To say Merry Christmas 2025 to one and all
In article <10iigdf$1jq7$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
To say Merry Christmas 2025 to one and all
Merry Christmas to you, Dave.
Melissa
In article <MPG.43b6f01324f301be9897ad@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <10iigdf$1jq7$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
To say Merry Christmas 2025 to one and all
Merry Christmas to you, Dave.
Melissa
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-PAedophile talker noted
In article <MPG.43b6f01324f301be9897ad@news.eternal-september.org>,On which 'both scales', Binky??
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <10iigdf$1jq7$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
To say Merry Christmas 2025 to one and all
Merry Christmas to you, Dave.
Melissa
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
0 degrees C is +32 degrees F or +273 degrees K^^^^^<-PAedophile talker noted
0 degrees F is -17.78 degrees C or +255.3722 degrees K
0 degrees K is -273 degrees C or -459.67 degrees F
So three scales .... and 0 is not common on any pair, Binky!!
----
Daniel70
https://postimg.cc/CR6dGDww <-PAedophile
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
On which 'both scales', Binky??
In article <10iigdf$1jq7$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
To say Merry Christmas 2025 to one and all
Merry Christmas to you, Dave.
Melissa
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Melissa
On 25/12/2025 11:54, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10iigdf$1jq7$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
To say Merry Christmas 2025 to one and all
Merry Christmas to you, Dave.
Melissa
Merry Christmas !
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"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Binky Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
https://postimg.cc/CR6dGDww <-PAedophile
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47^^^^^<-Paedophile talke noted
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Melissa
On 2025-12-25 20:33:40 +0000, The True Melissa said:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Melissa
With that village idiot, he is more likely to mean the kitchen scales
and the bathroom scales. :-\
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
----
Daniel70
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >history.
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >history.
/dps
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Stupidity is the same.
And that's why life is hard.
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On 2025-12-26 09:39:15 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
They are just two different names for the same temperature measurement >system - "centigrade", although it was the original name, is now
considered incorrect.
"When Anders Celsius created his original scale in 1742 he
inexplicably chose 0# for the boiling point and 100# for the
freezing point. A little over one year later Frenchman Jean
Pierre Cristin proposed an inverted version of the scale
(freezing point 0#, boiling point 100#). He named it
Centigrade."
"Celsius and centigrade refer to the same temperature scale:
100 degrees between water's freezing (0#C) and boiling (100#C)
points, but Celsius is the official name adopted in 1948 to
honour its inventor, Anders Celsius, and avoid confusion with
other uses of "centigrade" (like angular measurement). So,
while people still use "centigrade," Celsius is the modern,
correct term, standardised by the General Conference on
Weights and Measures."
"Centigrade is the old fashioned name for Celsius as mentioned
above. The name Centigrade was derived from the Latin,
originally meaning a hundred degrees."
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a >centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a >certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body >temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate >calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system. Before that, Celsius was most often called >Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles. Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
--Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
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On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:I often just hear (e.g.) "5 C" (It's winter up here).
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a
centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a
certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body
temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate
calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
----
Sam Plusnet
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a >centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a >certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body >temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate >calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
that name has now dropped out of use.
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a >>hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a >>centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a >>certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body >>temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate >>calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the "civilised"
world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
It is 11:30 PM as I write this, and the outside temperature is 61 F. >Tomorrow's high is predicted to be 78 F.
--In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
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I asked them if it would be a popular choice.
He said, "Remains to be seen."
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Le 26/12/2025 |a 23:07, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a
centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a
certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body
temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate
calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
It seems 'centigrade' is on the ropes, but not yet knocked out:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Celsius%2Ccentigrade%2CFahrenheit&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true>
(I'll leave the exploration of AmE and BrE to the viewer.)
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Degree Centigrade is being phased out in favour of Degree Celsius. [1] >Originally 'centigrade' was used also in France,
(and perhaps other countries) not just in Britain.
The centigrade/Celsius scale was invented before the metric system,
and is not a part of it.
It was proposed by Celsius as an improvement
on the less practical binary scale of Fahrenheit.
No difference in meaning, but why not standardise?
Jan
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale.
'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding. ><https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about
equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
Jan
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a
centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a
certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body
temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate
calibration rules.
Not really. Fahrenheit was a digital scale.
He used 0 degrees for the lowest temperature he could achieve,
and set the freezing point of water at 32 degrees.
This had the advantage that he could easily obtain a degree scale
by repeated divisions in half.
Body temperature being somewhere near 100 degrees
was a happy coincidence.
(it is too variable to calibrate anything on)
--The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius. In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.
(Techincality mode on)
The world really uses Kelvin, but they call it degrees Celsius,
(after subtracting about 273.15)
The differences are small, but they matter for precision work,
Jan
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
Has the sad tale of the inhabitants of Point Roberts
reached your part of the world as well?
Point Roberts is an exclave of the USA,
one that can be reached only through Canada, by road.
(they did not really look where that // went)
Not as bad as Baarle-Hertog, but still.
It used to be popular for shopping with Canadians,
bacause of some lower taxes there.
Unfortunately for Robertians, most of those Canadians
are now saying 'F@ck you, See you in three years'.
'But in there years I won't have a business left!'
They are seriously talking of seceeding,
(but of course it will not happen)
Jan
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale.
'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
Still interchangable.
I choose Imperial measures over Metric any day.
Hibou wrote:
It seems 'centigrade' is on the ropes, but not yet knocked out:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Celsius%2Ccentigrade%2CFahrenheit&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true>
(I'll leave the exploration of AmE and BrE to the viewer.)
Centrigrade and Celsuis are interchangable.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale. >>>'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
The Binky Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-pAEDOPHILE talker noted
^^^^^<-pAEDOPHILE talker notedI choose Imperial measures over Metric any day.How many CC's is your motorbike, Binky?
https://postimg.cc/QFcb3PRZ
Le 27/12/2025 |a 13:34, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
It seems 'centigrade' is on the ropes, but not yet knocked out:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Celsius%2Ccentigrade%2CFahrenheit&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true>
(I'll leave the exploration of AmE and BrE to the viewer.)
Centrigrade and Celsuis are interchangable.
The words 'centigrade' and 'Celsius' are interchangeable for denotation,
but not for connotations.
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
In article <kelvin-20251227144712@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as bothWe know what Kelvin is, but what about everyday people?
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <kelvin-20251227144712@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as bothWe know what Kelvin is, but what about everyday people?
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say anyone doesn't know what a
Kelvin is. I just wanted to clear up some confusion about
the term "scale".
In day-to-day use, it's totally fine to ignore the unit
"Kelvin" and just use Fahrenheit or Celsius.
Hibou wrote:
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
Well the USA uses it therefore ...
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton
for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding. <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about
equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
In article <1ro01c8.1rdaiii1wzz0taN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> >ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding. ><https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about >equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
Is SI A real system of Measures?
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale. >>'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field,
"kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter means shiver.
Le 27/12/2025 a 13:34, The Doctor a ocrit :nheit&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true>
Hibou wrote:
It seems 'centigrade' is on the ropes, but not yet knocked out:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Celsius%2Ccentigrade%2CFahre
(I'll leave the exploration of AmE and BrE to the viewer.)
Centrigrade and Celsuis are interchangable.
The words 'centigrade' and 'Celsius' are interchangeable for denotation,Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
but not for connotations.
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) posted:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton
newton
for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding. <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
volt, ampere, ohm (+ joule, henry, darwin etc.)
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> posted:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Whzn I first saw this post, in a rapid sloppy fashion, I took 0 to mean
the freezing point (but that's not of course what it says). Both scales agree at -40#, but not otherwise.
One went I went to Niagara Falls towards the end of winter (probably March)
I could see the thermometers displayed on both sides of the river, and saw that it was 0# in Ontario and 32# in New York.
One thing I also noticed in that stay in Canada (January to April) is that they announced the location of the coldest place in southern Ontario each
day on the radio, and it was pretty much always International Falls, a name that tells you immediately that the cold air was coming from the USA.
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
In article <kelvin-20251227144712@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale. >>>'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
We know what Kelvin is, but what about everyday people?
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>>> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter means shiver.
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
Le 27/12/2025 a 15:52, The Doctor a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
Well the USA uses it therefore ...
Yes, the USA. What can one do but shake one's head sadly, and wonder
whether the Trump might one day be a scientific unit of egotism, with
100 millitrumps being enough to exclude one from office?
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>>> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter means shiver.
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely-a <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>>>> separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and
there's an
ISO Doc for that).-a See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>>>> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
-a-a-a-a-a-a 5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-a-a-a-a-a -4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> posted:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Whzn I first saw this post, in a rapid sloppy fashion, I took 0 to mean
the freezing point (but that's not of course what it says). Both scales agree at -40-#, but not otherwise.
One went I went to Niagara Falls towards the end of winter (probably March)
I could see the thermometers displayed on both sides of the river, and saw that it was 0-# in Ontario and 32-# in New York.
One thing I also noticed in that stay in Canada (January to April) is that they announced the location of the coldest place in southern Ontario each
day on the radio, and it was pretty much always International Falls, a name that tells you immediately that the cold air was coming from the USA.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
Point Roberts is an exclave of the USA,
one that can be reached only through Canada, by road.
(they did not really look where that // went)
Not as bad as Baarle-Hertog, but still.
It used to be popular for shopping with Canadians,
bacause of some lower taxes there.
Unfortunately for Robertians, most of those Canadians
are now saying 'F@ck you, See you in three years'.
'But in there years I won't have a business left!'
They are seriously talking of seceeding,
(but of course it will not happen)
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
(Techincality mode on)
The world really uses Kelvin, but they call it degrees Celsius,
(after subtracting about 273.15)
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
Le 27/12/2025 |a 15:52, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
Well the USA uses it therefore ...
Yes, the USA. What can one do but shake one's head sadly, and wonder
whether the Trump might one day be a scientific unit of egotism, with
100 millitrumps being enough to exclude one from office?
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> posted:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Whzn I first saw this post, in a rapid sloppy fashion, I took 0 to mean
the freezing point (but that's not of course what it says). Both scales agree >at -40-#, but not otherwise.
One went I went to Niagara Falls towards the end of winter (probably March) >I could see the thermometers displayed on both sides of the river, and saw >that it was 0-# in Ontario and 32-# in New York.
One thing I also noticed in that stay in Canada (January to April) is that >they announced the location of the coldest place in southern Ontario each
day on the radio, and it was pretty much always International Falls, a name >that tells you immediately that the cold air was coming from the USA.
Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are twoOn which 'both scales', Binky??
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
----
athel
Living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly in England before that
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) posted:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> > >ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton
newton
for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding.
<https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about
equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
volt, ampere, ohm (+ joule, henry, darwin etc.)
----
athel
Living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly in England before that
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >> >>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and
there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> >> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you >probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >means shiver.
----
athel
Living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly in England before that
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <1ro01c8.1rdaiii1wzz0taN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >> >> >there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> >> >ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent
history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding.
<https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about
equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
Is SI A real system of Measures?
???
It is a well-defined _unit system_ so a coherent system of definitions.
It is what it is.
Applying 'real' to it is a category error,
Jan
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale.
'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field,
Like you, for example?
"kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
That's wrong, or at least confused.
Something is either a scale, or a unit, but not both.
If it is a unit, loosely calling it a scale
is merely a continuation of obsolete terminology.
This often happens in science.
When a field is new, people start with empirical scales,
just to quantify observations.
Like for example Celsius, Beaufort, or Richter.
When the field matures these scales may be replaced
by numerical values in units, like kelvin, m/s or Joule.
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
... is confused about it.
Correct: In the SI absolute temperatures are measured in kelvin.
In the case of temperatures it is easy to be confused.
For other units, less so.
No one in his right mind would use:
'I am 500 on the kilometer scale from London',
Jan
--
To confuse you further: As of the 2018 CGPM not only the triple point
of water has been eliminated from the definition,
but absolute zero no longer appears in it either.
So all appearance of a scale has been eliminated.
The kelvin is nowadays:
The kelvin, symbol K, is the SI unit of thermodynamic temperature;
its magnitude is set by fixing the numerical value
of the Boltzmann constant to be equal to exactly 1.380649 * 10^-23 J/K. >[joules per kelvin]. (NIST)
No degree or scale in sight, it just another unit.
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
--lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >> > >>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >> > >>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >> > >>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >> > >> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> > >> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >> > >> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 27/12/2025 a 13:34, The Doctor a ocrit :nheit&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true>
Hibou wrote:
It seems 'centigrade' is on the ropes, but not yet knocked out:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Celsius%2Ccentigrade%2CFahre
Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
(I'll leave the exploration of AmE and BrE to the viewer.)
Centrigrade and Celsuis are interchangable.
The words 'centigrade' and 'Celsius' are interchangeable for denotation,
but not for connotations.
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_
Hmmm... The majority of those seem to be nasty dictatorships,
Jan--
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <kelvin-20251227144712@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale.
'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
We know what Kelvin is, but what about everyday people?
Is there 'a need to know'?
Jan
----
BTW, if you were in the know you would have written 'a kelvin'
instead of 'Kelvin'. <pedantry mode />
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 20:54:27 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
I don't know if they are mentioning it more, or I've just noticed it,
but M. Taylor Greene said that opposing Trump (besides assuring
an attempt to 'prmary' here) has brought threats against her and
her family. I figure, most who have quit would NOT want to discuss
whatever threats there were.
His previous cases in court, regarding the conduct of his business,
did bring up examples where his agents threatened violence. At
his direction, I assumed.
As President, he can post a few key words and the vigilantes he
has been grooming will provide the threats.
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>>>> separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>>>> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>>>> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small >fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
----
Sam Plusnet
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
----
Sam Plusnet
On 2025-12-27 07:16:13 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
Trump the Chump has basically already said a few times that he doesn't
plan on leaving and is looking to change the laws so he can stay. We
can only hope the people with actual sense who are really in charge
will block his idiocy, like they already have with many of his other
moronic ideas. :-(
On 2025-12-27 16:32:30 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 27/12/2025 a 15:52, The Doctor a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
Well the USA uses it therefore ...
Yes, the USA. What can one do but shake one's head sadly, and wonder
whether the Trump might one day be a scientific unit of egotism, with
100 millitrumps being enough to exclude one from office?
Even 1 millitrump is far too many.
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>>>> separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>>>> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>>>> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
Yeah, that's T-shirt weather.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
----
All generalizations are bad.
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely-a <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>>>>> separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and
there's an
ISO Doc for that).-a See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>>>>> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
-a-a-a-a-a-a 5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-a-a-a-a-a -4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you >>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
As th elesbian pirates are wont to say, "Scissor me Timbers."
----
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> posted:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Whzn I first saw this post, in a rapid sloppy fashion, I took 0 to mean
the freezing point (but that's not of course what it says). Both scales agree
at -40-#, but not otherwise.
One went I went to Niagara Falls towards the end of winter (probably March) >> I could see the thermometers displayed on both sides of the river, and saw >> that it was 0-# in Ontario and 32-# in New York.
One thing I also noticed in that stay in Canada (January to April) is that >> they announced the location of the coldest place in southern Ontario each
day on the radio, and it was pretty much always International Falls, a name >> that tells you immediately that the cold air was coming from the USA.
Would that it were the case. It is preferable to the stream of
non-heating hot air from the EfieEfA-.
----
Alcohol may not solve your problems, but neither will water or milk.
On 27/12/25 23:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
If I had met it here, it would have annoyed me just as much as those who
use "kilometres" as an abbreviation of "kilometres per second".
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to
put on a jumper.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 27/12/25 23:38, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Point Roberts is an exclave of the USA,
one that can be reached only through Canada, by road.
(they did not really look where that // went)
Not as bad as Baarle-Hertog, but still.
It used to be popular for shopping with Canadians,
bacause of some lower taxes there.
Unfortunately for Robertians, most of those Canadians
are now saying 'F@ck you, See you in three years'.
'But in there years I won't have a business left!'
They are seriously talking of seceeding,
(but of course it will not happen)
By all logic, it should be part of Canada. If those people had any sense
they would get out while the going is good.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 28/12/25 01:53, Hibou wrote:
A few outlying countries still use Fahrenheit:
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg/1280px-Countries_that_use_Celsius.svg.png>
In fact, roughly a dozen countries, but all but one of them are too
small to show up on the map.
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 27/12/25 23:09, J. J. Lodder wrote:
(Techincality mode on)
The world really uses Kelvin, but they call it degrees Celsius,
(after subtracting about 273.15)
The number of people who understand physics is too small to show up on a >census. From the viewpoint of the people who run the world, they don't
exist.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 20:54:27 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
I don't know if they are mentioning it more, or I've just noticed it,
but M. Taylor Greene said that opposing Trump (besides assuring
an attempt to 'prmary' here) has brought threats against her and
her family. I figure, most who have quit would NOT want to discuss
whatever threats there were.
His previous cases in court, regarding the conduct of his business,
did bring up examples where his agents threatened violence. At
his direction, I assumed.
As President, he can post a few key words and the vigilantes he
has been grooming will provide the threats.
----
Rich Ulrich
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 20:54:27 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> >>>>> wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein >>>> in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
I don't know if they are mentioning it more, or I've just noticed it,
but M. Taylor Greene said that opposing Trump (besides assuring
an attempt to 'prmary' here) has brought threats against her and
her family. I figure, most who have quit would NOT want to discuss
whatever threats there were.
His previous cases in court, regarding the conduct of his business,
did bring up examples where his agents threatened violence. At
his direction, I assumed.
Assumed, but he has had many decades of practice in ensuring his >fingerprints could not not found on those orders.
As President, he can post a few key words and the vigilantes he
has been grooming will provide the threats.
He has become far more bold since he has gained office.
----
Sam Plusnet
Kelvin starts at absolute 0 .
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
On 28/12/25 13:55, The Doctor wrote:
Kelvin starts at absolute 0 .
Are you on a campaign to dumb down your newsgroup? (Whichever one it is.)
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
ObRiceDavies: They would say that, wouldn't they?
You are looking at a book written by the supporters of one particular
god. Not exactly a suitable source for anyone looking for an unbiased >explanation of atheism.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
In article <10iq7bl$3vjl1$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:55, The Doctor wrote:
Kelvin starts at absolute 0 .
Are you on a campaign to dumb down your newsgroup? (Whichever one it is.)
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
ObRiceDavies: They would say that, wouldn't they?
You are looking at a book written by the supporters of one particular
god. Not exactly a suitable source for anyone looking for an unbiased
explanation of atheism.
What sort of nutcase are you Peter?
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to
put on a jumper.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the "civilised"
world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>>>>> separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>>>>> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>>>>> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you >>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>> means shiver.
Steve Hayes wrote:
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Le 27/12/2025 |a 12:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.[...]
There are many examples of "kilocycles per second" in, for instance,
pre-War issues of the the British magazine 'Wireless World'.
On 28/12/25 21:18, Hibou wrote:
Le 27/12/2025 |a 12:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
[...]
There are many examples of "kilocycles per second" in, for instance,
pre-War issues of the the British magazine 'Wireless World'.
There is a huge difference between "kilocycles" and "kilocycles per
second".
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially
being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to
put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a
centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a
certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body
temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate
calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the "civilised"
world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
It is 11:30 PM as I write this, and the outside temperature is 61 F.
Tomorrow's high is predicted to be 78 F.
Daniel70In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.--
The Binky Doctor wrote:
I choose Imperial measures over Metric any day.How many CC's is your motorbike, Binky?
https://postimg.cc/QFcb3PRZ
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a >centichain?
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 28/12/25 14:16, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7bl$3vjl1$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:55, The Doctor wrote:
Kelvin starts at absolute 0 .
Are you on a campaign to dumb down your newsgroup? (Whichever one it is.) >>>
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
ObRiceDavies: They would say that, wouldn't they?
You are looking at a book written by the supporters of one particular
god. Not exactly a suitable source for anyone looking for an unbiased
explanation of atheism.
What sort of nutcase are you Peter?
Toucho. I hadn't thought of that argument. I bow to your superior wit.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >>being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to >>put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
--Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 23:34:13 -0500, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is >>>Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the "civilised"
world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
It seems that the US has periodic government "shutdowns", and in part
of my mind I find it hard to think of the actions of the Trump gang as
those of the US government. The government somehow shut down on 20
January, and may or may not reopen in four years' time.
Before then one could think of the actions of the US government as
bad, wicked or evil, but they were the actions of the government of a >country.
--Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --
https://postimg.cc/xJ1FNsgg^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
The Binky(iWord used by paedophile to indicate tehir joy of child seuxal molestations) Doctor wrote:
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
On 2025-12-26 20:37, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mn.d2a17e9cdb7a9e1e.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two >>>>>>>>> names for the one scale.
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World" >>>>>>>>> thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade' >>>>>>>>> (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >>>>>>> there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >>>>>>> separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >>>>>>> ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >>>>>>> history.
/dps
FYI 32 deg F is 0 Deg C
5 deg F is -15 Deg C
-4 deg F is -20 Deg C
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you >>>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>> do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>>> means shiver.
Le 27/12/2025 |a 12:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Steve Hayes wrote:
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
A minor point: kilohertz were kilocycles. (However, 'Calorie' is often
used to mean 'kilocalorie'.)
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
I think not. What else would others have used before kilohertz? All the >great British wartime radio and radar development was done in cycles per >second.
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kilocycles%3Aeng_us%2Ckilocycles%3Aeng_gb%2Ckilohertz&year_start=1900&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true>
(Nothing to do with the Dutch vehicle-hire company, Hertz Van Rental.)
There are many examples of "kilocycles per second" in, for instance,
pre-War issues of the the British magazine 'Wireless World'.
And in 'Electronic Computers', Ivall, 1960, I find: "With the >audio-frequency type of junction transistors this limits the pulse >repetition frequency to something in the region of 50 to 100 kc/s."
(Jings! I've just ordered a mid-range phone that clocks at over 3 GHz.)
On 28/12/2025 3:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >>> being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to >>> put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
On 28/12/25 21:18, Hibou wrote:
Le 27/12/2025 |a 12:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.[...]
There are many examples of "kilocycles per second" in, for instance,
pre-War issues of the the British magazine 'Wireless World'.
There is a huge difference between "kilocycles" and "kilocycles per second".
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Le 28/12/2025 |a 10:31, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 28/12/25 21:18, Hibou wrote:
Le 27/12/2025 |a 12:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
[...]
There are many examples of "kilocycles per second" in, for instance,
pre-War issues of the the British magazine 'Wireless World'.
There is a huge difference between "kilocycles" and "kilocycles per
second".
Granted - but the linguistic conclusion remains the same, I think - >'kilocycles [per second]' is not an Americanism:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kilocycles+per+second%3Aeng_gb%2Ckilocycles+per+second%3Aeng_us%2Ckilohertz&year_start=1900&year_end=2022&case_insensitive=true&corpus=en&smoothing=3>
On 26/12/2025 11:28 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line.
In article <10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 26/12/2025 7:33 am, The True Melissa wrote:
In article <10ijben$1rst9$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47Ah!! Of course, I had forgotten that, for some reason, there are two
@nomail.afraid.org says...
On 25/12/2025 11:31 pm, The Doctor wrote:
On which 'both scales', Binky??
Cheers from cool Canada, where is it 0 on both scales.
Celsius and Centigrade. :-D
names for the one scale.
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the World"
thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses 'Centigrade'
(or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Could it be a "Scientific" verse "Real World" thing??
----
Daniel70
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which you >>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold
day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
----
Daniel70
On 28/12/2025 3:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >>> being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to >>> put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
----
Daniel70
On 27/12/2025 3:34 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 26/12/25 23:28, The True Melissa wrote:
I've added alt.usage.english to the newsgroups line. In article
<10ill45$2hrgc$1@dont-email.me>, daniel47 @nomail.afraid.org says...
Could that 'two names' thing be an "England v the rest of the
World" thing?? i.e. the real name is 'Celsius' but England uses
'Centigrade' (or vice versa)??
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of Centigrade in a
while. I'm in the US, and people here say "Celsius" now, but I heard
"Centigrade" fairly often in the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Centigrade is a description rather than a name. It means there are a
hundred degrees between calibration points. Fahrenheit was originally a
centigrade scale, with zero degrees defined as the freezing point of a
certain kind of salty water, and 100 degrees defined as the human body
temperature. Of course it has since been redefined with more accurate
calibration rules.
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the "civilised"
world despite the uncivilized actions of the current Administration.
It is 11:30 PM as I write this, and the outside temperature is 61 F.
(((61 - 32) x 5)/9) = 16.111 C
Tomorrow's high is predicted to be 78 F.
(((78 - 32) x 5)/9 = 25.556 C ... getting a bit warm!!
In my younger days a lot of people did call it Centigrade, but
that name has now dropped out of use.--
Daniel70--
On 28/12/2025 1:09 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:--
The Binky(Word used by paedophile to indicatetehir joy of child sexual moleststion) Doctor wrote:
I choose Imperial measures over Metric any day.How many CC's is your motorbike, Binky?
https://postimg.cc/QFcb3PRZ
.... but at least Binky(Word used by paedophiles to indicate their joyi of child sexual molestation ) would achieve bugger all if he forced his
customers to use it as well!!
--
Daniel70
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 3:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >>>> being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to >>>> put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
I'll add that one thing I've noticed is that people tend to dress for
the season that has passed rather than the one they were in.
One year I travelled to Europe in late April. I had just got out my
tracksuit top because it was late autumn and beginning to get chilly.
I landed in Bulgaria, and wore it there in their spring time, and felt >underdressed -- everyone else was wearing heavy overcoats and the
like.
--Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 20:54:27 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
I don't know if they are mentioning it more, or I've just noticed it,
but M. Taylor Greene said that opposing Trump (besides assuring
an attempt to 'prmary' here) has brought threats against her and
her family. I figure, most who have quit would NOT want to discuss
whatever threats there were.
His previous cases in court, regarding the conduct of his business,
did bring up examples where his agents threatened violence. At
his direction, I assumed.
As President, he can post a few key words and the vigilantes he
has been grooming will provide the threats.
In article <1766860852-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) posted:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >> > >there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are
separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an >> > >ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >> > >history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in >> > the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton
newton
for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding.
<https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about
equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
volt, ampere, ohm (+ joule, henry, darwin etc.)
Where did you learn your physics?
In article <1ro0p1x.1wd41041eomwj1N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <kelvin-20251227144712@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale.
'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
We know what Kelvin is, but what about everyday people?
Is there 'a need to know'?
Jan
You tell us.
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a centichain?
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
https://postimg.cc/xJ1FNsgg <- The Binky Doctor indicates his joy of sexual molestation
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold
day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <1766860852-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) posted:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 11:13:40 -0800, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:
The True Melissa used thar keyboard to writen:
Come to think of it, I haven't heard anyone speak of
Centigrade in a while. I'm in the US, and people here say
"Celsius" now, but I heard "Centigrade" fairly often in
the 70s, maybe early 80s.
Melissa
I'm not sure "Centigrade" was ever an official name for the scale (and >> >> > >there are non-Celsius scales where the critical points for water are >> >> > >separated by 100 degrees).
Celsius is the name approved by international standards (and there's an
ISO Doc for that). See also the "cgs" vs "MKS" conventions of recent >> >> > >history.
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in >> >> > the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system.
Correct. Many of those units, like the Newton
newton
for examle,
were not used, or even invented, before WII.
The general take-over of all physics education by the SI
is something of the last fifty years.
Even in WWII much of the skill of an engineer
consisted in transforming all those units into each other.
That's why they carried slide rules between their teeth while boarding. >> >> <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/24035/pg24035-images.html>
(while we are cross-posting)
Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
'Kilocycles' is an Americanism, for radio stations for example.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
Those units were invented by the 'electricians' who messed up
the coherent unit systems of the 19th century.
(for so called practical reasons)
Their international negotiations seem to have been more concerned about >> >> equal distribution of chauvinisms than about the quality of the mess
they produced. (which evolved into the SI)
Italy was to have the Volt, France the Ampere, Germany the Ohm, etc.
volt, ampere, ohm (+ joule, henry, darwin etc.)
Where did you learn your physics?
I learned it from a book,
Jan
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <1ro0p1x.1wd41041eomwj1N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <kelvin-20251227144712@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale.
'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero), taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
We know what Kelvin is, but what about everyday people?
Is there 'a need to know'?
Jan
You tell us.
See?
Jan
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ... >>Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Let him consult the back of his slide rule for that,
Jan--
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 20:54:27 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 27/12/2025 07:16, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/12/25 15:34, Tony Cooper wrote:But the Republicans who would oppose Trump on principle have already
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 10:07:17 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
The scale that essentially all of the civilised world now uses is
Celsius.
While you may not, I do consider the US to be part of the
"civilised" world despite the uncivilized actions of the current
Administration.
I will be happy to welcome you back into the civilised world in three
years' time. Possibly earlier, if your Congress finds the guts to rein
in the out-of-control dictator.
left congress. (I do not include Taylor-Greene in that number.)
I don't know if they are mentioning it more, or I've just noticed it,
but M. Taylor Greene said that opposing Trump (besides assuring
an attempt to 'prmary' here) has brought threats against her and
her family. I figure, most who have quit would NOT want to discuss
whatever threats there were.
His previous cases in court, regarding the conduct of his business,
did bring up examples where his agents threatened violence. At
his direction, I assumed.
As President, he can post a few key words and the vigilantes he
has been grooming will provide the threats.
Anyone who hasn't been threatened yet must be a complete nobody,
Jan
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
The Binky Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
^^^^^<-Paedophile talker notedhttps://postimg.cc/xJ1FNsgg <- The Binky Doctor indicates his joy ofsexual molestation
Stay away from the kiddies, Binky.
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you >> >> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we
do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >> >> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold
day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan--
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote or quoted:
In article <1rnygoz.1e95pzz18vjp88N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,. . .
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[1] Beware, Celsius is always degrees, because Celsius is a scale. >>'Kelvin' otoh is a unit, and writing 'degree Kelvin' is an error.
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
Still interchangable.
Among people who actually know the field, "kelvin" counts as both
a unit and a scale. To back that up, I'm just going to quote a
bit from the well-known online encyclopedia "Wikipedia".
|The kelvin (symbol: K) is the base unit for temperature in
|the International System of Units (SI). The Kelvin scale is
|an absolute temperature scale that starts at the lowest
|possible temperature (absolute zero),
taken to be 0 K.
Wikipedia
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
--
Sam Plusnet
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan-a <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons
(IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really??-a Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan-a <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons
(IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really??-a Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you >>>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>> do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>>> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold
day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons
(IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of
interest to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links
in a centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the
killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of
interest posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have
I missed anything significant?
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which >>>>> you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>>> do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold
day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made up by
a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius Stevenson in 1883
that some places claim), and there's no proof that any real sailors / pirates ever actually said it. It is based it on the definition of
"shiver" meaning "to split in two".-a :-)
On 29/12/2025 10:32 a.m., Your Name wrote:
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you >>>>>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>>>> do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>>>>> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small >>>>> fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold >>>> day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made up
by a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius Stevenson in
1883 that some places claim), and there's no proof that any real
sailors / pirates ever actually said it. It is based it on the
definition of "shiver" meaning "to split in two".a :-)
What's your 1795 source? OED agrees that it's "a mock oath attributed
in comic fiction to sailors", rather than a real one; but their only citation is from Marryat's _Jacob Faithful_ (1834).
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan-a <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons
(IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really??-a Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Welcome aboard Mr. Plusnet. Please take a seat.
--
rw-rw-rw- Permissions of the beast.
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan-a <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons
(IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really??-a Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Welcome aboard Mr. Plusnet. Please take a seat.
--
rw-rw-rw- Permissions of the beast.
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you >>>>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>>> do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>>>> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold
day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made up
by a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius Stevenson in
1883 that some places claim), and there's no proof that any real
sailors / pirates ever actually said it. It is based it on the
definition of "shiver" meaning "to split in two". :-)
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ... >>
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of interest >posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have I missed anything >significant?
----
athel
Living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly in England before that
On 29/12/25 08:40, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons
(IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of
interest to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links
in a centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the
killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of
interest posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have
I missed anything significant?
I haven't plonked him yet, because I'm fascinated by the reappearance of
the AOL phenomenon: a big flood of postings, each with essentially zero >information content. I haven't seen that sort of troll for years. It's
like a step back into the past.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds. Queensland is
getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go back to temperatures in
the high 30s.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 29/12/2025 10:32 a.m., Your Name wrote:
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present (which >>>>>> you
probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>>>> do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small >>>>> fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold >>>> day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than
water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made up by
a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius Stevenson in 1883
that some places claim), and there's no proof that any real sailors /
pirates ever actually said it. It is based it on the definition of
"shiver" meaning "to split in two".-a :-)
What's your 1795 source? OED agrees that it's "a mock oath attributed in >comic fiction to sailors", rather than a real one; but their only
citation is from Marryat's _Jacob Faithful_ (1834).
On 2025-12-29 04:43:43 +0000, Ross Clark said:
On 29/12/2025 10:32 a.m., Your Name wrote:
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2#C or so at present (which you >>>>>>> probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not here: in Marseilles we >>>>>>> do our shivering at 8#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small >>>>>> fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a cold >>>>> day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater volumn than >>>>> water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made up
by a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius Stevenson in
1883 that some places claim), and there's no proof that any real
sailors / pirates ever actually said it. It is based it on the
definition of "shiver" meaning "to split in two".a :-)
What's your 1795 source? OED agrees that it's "a mock oath attributed
in comic fiction to sailors", rather than a real one; but their only
citation is from Marryat's _Jacob Faithful_ (1834).
The phrase first appeared in print in 1795, but became popular after
Robert Louis Stevenson used in it "Treasure Island" in 1883.
Amoung other places: <https://allthatsinteresting.com/shiver-me-timbers>
More recently it was popularised by Popeye and the Spongebob
Squarepants character Mr Krabs. "Shiver Me Timbers" is also the name of
a recent British comedy horror movie, very very loosely based on Popeye >(Popeye came out of copyright, so of course fools made a ridiculous
movie). <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33305581/>
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter
means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a centichain?
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ... >>
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of interest posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have I missed anything significant?
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around
here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present
(which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not
here: in Marseilles we do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into
small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a
cold day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater
volumn than water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the
ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
On 29/12/2025 10:32 a.m., Your Name wrote:
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around
here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at
present (which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina),
but not here: in Marseilles we do our shivering at 8-#C or
so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word
today: greloter means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break
into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on
a cold day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater
volumn than water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the
ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made
up by a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius
Stevenson in 1883 that some places claim), and there's no proof
that any real sailors / pirates ever actually said it. It is based
it on the definition of "shiver" meaning "to split in two". :-)
What's your 1795 source? OED agrees that it's "a mock oath attributed
in comic fiction to sailors", rather than a real one; but their only
citation is from Marryat's _Jacob Faithful_ (1834).
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 3:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >>>> being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to >>>> put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
I'll add that one thing I've noticed is that people tend to dress for
the season that has passed rather than the one they were in.
One year I travelled to Europe in late April. I had just got out my
tracksuit top because it was late autumn and beginning to get chilly.
I landed in Bulgaria, and wore it there in their spring time, and felt underdressed -- everyone else was wearing heavy overcoats and the
like.
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds. Queensland is
getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go back to temperatures in
the high 30s.
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of interest posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have I missed anything significant?
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
(Confirmed, Ignore)
Le 27/12/2025 |a 20:41, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >>> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Non, h|-las. 'To shiver into pieces' is 'se fracasser' or 'voler en |-clats'.
It's this sort of thing that stops double meanings moving abroad.
On 28/12/2025 2:21 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:Well, as 'chain' would be the Base Unit and 'centi' would be the
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
multiplier, I'm guessing where would be 0.01 chain in a 'centichain'.
And yes, I did notice the crossing over of Unit Schemes from 'Metric' to >'Imperial'!
----
Daniel70
On 29/12/2025 8:40 am, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:--
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ... >>>
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of interest
posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have I missed anything
significant?
Ah!! We are of a like mind, then. I have put up with Binky(Word used by >pedophiles to indicate their joy of child sexual molestation) (I mean 'The >Doctor')(He took offence at the title 'Binky'(Word used by
pedophiles to indicate their joy of child sexual molestation))
in the 'Doctor Who'
newsgroups for yonks .... and was considering releasing him from my Bozo
Bin come NYD .... but, maybe NOT!!
--
Daniel70
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
----
Daniel70
On 29/12/2025 2:00 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:.... which is ......??
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around
here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at present
(which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina), but not
here: in Marseilles we do our shivering at 8-#C or so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into
small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on a
cold day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater
volumn than water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the
ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
----
Daniel70
On 29/12/2025 3:43 pm, Ross Clark wrote:
On 29/12/2025 10:32 a.m., Your Name wrote:From https://allthatsinteresting.com/shiver-me-timbers
On 2025-12-28 15:00:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 7:41 am, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> posted:
<Snip>
And they meet at -40, which happens occasionally around
here.
Most of France is starting each day at -2-#C or so at
present (which you probably wouldn't call cold in Regina),
but not here: in Marseilles we do our shivering at 8-#C or
so.
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word
today: greloter means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break
into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Might that be because the Water would get into the wood and, on
a cold day, the water might freeze and, as ice takes up greater
volumn than water, the 'timber' would crack .... disabling the
ship??
That is not the correct explanation,
Jan
True. The *correct* explanation is that it is simply a phrase made
up by a writer back around 1795 (not the later Robert Loius
Stevenson in 1883 that some places claim), and there's no proof
that any real sailors / pirates ever actually said it. It is based
it on the definition of "shiver" meaning "to split in two". :-)
What's your 1795 source? OED agrees that it's "a mock oath attributed
in comic fiction to sailors", rather than a real one; but their only
citation is from Marryat's _Jacob Faithful_ (1834).
Quote
What Does rCLShiver Me TimbersrCY Mean?
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, one early definition of >rCLshiverrCY is rCLto break or split into small fragments or splinters.rCY And >rCLtimberrCY is rCLwood used for the building of houses, ships, etc.rCY In the >context of ships specifically, the rCLtimbersrCY were the wooden support >frames of the vessel.
When the phrase is put together, rCLshiver me timbersrCY suggests a ship >breaking into pieces, perhaps due to the force of a strong wave or a >cannonball. But aside from the dictionary definition, the expression has >several less literal interpretations.
End Quote
----
Daniel70
On 28/12/2025 11:46 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 28/12/2025 3:20 pm, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 09:57:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 28/12/25 05:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today:
greloter means shiver.
We're running through a cold spell at the moment, despite its officially >>>>> being the middle of summer. Yesterday's top temperature was 21. I had to >>>>> put on a jumper.
Here too. I'm wearing a tracksuit top. In the past I would put them
away at the end of October and not take them out again till May.
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
I'll add that one thing I've noticed is that people tend to dress for
the season that has passed rather than the one they were in.
One year I travelled to Europe in late April. I had just got out my
tracksuit top because it was late autumn and beginning to get chilly.
I landed in Bulgaria, and wore it there in their spring time, and felt
underdressed -- everyone else was wearing heavy overcoats and the
like.
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have slipped >substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end until mid-May
and 'Autumn' continued until about August and 'Winter' has only just >finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our normal 'Spring Break' when we
get heaps of rain!!
----
Daniel70
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the sort of
Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds. Queensland is
getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go back to temperatures in
the high 30s.
You??
----
Daniel70
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(Confirmed, Ignore)
--Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 28/12/2025 12:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <10iq7ni$3vjl1$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 28/12/25 13:54, The Doctor wrote:
I prefer my inches, miles, stone, pounds, Fahrenheit, Gallons (IMp), ...
Your preferences are of importance to you but, will they be of interest
to many people here?
Rods, poles, perches, dead parrots, BTU, ... . How many links in a
centichain?
Looks like the insane Australian is in action.
Really?? Guess which of you two gets a free ride into the killfile?
Too late, he's aready there, in mine. I haven't detected anything of interest
posted by "The Doctor" since he erupted in this group. Have I missed anything
significant?
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
There is a poster with a flaky server connection.
I'm confirming for a few days which of his postings get through.
You do understand 'Ignore' I hope?
Jan
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
(Confirmed, Ignore)
My work here is done.
----
solar penguin
Le 27/12/2025 a 20:41, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Non, holas. 'To shiver into pieces' is 'se fracasser' or 'voler en oclats'.
It's this sort of thing that stops double meanings moving abroad.
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the
sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds. Queensland
is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go back to
temperatures in the high 30s.
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end until
mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and 'Winter' has
only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our normal 'Spring
Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end until
mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and 'Winter' has
only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our normal 'Spring
Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is about
six months long, so the other seasons have had to be shortened to make
them fit.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 27/12/2025 a 20:41, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :
On 27/12/2025 18:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
One consequence of the cold is that I learned a new word today: greloter >> >> means shiver.
Does it also have the other meaning of "shiver" - to break into small
fragments as in "shiver me timbers"?
Non, holas. 'To shiver into pieces' is 'se fracasser' or 'voler en oclats'. >>
It's this sort of thing that stops double meanings moving abroad.
Those customs officials you may meet on the way
do try to stop false friends,
Jan--
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the
sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds. Queensland
is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go back to
temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to Newcastle 57
years ago, so I'm starting to lose my Victorian accent.
I remember the old Hume Highway. Back in the 1950s it took four hours to >drive from Seymour to Melbourne. Now it's about one hour. And, in fact,
I can now drive from Newcastle to the centre of Melbourne without ever >leaving a freeway. (Except for meal breaks, of course. And I prefer to
do it over two days, to avoid dropping to sleep at the wheel.)
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end until
mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and 'Winter' has
only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our normal 'Spring
Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is about
six months long, so the other seasons have had to be shortened to make
them fit.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end until
mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and 'Winter' has
only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our normal 'Spring
Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is about
six months long, so the other seasons have had to be shortened to make
them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a fortnight,
and the other seasons work overtime.
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end
until mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and
'Winter' has only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our
normal 'Spring Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is
about six months long, so the other seasons have had to be
shortened to make them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a
fortnight, and the other seasons work overtime.
On 30/12/25 17:28, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end
until mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and
'Winter' has only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our
normal 'Spring Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is
about six months long, so the other seasons have had to be
shortened to make them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a
fortnight, and the other seasons work overtime.
That's true now, but all the world's oceans are warming, so you'll
eventually see the effect.
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,
global warming could give you an ice age.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say that?
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
On 30/12/25 17:28, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is
about six months long, so the other seasons have had to be
shortened to make them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a
fortnight, and the other seasons work overtime.
That's true now, but all the world's oceans are warming, so you'll
eventually see the effect.
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,
global warming could give you an ice age.
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
There is a poster with a flaky server connection.
I'm confirming for a few days which of his postings get through.
You do understand 'Ignore' I hope?
Jan
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the
sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds.
Queensland is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go
back to temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to Newcastle
57 years ago,
so I'm starting to lose my Victorian accent.
I remember the old Hume Highway. Back in the 1950s it took four hours
to drive from Seymour to Melbourne.
Now it's about one hour.
And, in fact, I can now drive from Newcastle to the centre of
Melbourne without ever leaving a freeway. (Except for meal breaks, of
course. And I prefer to do it over two days, to avoid dropping to
sleep at the wheel.)
On 30/12/25 17:28, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end
until mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and
'Winter' has only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our
normal 'Spring Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is
about six months long, so the other seasons have had to be
shortened to make them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a
fortnight, and the other seasons work overtime.
That's true now, but all the world's oceans are warming, so you'll
eventually see the effect.
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,
global warming could give you an ice age.
On 29/12/2025 9:30 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
There is a poster with a flaky server connection.
I'm confirming for a few days which of his postings get through.
You do understand 'Ignore' I hope?
Jan
Yes, I do .... but 'Ignore' merely increases my Interest!! ;-P
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember
William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple
in our JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say
that?
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
On 30/12/2025 12:32 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's
the sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds.
Queensland is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go
back to temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
Me .... Broadford, so a bit further away!!
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
so I'm starting to lose my Victorian accent.
Why??
I remember the old Hume Highway. Back in the 1950s it took four
hours to drive from Seymour to Melbourne.
Four Hours!! You've got to be joking!!
Now it's about one hour.
One hour .... on the right afternoon!! The Government MUST surely be
looking at adding another lane each way .... or two!!
On 30/12/2025 5:57 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,Hmm!! Wasn't there a Hollywood film about the Gulf Stream shutting
global warming could give you an ice age.
down .... and the impact that would have had on The World??
And (On Topic for alt.usage.english) the Gulf Stream collapsing
wouldn't give us Global *Warming* would it?? Climate Change, sure,
but not 'Global Warming'.
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The idea
was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a metal
garbage can, and add some suitable control electronics. I
would then set the device to wandering the corridors, saying
"Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
I must say that I used to skip the Dr Who episodes that
had Daleks in them. It was a silly idea, and not up to the
standard of the other episodes.
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who
(I remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much
later on, it was a staple in our JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed
to say that?
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
There was a project that I always meant to do for our university open
days, but I never got around to it. The idea was to attach wheels and a
motor to the bottom of a metal garbage can, and add some suitable
control electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William >Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say that?
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
Le 30/12/2025 |a 08:07, Hibou a |-crit :
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William
Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say that?
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
I don't think I'll go back to it. The moving eye looks, and, having
looked, moves on.
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:57, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 30/12/25 17:28, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is
about six months long, so the other seasons have had to be
shortened to make them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a
fortnight, and the other seasons work overtime.
That's true now, but all the world's oceans are warming, so you'll
eventually see the effect.
The main effect here has been to make the winters milder. Gone are the >Sundays when I'd drive to a deserted car park on an industrial estate to >practise skidding and recovery on the snow and ice.
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,
global warming could give you an ice age.
Yes, it's a worry. It keeps me awake during the day.
On 29/12/2025 9:30 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Yes, I do .... but 'Ignore' merely increases my Interest!! ;-P
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
There is a poster with a flaky server connection.
I'm confirming for a few days which of his postings get through.
You do understand 'Ignore' I hope?
Jan
----
Daniel70
On 30/12/2025 12:32 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's the
sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds.
Queensland is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go
back to temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
Me .... Broadford, so a bit further away!!
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to Newcastle
57 years ago,
Why??
so I'm starting to lose my Victorian accent.
Why??
I remember the old Hume Highway. Back in the 1950s it took four hours
to drive from Seymour to Melbourne.
Four Hours!! You've got to be joking!!
Now it's about one hour.
One hour .... on the right afternoon!! The Government MUST surely be
looking at adding another lane each way .... or two!!
And, in fact, I can now drive from Newcastle to the centre ofYeap.
Melbourne without ever leaving a freeway. (Except for meal breaks, of
course. And I prefer to do it over two days, to avoid dropping to
sleep at the wheel.)
----
Daniel70
On 30/12/2025 5:57 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 30/12/25 17:28, Hibou wrote:Hmm!! Wasn't there a Hollywood film about the Gulf Stream shutting down
Le 30/12/2025 |a 01:35, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
On 29/12/25 20:43, Daniel70 wrote:
I have a yet to be confirmed theory that The Worlds seasons have
slipped substantially .... because Our last 'Summer' didn't end
until mid-May and 'Autumn' continued until about August and
'Winter' has only just finished .... and 'we' are awaiting our
normal 'Spring Break' when we get heaps of rain!!
We used to have four seasons of three months each. Now summer is
about six months long, so the other seasons have had to be
shortened to make them fit.
That's the opposite of Scotland, where summer lasts about a
fortnight, and the other seasons work overtime.
That's true now, but all the world's oceans are warming, so you'll
eventually see the effect.
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,
global warming could give you an ice age.
.... and the impact that would have had on The World??
And (On Topic for alt.usage.english) the Gulf Stream collapsing wouldn't >give us Global *Warming* would it?? Climate Change, sure, but not
'Global Warming'.
----
Daniel70
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 29/12/2025 9:30 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:Yes, I do .... but 'Ignore' merely increases my Interest!! ;-P
On 29/12/2025 1:18 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:What the hell are 'confirmations', please??
In article <1ro0o6r.7mwtjpv2o90uN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <jjlxa32@xs4all.nl> wrote:
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
(confirmed, ignore)
Please do not top post.
Do learn the difference between a posting and a confirmation.
And don't reply to confirmations,
Jan
There is a poster with a flaky server connection.
I'm confirming for a few days which of his postings get through.
You do understand 'Ignore' I hope?
Jan
OK, changed it, for the benefit of the confirmed ignorami among us,
Jan
On 30/12/25 19:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember
William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple
in our JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say
that?
Probably not, but we all thought it. In the same way, nobody would have >watched the Mickey Mouse show if it hadn't had Annette Funicello in it.
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
There was a project that I always meant to do for our university open
days, but I never got around to it. The idea was to attach wheels and a
motor to the bottom of a metal garbage can, and add some suitable
control electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
I must say that I used to skip the Dr Who episodes that had Daleks in
them. It was a silly idea, and not up to the standard of the other episodes.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 30/12/25 19:39, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 12:32 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's
the sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds.
Queensland is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go
back to temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
Me .... Broadford, so a bit further away!!
One of my best friends in high school (Peter Henry) died in Broadford
just recently.
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
To do a Master's degree; but Newcastle is a nice place, so I never left.
so I'm starting to lose my Victorian accent.
Why??
That's what happens when you live in a new place. At another time, I
spent a year in California, and it took me about another year to lose my >American accent.
I remember the old Hume Highway. Back in the 1950s it took four
hours to drive from Seymour to Melbourne.
Four Hours!! You've got to be joking!!
It was a long and winding road. Especially on the steep bits crossing
the divide.
Now it's about one hour.
One hour .... on the right afternoon!! The Government MUST surely be
looking at adding another lane each way .... or two!!
If it's any consolation, driving in Sydney is even worse. Although it's
hard to match Melbourne's Monash Freeway for walking-speed traffic.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 30/12/25 19:47, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 5:57 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
That's assuming the Gulf Stream doesn't collapse. If that happens,Hmm!! Wasn't there a Hollywood film about the Gulf Stream shutting
global warming could give you an ice age.
down .... and the impact that would have had on The World??
And (On Topic for alt.usage.english) the Gulf Stream collapsing
wouldn't give us Global *Warming* would it?? Climate Change, sure,
but not 'Global Warming'.
Global warming refers to the global average temperature, which is rising >steadily. But an average is an average. Actual temperatures vary a lot
from place to place.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The idea
was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a metal
garbage can, and add some suitable control electronics. I
would then set the device to wandering the corridors, saying
"Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
I must say that I used to skip the Dr Who episodes that
had Daleks in them. It was a silly idea, and not up to the
standard of the other episodes.
As a child I thought Daleks were the best of the Doctor's
foes... I used to use the Pawns from my chess set as Daleks
and had an army of them moving across the carpet when I was
younger. (i.e. the 1970's) Daleks were brilliant!
But when it came to silly ideas, once I grew up I realised that
"Doctor Who" was full of them... Daleks were not even close to
the top of THAT list!
Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who
(I remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much
later on, it was a staple in our JCR's TV room).
I'm too 'young' to remember William Hartnell's era, but
Doctor Who was a staple in our house in the 1970's...
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed
to say that?
Of course. :-)
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
Quarries and corridors...
In article <10j09qr$1ng0n$1@dont-email.me>,
peter@pmoylan.org says...
There was a project that I always meant to do for our university open
days, but I never got around to it. The idea was to attach wheels and a
motor to the bottom of a metal garbage can, and add some suitable
control electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
I was watching Star Trek: Lower Decks last night, and
there was a line where an evil computer shrieked
"Exterminate!" right before cutting to commercial. That
line has really entered the culture.
Melissa
In article <10j0arm$1nmne$2@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
Global warming refers to the global average temperature,
which is rising steadily. But an average is an average.
Actual temperatures vary a lot from place to place.
I am tryign to recall a DW plot about climate change.
I was watching Star Trek: Lower Decks last night, and
there was a line where an evil computer shrieked
"Exterminate!" right before cutting to commercial. That
line has really entered the culture.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <10j0arm$1nmne$2@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
Global warming refers to the global average temperature,
which is rising steadily. But an average is an average.
Actual temperatures vary a lot from place to place.
I am tryign to recall a DW plot about climate change.
Off the top of my head, "Orphan 55" ...
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William >Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou ><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William >>Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
--Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk --
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The idea
was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a metal
garbage can, and add some suitable control electronics. I
would then set the device to wandering the corridors, saying
"Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
The True Melissa wrote:
I was watching Star Trek: Lower Decks last night, and
there was a line where an evil computer shrieked
"Exterminate!" right before cutting to commercial. That
line has really entered the culture.
I'm still waiting for another sci-fi show to use the "my
vision is impaired, I cannot see" line...
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say that?
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
On 30/12/25 19:39, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 12:32 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's
the sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds.
Queensland is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go
back to temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
Me .... Broadford, so a bit further away!!
One of my best friends in high school (Peter Henry) died in Broadford
just recently.
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
To do a Master's degree; but Newcastle is a nice place, so I never left.
In article <np29lkhr2quc0kroitqib758fsc2p5adj5@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William >>> Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
I doubt it.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
My starting at about Late DoctorJon, I must have missed a
lot of the Quarries. Not ALL but a lot.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Le 31/12/2025 |a 06:57, Hibou a |-crit :
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
I should add that ours are larger on the outside than the good Doctor's, >though smaller on the inside (obviously). This one is typical:
<https://i0.wp.com/threadinburgh.scot/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/320454841_60dee72bbe_c.jpg>
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I
remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later
on, it was a staple in our JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and
the Daleks.
On 31/12/2025 05:36, The Doctor wrote:
In article <np29lkhr2quc0kroitqib758fsc2p5adj5@4ax.com>, Steve
Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I
remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on,
it was a staple in our JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the
Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
I doubt it.
some have been converted to other uses. but with no policemen to walk
a 'beat', there is no need for the boxes. They did exist in other
pacesm too. I remember some in Edinburgh. Unlike the Tardis. they has
a WC!
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The
idea was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a
metal garbage can, and add some suitable control
electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been
up-ended before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the
bottom!
On 30/12/2025 9:46 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 30/12/25 19:39, Daniel70 wrote:
One of my best friends in high school (Peter Henry) died in
Broadford just recently.
Can't say I've ever heard of 'Peter Henry'. Condolenses.
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
To do a Master's degree; but Newcastle is a nice place, so I never
left.
What?? Melbourne, La Trobe, RMIT not good enough for you?? ;-P
Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The
idea was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a
metal garbage can, and add some suitable control
electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been
up-ended before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the
bottom!
The metal dustbins of those days were generally uniform in size,
silver metal and had domed lids... so you could stretch your
imagination and make Daleks out of them, if you were that way
inclined.
A remote controlled metal dustbin tearing down a corridor sounds
like it could have been fun!
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 08:18:20 +0000, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 a 06:57, Hibou a ocrit :
Le 31/12/2025 a 02:35, Steve Hayes a ocrit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks. >>>
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
dee72bbe_c.jpg>I should add that ours are larger on the outside than the good Doctor's, >though smaller on the inside (obviously). This one is typical:
<https://i0.wp.com/threadinburgh.scot/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/320454841_60
If it's of any interest to anyone, Dr Who (the William Hartnell
version) gets a mention in my children's novel "Cross Purposes", of
which I'm offering free ebook versions to the first 5 who claim it
before the end of the year.
If you'd like a copy go to
https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/hayesstw
Choose the book and enter Coupon code DUXWW
when asked to pay.
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember
William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple
in our JCR's TV room).
Sorry. "JCR's"?? Junior College/Common Room, maybe.
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
Le 31/12/2025 |a 06:57, Hibou a |-crit :
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
I should add that ours are larger on the outside than the good Doctor's, >though smaller on the inside (obviously). This one is typical:
<https://i0.wp.com/threadinburgh.scot/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/320454841_60dee72bbe_c.jpg>
Here's one selling coffee:
<https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article23337817.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Screen-Shot-2022-03-09-at-144606.png>
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The idea
was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a metal
garbage can, and add some suitable control electronics. I
would then set the device to wandering the corridors, saying
"Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been up-ended
before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the bottom!
----
Daniel70
On 31/12/2025 7:56 am, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:Perhaps one for 'The Borg', maybe.
I was watching Star Trek: Lower Decks last night, and
there was a line where an evil computer shrieked
"Exterminate!" right before cutting to commercial. That
line has really entered the culture.
I'm still waiting for another sci-fi show to use the "my
vision is impaired, I cannot see" line...
----
Daniel70
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William
Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
Sorry. "JCR's"?? Junior College/Common Room, maybe.
If I'm honest, I think it was his companions. Is one allowed to say that?My starting at about Late DoctorJon, I must have missed a lot of the >Quarries. Not ALL but a lot.
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
----
Daniel70
On 30/12/2025 9:46 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 30/12/25 19:39, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 12:32 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 29/12/25 20:45, Daniel70 wrote:
On 29/12/2025 11:05 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/12/25 23:46, Steve Hayes wrote:I'm on the old Hume Highway, just south of Seymour.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:46:54 +1100, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Steve and Peter, are you two in Australia, 'cause that's
the sort of Temps we've had for Christmas??
South Africa in my case, I believe Peter is in Queensland.
Further south than that. We're just getting cold winds.
Queensland is getting floods. But no doubt we'lll all soon go
back to temperatures in the high 30s.
Tallarook?
Me .... Broadford, so a bit further away!!
One of my best friends in high school (Peter Henry) died in Broadford
just recently.
Can't say I've ever heard of 'Peter Henry'. Condolenses.
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
To do a Master's degree; but Newcastle is a nice place, so I never left.
What?? Melbourne, La Trobe, RMIT not good enough for you?? ;-P
Far out!! I just did a search for "Universities in Melbourne, Victoria", >expecting, maybe, five possibilities but, as its top selection, DDG
offered 'Top 20 Universities in Melbourne"
Far OUT!!
----
Daniel70
On 31/12/2025 05:36, The Doctor wrote:
In article <np29lkhr2quc0kroitqib758fsc2p5adj5@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember William >>>> Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple in our
JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
I doubt it.
some have been converted to other uses. but with no policemen to walk a >'beat', there is no need for the boxes. They did exist in other pacesm
too. I remember some in Edinburgh. Unlike the Tardis. they has a WC!
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
My starting at about Late DoctorJon, I must have missed a
It was the endless quarries that sapped my interest.
lot of the Quarries. Not ALL but a lot.
The 1970's featured a lot of them as outside locations. You
just probably didn't know they were all quarries!
I'm sure they re-used them and dressed them up some bit to
disguise them... a big boulder here, a small boulder there ...
;-)
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 08:18:20 +0000, Hibou ><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 06:57, Hibou a |-crit :
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks. >>>>
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or >>> have been turned into coffee outlets.
I should add that ours are larger on the outside than the good Doctor's, >>though smaller on the inside (obviously). This one is typical:
<https://i0.wp.com/threadinburgh.scot/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/320454841_60dee72bbe_c.jpg>
If it's of any interest to anyone, Dr Who (the William Hartnell
version) gets a mention in my children's novel "Cross Purposes", of
which I'm offering free ebook versions to the first 5 who claim it
before the end of the year.
If you'd like a copy go to
https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/hayesstw
Choose the book and enter Coupon code DUXWW
when asked to pay.
Comments about authenticity from those who know the Hatnell Dr Who are >welcome.
----
Stephen Hayes, Author of The Year of the Dragon
Sample or purchase The Year of the Dragon: >https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/907935
Web site: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk or if you use Gmail hayesstw@telkomsa.net
Steve Hayes wrote:
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
There's one near Earls Court Underground station... or
there was the last time I was in London. I don't think
it was a working Police call box though. It's more for
tourists... especially Whovian tourists!
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I
remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later
on, it was a staple in our JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and
the Daleks.
I think it's fair to say William Hartnell's Doctor and the
Daleks is what caught the imagination of a lot of children in
the 1960's. (Dalekmania and all that...) If the show hadn't been
a success then, it wouldn't have made it to the 1970's and 80's.
On 31/12/2025 10:45 am, Charles Hope wrote:
On 31/12/2025 05:36, The Doctor wrote:
In article <np29lkhr2quc0kroitqib758fsc2p5adj5@4ax.com>, Steve
Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 08:07:11 +0000, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I
remember William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on,
it was a staple in our JCR's TV room).
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the
Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
I doubt it.
some have been converted to other uses. but with no policemen to walk
a 'beat', there is no need for the boxes. They did exist in other
pacesm too. I remember some in Edinburgh. Unlike the Tardis. they has
a WC!
And, I'm guessing, back in the day, the Bobbies actually WALKED the beat
.... so may have needed somewhere to secure the naughty people until
they could ring the Station and arrange pick-up.
----
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The
idea was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a
metal garbage can, and add some suitable control
electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been
up-ended before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the
bottom!
The metal dustbins of those days were generally uniform in size,
silver metal and had domed lids... so you could stretch your
imagination and make Daleks out of them, if you were that way
inclined.
A remote controlled metal dustbin tearing down a corridor sounds
like it could have been fun!
On 31/12/2025 10:17 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Oh!! Back in my youth, the metal bins were always slightly wider at the
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The
idea was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a
metal garbage can, and add some suitable control
electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been
up-ended before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the
bottom!
The metal dustbins of those days were generally uniform in size,
silver metal and had domed lids... so you could stretch your
imagination and make Daleks out of them, if you were that way
inclined.
A remote controlled metal dustbin tearing down a corridor sounds
like it could have been fun!
top so you could stack them, one inside the other, with the Handles just >below the rim.
And the lids were stacked separately.
----
Daniel70
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 08:18:20 +0000, Hiboudee72bbe_c.jpg>
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 a 06:57, Hibou a ocrit :
Le 31/12/2025 a 02:35, Steve Hayes a ocrit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks. >> >>>
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or >> >> have been turned into coffee outlets.
I should add that ours are larger on the outside than the good Doctor's,
though smaller on the inside (obviously). This one is typical:
<https://i0.wp.com/threadinburgh.scot/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/320454841_60
If it's of any interest to anyone, Dr Who (the William Hartnell
version) gets a mention in my children's novel "Cross Purposes", of
which I'm offering free ebook versions to the first 5 who claim it
before the end of the year.
If you'd like a copy go to
https://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/hayesstw
Choose the book and enter Coupon code DUXWW
when asked to pay.
FYI, your links are finally working,
but download seems to be impossible
without first creating an account with them,
Jan
Le 31/12/2025 |a 10:24, Daniel70 a |-crit :
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember
William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple
in our JCR's TV room).
Sorry. "JCR's"?? Junior College/Common Room, maybe.
Yes, Junior Common Room's. My apologies for not making that clear.
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
Where is here, owl?
Le 31/12/2025 |a 14:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks. >>>>
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
In article <mrl2d5F5opeU1@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 14:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks. >>>>>
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or >>>> have been turned into coffee outlets.
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
What is the scottish word for owl?#
In article <mrjvr8Ft88qU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 | 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or >have been turned into coffee outlets.
Where is here, owl?
Le 31/12/2025 a 02:35, Steve Hayes a ocrit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The
idea was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a
metal garbage can, and add some suitable control
electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been
up-ended before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the
bottom!
The metal dustbins of those days were generally uniform in size,
silver metal and had domed lids... so you could stretch your
imagination and make Daleks out of them, if you were that way
inclined.
A remote controlled metal dustbin tearing down a corridor sounds
like it could have been fun!
On 31/12/2025 16:50, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mrl2d5F5opeU1@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 14:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks. >>>>>>
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or >>>>> have been turned into coffee outlets.
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
What is the scottish word for owl?#
oolet (in Doric)
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <mrjvr8Ft88qU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 | 02:35, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
Where is here, owl?
Eh, the correct form of adress is 'Grand Duke',
Jan
On 2025-12-31 06:57:44 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 31/12/2025 a 02:35, Steve Hayes a ocrit :
Yes, my image of Dr Who was shaped by William Hartnell and the Daleks.
Are there still "Police Boxes" on London streets?
Not sure about London. There are some here, but they're either empty or
have been turned into coffee outlets.
I'm not sure about actual Police Boxes (certainly none functional), but >there are still many phone boxes on streets around England, although
many have been turned into all sorts of things - coffee outlets, tiny >libraries, tiny art galleries, etc.
In New Zealand there are still a few public phone boxes around. Some
still have a phone in them and they had wi-fi access added to them, but
the NZ telecoms company has been planning to phase them out.
Since about the 1970s, the problem has been that morons vandalise them,
and now *almost* everyone has a mobile phone (I'm one of the few people
who don't).
On 2025-12-31 11:17:47 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 11:02 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Peter Moylan wrote:
There was a project that I always meant to do for our
university open days, but I never got around to it. The
idea was to attach wheels and a motor to the bottom of a
metal garbage can, and add some suitable control
electronics. I would then set the device to wandering the
corridors, saying "Exterminate" in a suitable voice.
That would have been a cool project.
Would have been more appropriate if the Garbage Bin had been
up-ended before the wheels were attached.
I mean ... The Daleks were thinner at the top than at the
bottom!
The metal dustbins of those days were generally uniform in size,
silver metal and had domed lids... so you could stretch your
imagination and make Daleks out of them, if you were that way
inclined.
A remote controlled metal dustbin tearing down a corridor sounds
like it could have been fun!
One of many ...
RC Wheelie bin/Trash Can
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUpzC1QP8z4>
Charles Hope wrote:
On 31/12/2025 16:50, The Doctor wrote:
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 14:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
What is the scottish word for owl?#
oolet (in Doric)
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Le 31/12/2025 |a 10:24, Daniel70 a |-crit :
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember
William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple
in our JCR's TV room).
Sorry. "JCR's"?? Junior College/Common Room, maybe.
Yes, Junior Common Room's. My apologies for not making that clear.
On 31/12/25 21:42, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 9:46 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 30/12/25 19:39, Daniel70 wrote:
One of my best friends in high school (Peter Henry) died in
Broadford just recently.
Can't say I've ever heard of 'Peter Henry'. Condolenses.
He had a regular program on community radio, but that probably
wasn't visible to many people. And I think the radio station was in
Wallan, not Broadford.
Another of my school friends was from Darraweit Guim, which in those
days was a one-horse town, possibly with two dogs. The horse and one
of the dogs belonged to my friend.
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
To do a Master's degree; but Newcastle is a nice place, so I
never left.
What?? Melbourne, La Trobe, RMIT not good enough for you?? ;-P
In those days (1968) La Trobe university had just opened, and it was
not yet clear that it would amount to anything. RMIT was still a
technical college. (And in fact I taught fourth year mathematics at
RMIT, as a casual lecturer, in the same year as I was doing fourth
year engineering at Melbourne University.)
As for Melbourne ... I didn't as yet know the full story, but as an undergraduate I could still see that there was no research going on
at all in engineering at Melbourne University.
The university was going into a decline. The medical faculty had
expanded to the extent that it dominated the governance of the
university, and all the other faculties were starved of funding. In engineering, all of the top people had moved to the "new" university
at Monash. Electrical engineering was still able to put on an
undergraduate degree, but only just. Doing a master's there was out
of the question.
As it turned out, I landed on my feet. Newcastle had a new
university, and in some departments (by no means all) had attracted
some good people. As a result, it became one of the top universities
in the world in control and systems theory. It went downhill after I
retired, but for a good long time it was a good place to be.
Le 31/12/2025 |a 23:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Charles Hope wrote:
On 31/12/2025 16:50, The Doctor wrote:
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 14:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
What is the scottish word for owl?#
oolet (in Doric)
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups
are now largely moribund, h|-las.
On 1/01/2026 12:56 am, Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 10:24, Daniel70 a |-crit :Thank you! ;-P
On 30/12/2025 7:07 pm, Hibou wrote:
Le 30/12/2025 |a 06:49, The Doctor a |-crit :
So what do you like about Doctor Who?
By golly, it's a long time since I've watched Dr Who (I remember
William Hartnell and the Daleks, and, much later on, it was a staple
in our JCR's TV room).
Sorry. "JCR's"?? Junior College/Common Room, maybe.
Yes, Junior Common Room's. My apologies for not making that clear.
----
Daniel70
On 31/12/2025 10:37 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 31/12/25 21:42, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/12/2025 9:46 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 30/12/25 19:39, Daniel70 wrote:
One of my best friends in high school (Peter Henry) died in
Broadford just recently.
Can't say I've ever heard of 'Peter Henry'. Condolenses.
He had a regular program on community radio, but that probably
wasn't visible to many people. And I think the radio station was in
Wallan, not Broadford.
Yeah, back in the day, Wallan would have been 'Country', now it's 'Outer >Suburban'.
Another of my school friends was from Darraweit Guim, which in those
days was a one-horse town, possibly with two dogs. The horse and one
of the dogs belonged to my friend.
That's a coincidence. I grew up in Seymour. But I moved to
Newcastle 57 years ago,
Why??
To do a Master's degree; but Newcastle is a nice place, so I
never left.
What?? Melbourne, La Trobe, RMIT not good enough for you?? ;-P
In those days (1968) La Trobe university had just opened, and it was
not yet clear that it would amount to anything. RMIT was still a
technical college. (And in fact I taught fourth year mathematics at
RMIT, as a casual lecturer, in the same year as I was doing fourth
year engineering at Melbourne University.)
RMIT (Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology), was where I got my
Associate Diploma of Engineering (Electronics) in 1990.
Back then, The Army (or RASigs) had a deal with RMIT where, given
recognition of prior learning, we could achieve our ADE(E) in just
twelve (very solid) months study, 9a.m. to 4p.m., five days a week!!
As for Melbourne ... I didn't as yet know the full story, but as an
undergraduate I could still see that there was no research going on
at all in engineering at Melbourne University.
I think two of my elder sisters got degrees from Melbourne.
The university was going into a decline. The medical faculty had
expanded to the extent that it dominated the governance of the
university, and all the other faculties were starved of funding. In
engineering, all of the top people had moved to the "new" university
at Monash. Electrical engineering was still able to put on an
undergraduate degree, but only just. Doing a master's there was out
of the question.
As it turned out, I landed on my feet. Newcastle had a new
university, and in some departments (by no means all) had attracted
some good people. As a result, it became one of the top universities
in the world in control and systems theory. It went downhill after I
retired, but for a good long time it was a good place to be.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see it??)
----
Daniel70
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system. Before that, Celsius was most often called Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
On 12/27/2025 2:36 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
I think many of those names were approved and came into general use in
the late 1960s and early 1970s, when many countries were officially
adopting the metric system. Before that, Celsius was most often called
Centigrade, and Hertz was kilocycles.
ITYM kHz was kilocycles?
Before that Amps, Vols and Watts
were common, but not some of the other names for measurements.
/Anders, Denmark
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 23:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups
are now largely moribund, h|-las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
Le 01/01/2026 |a 15:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 23:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups >>> are now largely moribund, h|-las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
<foreign>
INN ? |C bas les sigles inexpliqu|-s !
</foreign>
Le 01/01/2026 |a 15:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 23:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups >>> are now largely moribund, h|-las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
<foreign>
INN ? |C bas les sigles inexpliqu|-s !
</foreign>
On 02/01/26 17:38, Hibou wrote:
Le 01/01/2026 |a 15:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a 23:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups >>>> are now largely moribund, h|-las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
<foreign>
INN ? |C bas les sigles inexpliqu|-s !
</foreign>
Acronym finder says InetNetNews. I suspect that it's left out some periods.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/01/26 17:38, Hibou wrote:
Le 01/01/2026 |a 15:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
<foreign>
INN ? |C bas les sigles inexpliqu|-s !
</foreign>
Acronym finder says InetNetNews. I suspect that it's left out some periods.
Huh?
INN stands for InterNetNews!
In article <mrmi9hFd5qqU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a-a 23:38, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Charles Hope wrote:
On 31/12/2025 16:50, The Doctor wrote:
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a-a 14:38, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
What is the scottish word for owl?#
oolet (in Doric)
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups
are now largely moribund, h|a--las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
In article <10j5em7$3ci0u$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 31/12/2025 10:37 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
As it turned out, I landed on my feet. Newcastle had a new
university, and in some departments (by no means all) had attracted
some good people. As a result, it became one of the top universities
in the world in control and systems theory. It went downhill after I
retired, but for a good long time it was a good place to be.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see it??)
Hopefully these are newcomers to drwho.
Le 02/01/2026 |a 06:58, The Doctor a |-crit :
Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/01/26 17:38, Hibou wrote:Huh?
Le 01/01/2026 |a 15:38, The Doctor a |-crit :
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
<foreign>
INN ? |C bas les sigles inexpliqu|-s !
</foreign>
Acronym finder says InetNetNews. I suspect that it's left out some periods. >>
INN stands for InterNetNews!
Merci. Ndt : thanks.
(Only kidding.) Ndt, note du traducteur, translator's note.
On 2/01/2026 2:38 am, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mrmi9hFd5qqU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a-a 23:38, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Charles Hope wrote:
On 31/12/2025 16:50, The Doctor wrote:
Hibou wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a-a 14:38, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Where is here, owl?
Scotland.
What is the scottish word for owl?#
oolet (in Doric)
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups >>> are now largely moribund, h|a--las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
Google Translate converts that into ....
"And now IT is driven by a Frenchman."
Could they be talking about a different "IT"??
----
Daniel70
On 2/01/2026 2:46 am, The Doctor wrote:--
In article <10j5em7$3ci0u$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 31/12/2025 10:37 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
<Snip>
Hopefully these are newcomers to drwho.As it turned out, I landed on my feet. Newcastle had a new
university, and in some departments (by no means all) had attracted
some good people. As a result, it became one of the top universities
in the world in control and systems theory. It went downhill after I
retired, but for a good long time it was a good place to be.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see it??) >>
Easy way to find out, Binky(Word used by paedophiles to indicate their joy of
child sexual molestation) ..... drop all your cross-posts and see if
any follow you back into the "Doctor Who" newsgroups, Binky (Word used by
paedophiles to indicate their joy of child sexual molestation) .
--
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote:
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
Plutot deriger que conduire..
Google Translate converts that into ....
"And now IT is driven by a Frenchman."
Could they be talking about a different "IT"??
It must have meant it not IT.
Le 02/01/2026 |a 13:53, The Doctor a |-crit :
Daniel70 wrote:
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
Plutot deriger que conduire..
Well, French is a bugger (that's the fun of it). Plut||t : INN est
dirig|-e par un Fran|oais.
That is, dirig|-e (participle, not infinitive) if INN is considered to be >une entreprise, une soci|-t|-, a company, and so feminine, dirig|- if it's >un groupe (like le groupe Orange), and so masculine. One can circumvent
this question by saying: C'est un Fran|oais qui dirige INN.
And Fran|oais with a capital for a Frenchman. (As a noun without a
capital it's the language, le fran|oais, la langue fran|oaise.)
Quibbles? Yes in a way. These things must strike terror into French
school pupils, who regularly have to take dictation. We native English >speakers are lucky people.
Google Translate converts that into ....
"And now IT is driven by a Frenchman."
Could they be talking about a different "IT"??
It must have meant it not IT.
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If it's
to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire, Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
Le 02/01/2026 a 15:37, The Doctor a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass
of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and
seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire, Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a
mass of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course
and seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and
obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
On 03/01/26 04:57, Hibou wrote:
Le 02/01/2026 a 15:37, The Doctor a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
In that respect, Irish is worse off than Scots Gaelic. The native
speakers live in little corners of the country.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a
mass of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course
and seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and
obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
That doesn't have to be a problem. I've just been learning some computer-related terms in Irish. The words -- e.g. riomhaire for
computer -- have the look and feel of native Irish words. Occasionally
you see a word that looks similar to English -- e.g. idirli<n for
internet -- but overall the language is handling the new concepts
without introducing a pidgin.
The real problem is that the English language so dominates the society
that you can't function properly -- get a job, do the shopping, etc. -- unless you're fluent in English. That's also the problem for minority languages in other countries.
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well they >speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If it's
to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass of new >words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and seeks to >preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire, >Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
On 02/01/2026 17:57, Hibou wrote:
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :I know a Gaelic speaker living on the isle of Lewis Apparently her dog
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well they
speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If it's
to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass of new
words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and seeks to
preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
is bi-lingual = she talks to it in Gaelic, but the neighbour who looks
after the dog when she's away on;y speaks English.
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 02/01/2026 a 15:37, The Doctor a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well they
speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass
of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and
seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For
example, the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption
of "motorcar"). :-\
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first
time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a
dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
On 03/01/26 04:57, Hibou wrote:
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
In that respect, Irish is worse off than Scots Gaelic. The native
speakers live in little corners of the country.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a
mass of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course
and seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and
obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
That doesn't have to be a problem. I've just been learning some >computer-related terms in Irish. The words -- e.g. riomhaire for
computer -- have the look and feel of native Irish words. Occasionally
you see a word that looks similar to English -- e.g. idirli||n for
internet -- but overall the language is handling the new concepts
without introducing a pidgin.
The real problem is that the English language so dominates the society
that you can't function properly -- get a job, do the shopping, etc. -- >unless you're fluent in English. That's also the problem for minority >languages in other countries.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:49:12 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Are you sure wasn't a Quasi-relative? I have a hunch he was.
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
----
solar penguin
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
On 03/01/26 09:43, solar penguin wrote:
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
I can't complain. I owe my existence to him.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
----
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his >precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean
In article <5efglk52upnht7stq50qfhne3s8e0at9hb@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:49:12 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Are you sure wasn't a Quasi-relative? I have a hunch he was.
Hunch baSED on?
On 03/01/26 11:33, The Doctor wrote:
In article <5efglk52upnht7stq50qfhne3s8e0at9hb@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:49:12 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Are you sure wasn't a Quasi-relative? I have a hunch he was.
Hunch baSED on?
What was that whooshing noise?
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the "rules" of being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally and figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their death bed
and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so that's why they just do whatever they want until then ... and that's assuming any of them actually
believe the pile of complete elephant-poo that they spout to their blinkered congregations in their churches.
:-\
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the
"rules" of being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally
and figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their
death bed and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so
that's why they just do whatever they want until then ... and that's >assuming any of them actually believe the pile of complete elephant-poo
that they spout to their blinkered congregations in their churches.
:-\
Your Name presented the following explanation :
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the "rules" of
being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally and figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their death bed
and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so that's why they just
do whatever they want until then ... and that's assuming any of them actually
believe the pile of complete elephant-poo that they spout to their blinkered
congregations in their churches.
:-\
And you, of course, are flawless, and never guilty of either scamming
or succumbing to temptation, so you're in an excellent position to
posture about other's moral posture.
/dps
----
Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?
Your Name presented the following explanation :
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the
"rules" of being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally
and figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their
death bed and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so
that's why they just do whatever they want until then ... and that's
assuming any of them actually believe the pile of complete elephant-poo
that they spout to their blinkered congregations in their churches.
:-\
And you, of course, are flawless, and never guilty of either scamming
or succumbing to temptation, so you're in an excellent position to
posture about other's moral posture.
/dps
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For example,
the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption of "motorcar").-a :-\
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first
time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a
dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
In article <10j83gj$9iod$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 2/01/2026 2:38 am, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mrmi9hFd5qqU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a|A|e-a 23:38, The Doctor a |a|A|e--crit :
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent
them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups >>>> are now largely moribund, h|a|A|e--las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
Plutot deriger que conduire..
Google Translate converts that into ....
"And now IT is driven by a Frenchman."
Could they be talking about a different "IT"??
It must have meant it not IT.
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass
of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and
seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For example,
the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption of "motorcar").-a :-\
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first
time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a
dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
In article <10j9eb6$p43o$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 03/01/26 04:57, Hibou wrote:
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png> >>>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how
well they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not
English.
In that respect, Irish is worse off than Scots Gaelic. The native
speakers live in little corners of the country.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic.
If it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must
acquire a mass of new words, and its nature changes. If one
rejects that course and seeks to preserve it as is, then it
becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the
fire, Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to
discuss Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
That doesn't have to be a problem. I've just been learning some
computer-related terms in Irish. The words -- e.g. riomhaire for
computer -- have the look and feel of native Irish words.
Occasionally you see a word that looks similar to English -- e.g.
idirli|a-|n for internet -- but overall the language is handling the
new concepts without introducing a pidgin.
The real problem is that the English language so dominates the
society that you can't function properly -- get a job, do the
shopping, etc. -- unless you're fluent in English. That's also the
problem for minority languages in other countries.
Irish at least offers language classes.
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Here, in Australia, there are something like 500 Aboriginal Nations,
so I'm guessing there are at least that many languages. And as the
original tribes were nomadic, there has probably been a lot of
intermingling .... of people AND languages.
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps! Bellringer .... Nope!!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
On 03/01/26 21:19, Daniel70 wrote:
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Bellringer .... Nope!!
In case it wasn't clear: I was talking about long-ago ancestors in
Ireland, not in Western Victoria. I'm only a fourth generation Australian.
On 2026-01-03 06:14:48 +0000, Snidely said:
Your Name presented the following explanation :
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a >>>>>> priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the "rules" >>> of being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally and
figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their death >>> bed and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so that's why
they just do whatever they want until then ... and that's assuming any of >>> them actually believe the pile of complete elephant-poo that they spout to >>> their blinkered congregations in their churches.
:-\
And you, of course, are flawless, and never guilty of either scamming or
succumbing to temptation, so you're in an excellent position to posture
about other's moral posture.
/dps
I never claimed to be "flawless" ... but neither am I a hypocrite priest who goes around doing whatever (including ignore most of the so-called "10 Commandments") I want just because I can supposedly "claim forgiveness" fromm
a mythical God on my death bed.
On 2026-01-03 06:14:48 +0000, Snidely said:
Your Name presented the following explanation :
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the
"rules" of being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally
and figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their
death bed and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so
that's why they just do whatever they want until then ... and that's
assuming any of them actually believe the pile of complete elephant-poo >>> that they spout to their blinkered congregations in their churches.
:-\
And you, of course, are flawless, and never guilty of either scamming
or succumbing to temptation, so you're in an excellent position to
posture about other's moral posture.
/dps
I never claimed to be "flawless" ... but neither am I a hypocrite
priest who goes around doing whatever (including ignore most of the >so-called "10 Commandments") I want just because I can supposedly
"claim forgiveness" fromm a mythical God on my death bed.
Le 02/01/2026 |a 20:53, Your Name a |-crit :
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For example,
the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption of
"motorcar").-a :-\
Emergency vehicles round here have Gaelic on them as well as English,
even though the Gaelic-speaking population is far away in the North.
Police cars are labelled 'Poileas', and ambulances 'Ambaileans'. This
looks to me like English respelled.
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first
time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a
dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
It's similar here. The Nationalist-dominated Scottish Parliament loves >Gaelic, and forces its use here and there, but it's of no practical
value to most Scots. Learning a language is a big job, and one's time is >better spent learning one that looks outwards and to the future.
The problem of Anglicisms - or more often Americanisms - occurs in
widely spoken languages, too. There are frequent complaints in >fr.lettres.langue.francaise about them denaturing French, and with
reason. Occasionally, the French come up with a pleasing word for
something new - 'infox', for instance, based on 'intox' - but that
hasn't slowed the march of 'fake news'. And it isn't just vocabulary;
it's also turns of phrase ('anglicismes syntaxiques': 'vivre en
campagne' for 'vivre |a la campagne' etc.).
I don't see a solution. Culture is being homogenised everywhere, and the >only languages that are safe from it are those that are dead.
FU2 aue only.
On 3/01/2026 12:53 am, The Doctor wrote:--
In article <10j83gj$9iod$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 2/01/2026 2:38 am, The Doctor wrote:
In article <mrmi9hFd5qqU2@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 31/12/2025 |a|A|e-a 23:38, The Doctor a |a|A|e--crit :
<Snip>
So why not call yourself oolet instead of hibou?
Because I cut my Usenet teeth in the fr.* groups, and still frequent >>>>> them to some extent. I learnt a lot of French that way, but those groups >>>>> are now largely moribund, h|a|A|e--las.
Et maintenant INN est condiut par un francais.
Plutot deriger que conduire..
Google Translate converts that into ....
"And now IT is driven by a Frenchman."
Could they be talking about a different "IT"??
It must have meant it not IT.
So why, oh, why did it write 'IT', Binky(Word used by paedophiles to indicate >Their joy of child sexual molestation)??
--
Daniel70
On 3/01/2026 7:53 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:Here, in Australia, there are something like 500 Aboriginal Nations, so
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png> >>>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass
of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and
seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For example,
the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption of
"motorcar").-a :-\
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first
time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a
dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
I'm guessing there are at least that many languages. And as the original >tribes were nomadic, there has probably been a lot of intermingling ....
of people AND languages.
----
Daniel70
On 3/01/2026 11:32 am, The Doctor wrote:--
In article <10j9eb6$p43o$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
On 03/01/26 04:57, Hibou wrote:
Le 02/01/2026 |a 15:37, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png> >>>>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how
well they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not
English.
In that respect, Irish is worse off than Scots Gaelic. The native
speakers live in little corners of the country.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic.
If it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must
acquire a mass of new words, and its nature changes. If one
rejects that course and seeks to preserve it as is, then it
becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the
fire, Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to
discuss Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
That doesn't have to be a problem. I've just been learning some
computer-related terms in Irish. The words -- e.g. riomhaire for
computer -- have the look and feel of native Irish words.
Occasionally you see a word that looks similar to English -- e.g.
idirli|a-|n for internet -- but overall the language is handling the
new concepts without introducing a pidgin.
The real problem is that the English language so dominates the
society that you can't function properly -- get a job, do the
shopping, etc. -- unless you're fluent in English. That's also the
problem for minority languages in other countries.
Irish at least offers language classes.
So why don't you take some classes, Binky(Word used by paedophiles to >indicate their joy of child sexual molestation). At least then you might be >able to communicate in one language, at least, Binky(Word used by paedophiles >to indicate their joy of child sexual molestation ).
--
Daniel70
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps! >Bellringer .... Nope!!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
----
Daniel70
On 03/01/26 20:55, Daniel70 wrote:
Here, in Australia, there are something like 500 Aboriginal Nations,
so I'm guessing there are at least that many languages. And as the
original tribes were nomadic, there has probably been a lot of
intermingling .... of people AND languages.
The official number is 250, but I imagine that there were quite a few >languages that went extinct before they could be documented. I've seen
claims that 120 of those languages are still spoken, but I have my
doubts about that. If you eliminate the ones that have only one or two >speakers, 20 would be a more realistic estimate.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 03/01/26 21:19, Daniel70 wrote:
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see
it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Bellringer .... Nope!!
In case it wasn't clear: I was talking about long-ago ancestors in
Ireland, not in Western Victoria. I'm only a fourth generation Australian.
----
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
On 3/01/2026 9:27 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 03/01/26 21:19, Daniel70 wrote:I'm only a fourth generation Australian .... Pick ME!! >English/Irish/Croatian. Several First Fleeters .... and then GGFather
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Bellringer .... Nope!!
In case it wasn't clear: I was talking about long-ago ancestors in
Ireland, not in Western Victoria. I'm only a fourth generation Australian. >>
came out here in about 1850 for the Gold Rush.
----
Daniel70
Your Name explained on 1/2/2026 :
On 2026-01-03 06:14:48 +0000, Snidely said:
Your Name presented the following explanation :
On 2026-01-03 00:34:25 +0000, Snidely said:
Friday, solar penguin murmurred ...
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a >>>>>>> priest
or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Not a very good priest or monk if he had descendants!
But not a unique failing in European history.
/dps
From history, both ancient and current, it seems to be one of the "rules" >>>> of being a priest to screw everybody they can (both literally and
figuratively).
Of course, the scamming clergy simply "confess their sins" on their death >>>> bed and all is suposedly forgiven by their mythical God, so that's why >>>> they just do whatever they want until then ... and that's assuming any of >>>> them actually believe the pile of complete elephant-poo that they spout to
their blinkered congregations in their churches.
:-\
And you, of course, are flawless, and never guilty of either scamming or >>> succumbing to temptation, so you're in an excellent position to posture >>> about other's moral posture.
/dps
I never claimed to be "flawless" ... but neither am I a hypocrite priest who
goes around doing whatever (including ignore most of the so-called "10
Commandments") I want just because I can supposedly "claim forgiveness" fromm
a mythical God on my death bed.
I am sure that your analysis is thorough and shows deep understanding.
/dps--
--
I have always been glad we weren't killed that night. I do not know
any particular reason, but I have always been glad.
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
In case it wasn't clear: I was talking about long-ago ancestors in
Ireland, not in Western Victoria. I'm only a fourth generation
Australian.
In article <10jap2e$156ch$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 3/01/2026 7:53 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:Here, in Australia, there are something like 500 Aboriginal Nations, so
Le 02/01/2026 |a-a 15:37, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png> >>>>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently
about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass >>>> of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and
seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire,
Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For example, >>> the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption of
"motorcar").|e-a :-\
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first
time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a
dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
I'm guessing there are at least that many languages. And as the original
tribes were nomadic, there has probably been a lot of intermingling ....
of people AND languages.
So in Aus, there is English and the Aboribinal languages.
We saw thi is in DW - 4 to Doomsday.
In article <10jau65$16lgu$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 3/01/2026 9:27 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 03/01/26 21:19, Daniel70 wrote:I'm only a fourth generation Australian .... Pick ME!!
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
Bellringer .... Nope!!
In case it wasn't clear: I was talking about long-ago ancestors in
Ireland, not in Western Victoria. I'm only a fourth generation Australian. >>>
English/Irish/Croatian. Several First Fleeters .... and then GGFather
came out here in about 1850 for the Gold Rush.
What about Janet Feilding?
On 4/01/2026 2:27 am, The Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-PAedophile talker noted
In article <10jap2e$156ch$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 3/01/2026 7:53 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-01-02 17:57:07 +0000, Hibou said:Here, in Australia, there are something like 500 Aboriginal Nations, so
Le 02/01/2026 |a-a 15:37, The Doctor a |a--crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...] We native English speakers are lucky people.
Exactly!
Still how are the Scots doing to preserve Scottish Gaelic?
Badly:
<https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/unnamed-1.png> >>>>>
There's no percentage scale there, but Gaelic speakers are currently >>>>> about 1% of the population - and there's a question about how well
they speak it. No-one in Scotland speaks Gaelic but not English.
It is essentially impossible to preserve a language like Gaelic. If
it's to handle all aspects of modern life, then it must acquire a mass >>>>> of new words, and its nature changes. If one rejects that course and >>>>> seeks to preserve it as is, then it becomes limited and obsolete.
IMHO, it's no use being able to say, "Put some more peat on the fire, >>>>> Donald" in Gaelic, and then having to resort to English to discuss
Morag's doomscrolling on Facebook.
The Maroi language here in New Zealand adds words, but often they're
simply "pigeon-English"-like reworking of the English word. For example, >>>> the Maori word for a car is simply "motoka" (i.e. a corruption of
"motorcar").|e-a :-\
As usual these days, there is all sorts of politicall correctness
stupidity about trying to "save" the Maori language by having street
signs in both languages, ranaming government departments (twice - first >>>> time to put the Maori version first, and again to put it second),
forcing kids to learn Maori in school, etc. The reality is that it's a >>>> dying language for a reason, and even most Maori cannot and have no
interest in speaking it.
I'm guessing there are at least that many languages. And as the original >>> tribes were nomadic, there has probably been a lot of intermingling .... >>> of people AND languages.
So in Aus, there is English and the Aboribinal languages.
We saw thi is in DW - 4 to Doomsday.
And I might guess, Binky, that YOUR reply is in neither "English nor the
Aboribinal languages"(whatever the f*k that is).--
--
Daniel70
On 4/01/2026 2:32 am, The Doctor wrote:^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
In article <10jau65$16lgu$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 3/01/2026 9:27 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 03/01/26 21:19, Daniel70 wrote:I'm only a fourth generation Australian .... Pick ME!!
On 3/01/2026 8:49 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
Monk ... not so much. Priest ... possibly, Western Victoria, perhaps! >>>>> Bellringer .... Nope!!
(Why does your surname, 'Moylan', ring a bell with me each time I see >>>>>>> it??)
I have some grounds for suspecting that one of my ancestors was a priest >>>>>> or a monk. So possibly he could have been a bellringer.
In case it wasn't clear: I was talking about long-ago ancestors in
Ireland, not in Western Victoria. I'm only a fourth generation Australian. >>>>
English/Irish/Croatian. Several First Fleeters .... and then GGFather
came out here in about 1850 for the Gold Rush.
What about Janet Feilding?
What about Her, Binky?? Do you remember seeing her on your plane from
Britain to Canada, Binky??^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
----
Daniel70
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