• rejection: Slaughter of Animals for Food

    From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jan 12 13:00:01 2026
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    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the initial argument was poorly founded.

    rCorCo-

    SpikerCOs post has been rejected as rCOhurtfulrCO.
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    Spike
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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jan 12 13:21:48 2026
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    On 2026-01-12, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Who he?

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the initial argument was poorly founded.

    rCorCo-

    SpikerCOs post has been rejected as rCOhurtfulrCO.

    Was that everything your post said? Or have you, for some inexplicable
    reason, neglected to mention most of it - like you have neglected to
    mention most of the rejection message?

    As an aside, is what I said really an "ad hom"? Or is it in fact
    pointing out that what you said was inexplicable nonsense, i.e.
    attacking your "argument", such as it is, rather than you? Opinions
    from anyone whose opinion I might value would be welcomed.
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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jan 12 13:46:19 2026
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    On 12 Jan 2026 at 13:21:48 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:

    On 2026-01-12, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Who he?

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien who has >> never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the initial
    argument was poorly founded.

    rCorCo-

    SpikerCOs post has been rejected as rCOhurtfulrCO.

    Was that everything your post said? Or have you, for some inexplicable reason, neglected to mention most of it - like you have neglected to
    mention most of the rejection message?

    As an aside, is what I said really an "ad hom"? Or is it in fact
    pointing out that what you said was inexplicable nonsense, i.e.
    attacking your "argument", such as it is, rather than you? Opinions
    from anyone whose opinion I might value would be welcomed.

    I thought you were clearly addressing the bizarre nature of his argument; however, it certainly looked like an ad hominem comment at first glance, and could have been expressed better.

    One has to be particularly careful when addressing people who, for one reason or another, frequently resort to irrational arguments.
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    Roger Hayter
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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Mon Jan 12 18:11:38 2026
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    "Spike" <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote in message news:msk9ihFcmkuU1@mid.individual.net...

    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the initial argument was poorly founded.

    Surely "pretending to be an alien" is only an extreme form of objectivity; which could possibly prove quite useful in an argument centred around
    human foibles ?

    A point you could possibly have made yourself; given the chance.

    Spike's post has been rejected as 'hurtful'.

    Whereas in posting

    " Another poster once referred to a moveable feast he called a Ribbins
    point , and it is clear what he meant,"

    it isn't at all clear what *you mean* in making a *specific* reference
    to another named poster; except that it may be assumed to involve
    something which you somehow feel constrained from actually mentioning
    in full. And so can only drop hints.

    So that Ribbens' comment was directed at a method of argument -
    pretending to be an alien - which you have chosen to adopt.
    Whereas your comment is directed specifically at "Ribbens points" -
    a method of argument specific to Ribbens, and so inevitably
    directed ad hominem. More especially as you don't explain
    exactly what you mean.



    bb



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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 11:27:20 2026
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    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the initial argument was poorly founded.

    rCorCo-

    SpikerCOs post has been rejected as rCOhurtfulrCO.

    Thanks to all who replied, with posts that perhaps revealed if not
    confirmed more than was intended.

    I must remember in future when posting on ulm that calling someone an alien
    is acceptable, unlike noting the use of ad homs which is deemed rCyhurtfulrCO. --
    Spike
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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 11:40:43 2026
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    On 1/13/26 11:27, Spike wrote:


    Thanks to all who replied, with posts that perhaps revealed if not
    confirmed more than was intended.

    I must remember in future when posting on ulm that calling someone an alien is acceptable, unlike noting the use of ad homs which is deemed rCyhurtfulrCO.


    If you want to point out a double standard, fine.

    Sarcasm, making a point by pretending you don't understand that there is
    a double standard, is unnecessarily confusing.

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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 11:59:46 2026
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    Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/13/26 11:27, Spike wrote:


    Thanks to all who replied, with posts that perhaps revealed if not
    confirmed more than was intended.

    I must remember in future when posting on ulm that calling someone an alien >> is acceptable, unlike noting the use of ad homs which is deemed rCyhurtfulrCO.


    If you want to point out a double standard, fine.

    Sarcasm, making a point by pretending you don't understand that there is
    a double standard, is unnecessarily confusing.

    Well, I was merely pointing out the absurdity of ulmrCOs position in the relevant exchange, by mentioning the specifics of this particular issue.
    --
    Spike
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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 12:49:17 2026
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    On 2026-01-13, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/13/26 11:27, Spike wrote:
    Thanks to all who replied, with posts that perhaps revealed if not
    confirmed more than was intended.

    I must remember in future when posting on ulm that calling someone an
    alien is acceptable, unlike noting the use of ad homs which is deemed
    rCyhurtfulrCO.

    If you want to point out a double standard, fine.

    Sarcasm, making a point by pretending you don't understand that there is
    a double standard, is unnecessarily confusing.

    The bigger problem is that he's simply outright lying; he's pretending
    that he doesn't understand that his post was not rejected for (falsely)
    "noting the use of ad homs".
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 13:19:43 2026
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    Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
    On 2026-01-13, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/13/26 11:27, Spike wrote:
    Thanks to all who replied, with posts that perhaps revealed if not
    confirmed more than was intended.

    I must remember in future when posting on ulm that calling someone an
    alien is acceptable, unlike noting the use of ad homs which is deemed
    rCyhurtfulrCO.

    If you want to point out a double standard, fine.

    Sarcasm, making a point by pretending you don't understand that there is
    a double standard, is unnecessarily confusing.

    The bigger problem is that he's simply outright lying; he's pretending
    that he doesn't understand that his post was not rejected for (falsely) "noting the use of ad homs".

    So tell us, just for the avoidance of doubt and in the interests of
    clarity, what it is that I said was rCyhurtfulrCO?
    --
    Spike
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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 14:06:28 2026
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    On 2026-01-13, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
    On 2026-01-13, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/13/26 11:27, Spike wrote:
    Thanks to all who replied, with posts that perhaps revealed if not
    confirmed more than was intended.

    I must remember in future when posting on ulm that calling someone an
    alien is acceptable, unlike noting the use of ad homs which is deemed
    rCyhurtfulrCO.

    If you want to point out a double standard, fine.

    Sarcasm, making a point by pretending you don't understand that there is >>> a double standard, is unnecessarily confusing.

    The bigger problem is that he's simply outright lying; he's pretending
    that he doesn't understand that his post was not rejected for (falsely)
    "noting the use of ad homs".

    So tell us, just for the avoidance of doubt and in the interests of
    clarity, what it is that I said was rCyhurtfulrCO?

    You're also lying that it was rejected for being "hurtful" when you
    know perfectly well that the rejection message said "abusive or
    hurtful".

    And you're lying when you're claiming you're so stupid that you can't
    work out that it was rejected for this bit:

    > Another poster once referred to a moveable feast he called a
    > "Ribbins point", and it is clear what he meant, as you have
    > now resiled from your original suggestion

    which wouldn't be allowed even if it wasn't, also, an utter lie.

    (The irony is, the only other person who used that phrase was so stupid
    that they were getting confused between me and JNugent - and I think it
    would be a rare point of agreement between me and JNugent that such
    confusion ought to be impossible.)
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  • From Pamela@pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 14:56:11 2026
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    On 13:00 12 Jan 2026, Spike said:

    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien
    who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the
    initial argument was poorly founded.

    uu-

    SpikeAs post has been rejected as AhurtfulA.



    Is this the message?

    <https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr- 176821562528678.txt>
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 15:32:46 2026
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    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 13:00 12 Jan 2026, Spike said:

    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien
    who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the
    initial argument was poorly founded.

    rCorCo-

    SpikerCOs post has been rejected as rCOhurtfulrCO.



    Is this the message?

    <https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr- 176821562528678.txt>

    Looks like itrCa
    --
    Spike
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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.net.news.moderation on Tue Jan 13 16:21:40 2026
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    On 13 Jan 2026 at 14:56:11 GMT, "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 13:00 12 Jan 2026, Spike said:

    John Ribbins posted, inter alia:

    Like I said, you must for some reason be pretending to be an alien
    who has never before encountered humans.

    Spike replied:

    Like I said, stooping to an ad hom reply is one way to show the
    initial argument was poorly founded.

    rCorCo-

    SpikerCOs post has been rejected as rCOhurtfulrCO.



    Is this the message?

    <https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~webstump/g.ulm/messages/nr-176821562528678.txt>

    I have to agree with Mr Ribbens that the concept that there is just one word
    of (each) god, and that even two theologians who entirely agree on it can ever be found does not seem convincing to anyone who has lived among humans.
    --

    Roger Hayter
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