieving that, and putting it back afterwards, lengthens
the entire process.
ThatrCOs OK, I donrCOt use it for pressing buttons, just for writing the trip >milage on the receipt so I can calculate the mpg when I get home.
My observation too. At several such markets IrCOve asked if they prefer
cash or card, and the response is either they donrCOt care or they want
card. IrCOm not a militant anti cash type, but IrCOve noticed my own use of cash has fallen to almost nothing. The last time I had to use cash was
at the start of M&SrCOs cyber attack when their tills suddenly stopped
taking cards. EasyJet wonrCOt take cash for onboard purchases. The only mystery to me is at our local Tesco petrol station. About half of all
users wonrCOt pay at pump and go to the kiosk to pay. IrCOm assuming they either want cigarettes or are cash in hand trades people offloading some
of their cash.
Sufficient that you might decide it's easier just to pay at the kiosk.
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 16:40:04 -0000 (UTC)
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> gabbled:
<boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 10:22:03 +0000
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
I have a couple of pairs of fingerless gloves that I keep in my camera >>>> bag, also used to have a pair silk gloves which are a nice tight fit
(they are worn underneath heavy mittens or gloves in cold conditions but >>>> can be useful for something needing more 'feel' than thick gloves).
Fingerless gloves were fashionable amongst the 'ard lads when I was at school
in the 80s then they disappeared. What goes around...
Also favoured by Albert Steptoe, ISTR.
Though IrCOm not sure that would count as fashionable.
More that salt-o-the-earth riff that (mostlY) middle class wannabe toughs were
aiming for. At my school anyway.
In message <10k0jbv$1gtn$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:33:03 on Sun, 11 Jan
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen soAnd then there's the issue of taking your gloves off in the middle >>>>>>>> of winter to press the buttons on the petrol pump.
Very good point, especially in the last few days!
Use the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car. >>>>
not ideal for pressing buttons.
And of course retrieving that, and putting it back afterwards, lengthens >>> the entire process.
ThatrCOs OK, I donrCOt use it for pressing buttons, just for writing the trip
milage on the receipt so I can calculate the mpg when I get home.
Doesn't matter what *you* do. It's the *other* people choosing to use
the kiosk (rather than the pump) to pay, we are discussing.
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen soUse the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car. >>>>>
not ideal for pressing buttons.
And of course retrieving that, and putting it back afterwards, lengthens >>>> the entire process.
ThatrCOs OK, I donrCOt use it for pressing buttons, just for writing the trip
milage on the receipt so I can calculate the mpg when I get home.
Doesn't matter what *you* do. It's the *other* people choosing to use
the kiosk (rather than the pump) to pay, we are discussing.
You were saying there might be a pen in a handbag in the car. IrCOm just >saying thererCOs one permanently in our car, but not in a handbag (and I >happen not to use it for pressing buttons).
In message <10k2n8i$2acs4$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:51:47 on Mon, 12 Jan
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
In our car thererCOs one in the glove box. It is, however, a clicky pen soUse the blunt end of a pen.
Great idea. There might be one in the lady's handbag, inside the car. >>>>>>
not ideal for pressing buttons.
And of course retrieving that, and putting it back afterwards, lengthens >>>>> the entire process.
ThatrCOs OK, I donrCOt use it for pressing buttons, just for writing the trip
milage on the receipt so I can calculate the mpg when I get home.
Doesn't matter what *you* do. It's the *other* people choosing to use
the kiosk (rather than the pump) to pay, we are discussing.
You were saying there might be a pen in a handbag in the car. IrCOm just
saying thererCOs one permanently in our car, but not in a handbag (and I
happen not to use it for pressing buttons).
Again, it doesn't matter what *you* do.
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