From Newsgroup: uk.net.news.moderation

I made a couple of replies to the OP in "looming probate/administration"
in ulm. The second has been marked as "SPAM". There are three entries in "Recent activity" at
<https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm> relating to
this second reply, and all are marked as "SPAM".

I'm pretty sure they aren't spam, and in any case I thought spam got
rejected by the bot or moderator before it got to ulm, so to actually
see something marked as "SPAM" is pretty odd.

What has happened here?
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Jeff

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On 2025-12-03, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I made a couple of replies to the OP in "looming probate/administration"
in ulm. The second has been marked as "SPAM". There are three entries in "Recent activity" at
<https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm> relating to
this second reply, and all are marked as "SPAM".

I'm pretty sure they aren't spam, and in any case I thought spam got rejected by the bot or moderator before it got to ulm, so to actually
see something marked as "SPAM" is pretty odd.

What has happened here?

A mail server between either your ISP or your news service provider
and the moderation server (chiark) has decided your message looked
like spam and put '[SPAM]' in the Subject: header.

I don't think this is something that chiark does, so it must be one
of the other mail servers involved.

It's nothing to do with the moderation system, and your post has
been approved into the group.

There's nothing much to be done at the moment except wait and see
if it was an aberration or whether it keeps happening.
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On 03/12/2025 14:29, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-12-03, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I made a couple of replies to the OP in "looming probate/administration"
in ulm. The second has been marked as "SPAM". There are three entries in
"Recent activity" at
<https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm> relating to
this second reply, and all are marked as "SPAM".

I'm pretty sure they aren't spam, and in any case I thought spam got
rejected by the bot or moderator before it got to ulm, so to actually
see something marked as "SPAM" is pretty odd.

What has happened here?

A mail server between either your ISP or your news service provider
and the moderation server (chiark) has decided your message looked
like spam and put '[SPAM]' in the Subject: header.

I don't think this is something that chiark does, so it must be one
of the other mail servers involved.

It's nothing to do with the moderation system, and your post has
been approved into the group.

There's nothing much to be done at the moment except wait and see
if it was an aberration or whether it keeps happening.

Thanks for the explanation.

I thought it more likely to be eternal-september than my ISP, so checked
with Ray (the administrator of e-s). His reply was:
"Although E-S uses Spamassassin on the Usenet server, articles exceeding
the spam score will never be flagged as spam, they will be rejected, so
the sender will see an error message when submitting such an article. Submissions to moderated groups are never scanned by Spamassassin on the
Usenet server.

After more detailed research:

The MTA infrastructure on E-S was moved from the public network to an
internal private network last week and the new network was not
configured as a trusted network on the relay server, hence the
Spamassassin filter of the relay mail server kicked in and marked the
article as SPAM.

Sorry for the confusion."

As to why the first article wasn't marked SPAM, and the second was, his explanation was:
"There are several redundant MTAs in the setup and only one of them
was misconfigured. Obviously, the two articles travelled on different
paths."
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Jeff
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