On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:30:40 +0000, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com>
wrote:
On 08/11/2025 09:20, Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 20:53:15 +0000, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com>
wrote:
Restoring bits you snipped:
[|ore4-a]
We don't know what advice the Queen had, or whether she accepted it.
So what makes you think that Virginia Giuffre "persuaded" her?
No answer?
[|ore4-a.]
Three mundane quick fucks. Twelve million pounds. So, four million >>pounds per fuck. Obviously no American jury would have awarded that.
So why do you think the Queen paid it?
No answer?
[|ore4-a]
And the payment was objectively immoral.
Where did I try to defend it?
No answer but it's pretty obvious that you couldn't answer it because
I didn't try to defend it.
[|ore4-a]
To suppress a scandal by trying to
pay off an accuser, rather than let the case take its course and see >>what if anything the jury awards, is a thoroughly disgusting decision.
Did I suggest it isn't?
Ditto
Do you seriously believe that a young teenager from a troubled >>background is entitled to break the law with impunity?
Where did I suggest that?
Ditto
As I have told you several times before, I really, really wish that
you would respond to things I actually said rather than trying to
attack me on made-up things.
https://www.independent.co.uk/us/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-sentencing-b2111452.html
Ghislaine Maxwell calls meeting Jeffrey Epstein 'the biggest regret of >>> my life' at sentencing
She told the Manhattan federal court: "I empathised deeply with all the >>> victims in this case. I realize I have been convicted of assisting
Jeffrey Epstein to commit these crimes. My associate with Epstein will >>> permanently stain me. It is the biggest regret of my life than I ever
met him.
"I believe Jeffrey Epstein fooled all of those in his orbit. His victims >>> considered him a mentor, friend, lover. Jeffrey Epstein should have
stood before you. In 2005. In 2009. And again in 2019. But today it is >>> for me to be sentenced. I am sorry for the pain you have experience. I >>> hope my conviction and harsh incarceration brings you peace and
finality. I hope this date bring a terrible chapter to the end."
Her regret comes across at being caught and having to carry the can
rather than genuine remorse for what she actually did. You think
Andrew should have stood up in court and admitted his wrongdoings and
taken the result on the chin; why do you not apply the same principle
to Maxwell?
You evidently believe that you are able to judge whether a person's >remorse is genuine or fake.
I draw conclusions form what people say and do. *You* are the one who
goes beyond what they say and do and make up stories about what you
think they might really feel.
Is that because Jesus whispers in your ear?
As I think I told you before, persistent scratching at your itch will
only make it worse.
Amazing how you claim to see into a person's mind based on news reports.
Nope, I bow to your superior skills in that regard.
You have already said that if a friend was going through a desperate >crisis you would not feel able to give them emotional support unless
they expressed contrition for their sins in a form acceptable to you (I >paraphrase of course).
You paraphrase badly, I said no such thing.
You thereby illustrate the wisdom of the Reverend Prebendary Chad Varah, >founder of Samaritans. He said that his fellow priests and men of the >cloth lacked compassion and the ability to comfort those in emotional >pain, preferring to impose their religion-based morality on other
people, their hatred of homosexuality or pre-marital sex, their
judgments purporting to be God's judgments. Chad Varah rejected
religious dogma and was much admired for doing so.
FWIW, Jesus Christ was also pretty good at rejecting religious dogma.
Go thou and do likewise. It's never too late to learn to be a better person.
Stop scratching!!!!
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--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:30:40 +0000, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com>
wrote:
On 08/11/2025 09:20, Martin Harran wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 20:53:15 +0000, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com>
wrote:
Restoring bits you snipped:
[|ore4-a]
We don't know what advice the Queen had, or whether she accepted it.
So what makes you think that Virginia Giuffre "persuaded" her?
No answer?
[|ore4-a.]
Three mundane quick fucks. Twelve million pounds. So, four million
pounds per fuck. Obviously no American jury would have awarded that.
So why do you think the Queen paid it?
No answer?
[|ore4-a]
And the payment was objectively immoral.
Where did I try to defend it?
No answer but it's pretty obvious that you couldn't answer it because
I didn't try to defend it.
[|ore4-a]
DittoTo suppress a scandal by trying to
pay off an accuser, rather than let the case take its course and see
what if anything the jury awards, is a thoroughly disgusting decision.
Did I suggest it isn't?
Do you seriously believe that a young teenager from a troubled
background is entitled to break the law with impunity?
Where did I suggest that?
Ditto
As I have told you several times before, I really, really wish that
you would respond to things I actually said rather than trying to
attack me on made-up things.
https://www.independent.co.uk/us/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-sentencing-b2111452.html
Ghislaine Maxwell calls meeting Jeffrey Epstein 'the biggest regret of >> >>> my life' at sentencing
She told the Manhattan federal court: "I empathised deeply with all the >> >>> victims in this case. I realize I have been convicted of assisting
Jeffrey Epstein to commit these crimes. My associate with Epstein will >> >>> permanently stain me. It is the biggest regret of my life than I ever
met him.
"I believe Jeffrey Epstein fooled all of those in his orbit. His victims >> >>> considered him a mentor, friend, lover. Jeffrey Epstein should have
stood before you. In 2005. In 2009. And again in 2019. But today it is >> >>> for me to be sentenced. I am sorry for the pain you have experience. I >> >>> hope my conviction and harsh incarceration brings you peace and
finality. I hope this date bring a terrible chapter to the end."
Her regret comes across at being caught and having to carry the can
rather than genuine remorse for what she actually did. You think
Andrew should have stood up in court and admitted his wrongdoings and
taken the result on the chin; why do you not apply the same principle
to Maxwell?
You evidently believe that you are able to judge whether a person's
remorse is genuine or fake.
I draw conclusions form what people say and do. *You* are the one who
goes beyond what they say and do and make up stories about what you
think they might really feel.
Is that because Jesus whispers in your ear?
As I think I told you before, persistent scratching at your itch will
only make it worse.
Amazing how you claim to see into a person's mind based on news reports.
Nope, I bow to your superior skills in that regard.
You have already said that if a friend was going through a desperate
crisis you would not feel able to give them emotional support unless
they expressed contrition for their sins in a form acceptable to you (I
paraphrase of course).
You paraphrase badly, I said no such thing.
You thereby illustrate the wisdom of the Reverend Prebendary Chad Varah, >> >founder of Samaritans. He said that his fellow priests and men of the
cloth lacked compassion and the ability to comfort those in emotional
pain, preferring to impose their religion-based morality on other
people, their hatred of homosexuality or pre-marital sex, their
judgments purporting to be God's judgments. Chad Varah rejected
religious dogma and was much admired for doing so.
FWIW, Jesus Christ was also pretty good at rejecting religious dogma.
Go thou and do likewise. It's never too late to learn to be a better person.
Stop scratching!!!!
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