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On 30/12/2025 in message <slrn10l8o6a.66d.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu>
Jon Ribbens wrote:

Quite a lot of personal/sarcastic and offensive comments about Norman Wells.

It seems we are about to start 2026 with Ribbens abusing his position as moderator again.

Can I ask the moderators to try to be consistent about what is and what
isn't an offensive personal remark. I bite my tongue when I reply to
Ribbens because of his patronising and childish behaviour in providing an ordered list telling people how to respond to posts but it really
shouldn't be necessary. If he feels he can be offensive to people he
disagrees with then it really should be reciprocal.
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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not
expect to sit.
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On 31 Dec 2025 at 09:14:18 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/12/2025 in message <slrn10l8o6a.66d.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu> Jon Ribbens wrote:

Quite a lot of personal/sarcastic and offensive comments about Norman Wells.

It seems we are about to start 2026 with Ribbens abusing his position as moderator again.

Can I ask the moderators to try to be consistent about what is and what
isn't an offensive personal remark. I bite my tongue when I reply to
Ribbens because of his patronising and childish behaviour in providing an ordered list telling people how to respond to posts but it really
shouldn't be necessary. If he feels he can be offensive to people he disagrees with then it really should be reciprocal.

ISWYM, but Norman does parody himself. And Ribbens' post in many ways does reflect Norman's argument.

Parenthetically, I did not realise until I checked that we were the first democratic country in the world to reduce the voting age to 18 in 1969. Also having done so very briefly (for male ex-soldiers) in 1918.
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On 2025-12-31, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/12/2025 in message <slrn10l8o6a.66d.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu> Jon Ribbens wrote:

Quite a lot of personal/sarcastic and offensive comments about Norman Wells.

It seems we are about to start 2026 with Ribbens abusing his position as moderator again.

Can I ask the moderators to try to be consistent about what is and what isn't an offensive personal remark.

Ok. Perhaps it would help if you could point to an example of this
alleged inconsistency, because pointing out Norman's hypocrisy ain't it.

I bite my tongue when I reply to Ribbens because of his patronising
and childish behaviour in providing an ordered list telling people how
to respond to posts

What on earth are you talking about? What "ordered list"? As far as
I can see the only "ordered list" I've posted in the last six months
was a reply to you about the Magna Carta and it didn't tell anyone how
to respond to anything. In fact it was typical of my recent responses
to you in that it provided an informative, detailed, and helpful answer
to the question you had asked.

but it really shouldn't be necessary. If he feels he can be offensive
to people he disagrees with then it really should be reciprocal.

That's a rather ironic comment given I just had to bite my fingers
considerably when replying to a personally offensive post about me
posted by JNugent, in response to which I was really quite polite.

If you're asking for reciprocity then you're arguing that I should
be much ruder to people than I am - which suggestion I thank you for
but will gently decline, as, unlike some others, I pretty unfailingly
stick to the moderation guidelines when posting in the group.
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On 31/12/2025 12:56, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-12-31, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/12/2025 in message <slrn10l8o6a.66d.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu> >> Jon Ribbens wrote:

Quite a lot of personal/sarcastic and offensive comments about Norman Wells. >>
It seems we are about to start 2026 with Ribbens abusing his position as
moderator again.

Can I ask the moderators to try to be consistent about what is and what
isn't an offensive personal remark.

Ok. Perhaps it would help if you could point to an example of this
alleged inconsistency, because pointing out Norman's hypocrisy ain't it.

If only you could, which of course you can't because it doesn't exist.

Don't agree? Provide the proof.

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On 31/12/2025 10:21, Roger Hayter wrote:

On 31 Dec 2025 at 09:14:18 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/12/2025 in message <slrn10l8o6a.66d.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu> >> Jon Ribbens wrote:

Quite a lot of personal/sarcastic and offensive comments about Norman Wells. >>
It seems we are about to start 2026 with Ribbens abusing his position as
moderator again.

Can I ask the moderators to try to be consistent about what is and what
isn't an offensive personal remark. I bite my tongue when I reply to
Ribbens because of his patronising and childish behaviour in providing an
ordered list telling people how to respond to posts but it really
shouldn't be necessary. If he feels he can be offensive to people he
disagrees with then it really should be reciprocal.

ISWYM, but Norman does parody himself. And Ribbens' post in many ways does reflect Norman's argument.

Parenthetically, I did not realise until I checked that we were the first democratic country in the world to reduce the voting age to 18 in 1969. Also having done so very briefly (for male ex-soldiers) in 1918.

As is regrettably typical, no cite.

But there was, following WW2, having regard to the ages of most
combatants in it who actually had no say in being sent into mortal
combat, general global acceptance that they should have a voice, and
that the voting age should be lowered to 18.

In the UK, lowering the voting age was only part of much wider reforms
at the time, including the Family Law Reform Act 1969, which lowered the
age of majority to 18 in most other respects too.

Although it took some time:

"By the end of the 1900s, 18 had become the most common voting age, and
it remains the same today"

https://blog.batchgeo.com/voting-age-around-the-world/

There is no global movement now towards voting age being reduced to 16
as there was when it was reduced to 18. In fact, the UK would be an
outlier were it to do so, and others would be unlikely to follow. There
just isn't the moral or intellectual justification for it.




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On 31/12/2025 12:56 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:

On 2025-12-31, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 30/12/2025 in message <slrn10l8o6a.66d.jon+usenet@raven.unequivocal.eu> >> Jon Ribbens wrote:

Quite a lot of personal/sarcastic and offensive comments about Norman Wells. >>
It seems we are about to start 2026 with Ribbens abusing his position as
moderator again.

Can I ask the moderators to try to be consistent about what is and what
isn't an offensive personal remark.

Ok. Perhaps it would help if you could point to an example of this
alleged inconsistency, because pointing out Norman's hypocrisy ain't it.

I bite my tongue when I reply to Ribbens because of his patronising
and childish behaviour in providing an ordered list telling people how
to respond to posts

What on earth are you talking about? What "ordered list"? As far as
I can see the only "ordered list" I've posted in the last six months
was a reply to you about the Magna Carta and it didn't tell anyone how
to respond to anything. In fact it was typical of my recent responses
to you in that it provided an informative, detailed, and helpful answer
to the question you had asked.

but it really shouldn't be necessary. If he feels he can be offensive
to people he disagrees with then it really should be reciprocal.

That's a rather ironic comment given I just had to bite my fingers considerably when replying to a personally offensive post about me
posted by JNugent, in response to which I was really quite polite.

I was not the slightest bit impolite to you. That would be a radical
departure from my posting style, which is definitely to play the ball
rather than the man.

But... (yes, a but)... it was not possible to point to the way in which
you so often dismiss the posts and views of others out of hand without
the risk of it sounding personally offensive.

Not that that consideration stops *some* people, eh? ;-)

I was certainly not trying to be offensive to you or anyone else and my posting record over a couple of decades rather proves that.

If you're asking for reciprocity then you're arguing that I should
be much ruder to people than I am - which suggestion I thank you for
but will gently decline, as, unlike some others, I pretty unfailingly
stick to the moderation guidelines when posting in the group.

I am sure that you have that the wrong way round.



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