On 5.12.25 15:09, Mike McMillan wrote:
Steveski <steve@invalid.com> wrote:
He's as self-centred as a gyroscope.
And blocking other stuff.
Is he in a bit of a spin?
As I have said in another universe George is not an Archer, should not
be the centre of attention or indeed his own universe and in the world
of Ambridge should not be given a second thought.
In addition his parents, particularly his mother, have failed to teach
him right from wrong and only the sainted Nick who gave him a long
overdue slap, ever gave him any indication of the difference between
right and wrong. Nick was right, the rest wrong.
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 5.12.25 15:09, Mike McMillan wrote:
Steveski <steve@invalid.com> wrote:
He's as self-centred as a gyroscope.
And blocking other stuff.
Is he in a bit of a spin?
As I have said in another universe George is not an Archer, should not
be the centre of attention or indeed his own universe and in the world
of Ambridge should not be given a second thought.
In addition his parents, particularly his mother, have failed to teach
him right from wrong and only the sainted Nick who gave him a long
overdue slap, ever gave him any indication of the difference between
right and wrong. Nick was right, the rest wrong.
HerCOs a Grundy, and a Horrobin (the male side) : he doesnrCOt have a leg to stand on. HerCOs got the limelight because of the Alice trouble. What our ears heard (or thought we heard), IrCOm still not 100% sure was a correct interpretation.
Did he stop Alice from killing herself and him, never mind the others, as
she was on the booze or not? Maybe werCOll never know.
1) He assumes control of Alice's car, rightly considering her unfit to
drive (GOOD)
2) He does this without seeking her consent or cheking if she intended
to drive (there is evidence that she was planning to sleep it off in the car) (BAD)
3) Because he doesn't have consent he is driving while uninsured
(possible TWOC) and it is unclear whether he has actually passed his
test (BAD)
4) He attempts to intervene when Alice opens her car door (GOOD) which
is what precipitates the accident.
5) He rescues several villagers from the icy waters of the Am (GOOD)
6) When it becomes apparent the police are attending the accident he deliberately moves Alice into the driver's seat (VERY BAD) and continues
to lie about it until the last moment (BAD, BAD, BAD)
It's quite possibly the most mature bit of plotting The Archers has ever done.
There is an intriguing moral ambiguity about George's actions that night.
1) He assumes control of Alice's car, rightly considering her unfit to
drive (GOOD)
2) He does this without seeking her consent or cheking if she intended
to drive (there is evidence that she was planning to sleep it off in the
car) (BAD)
3) Because he doesn't have consent he is driving while uninsured
(possible TWOC) and it is unclear whether he has actually passed his
test (BAD)
4) He attempts to intervene when Alice opens her car door (GOOD) which
is what precipitates the accident.
5) He rescues several villagers from the icy waters of the Am (GOOD)
6) When it becomes apparent the police are attending the accident he deliberately moves Alice into the driver's seat (VERY BAD) and continues
to lie about it until the last moment (BAD, BAD, BAD)
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 23:51:31 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
On 10.12.25 21:30, john ashby wrote:
1) He assumes control of Alice's car, rightly considering her unfit to
drive (GOOD)
2) He does this without seeking her consent or cheking if she intended
to drive (there is evidence that she was planning to sleep it off in the >>> car) (BAD)
3) Because he doesn't have consent he is driving while uninsured
(possible TWOC) and it is unclear whether he has actually passed his
test (BAD)
4) He attempts to intervene when Alice opens her car door (GOOD) which
is what precipitates the accident.
5) He rescues several villagers from the icy waters of the Am (GOOD)
6) When it becomes apparent the police are attending the accident he
deliberately moves Alice into the driver's seat (VERY BAD) and continues >>> to lie about it until the last moment (BAD, BAD, BAD)
It's quite possibly the most mature bit of plotting The Archers has ever >>> done.
I would contend that George was wrong at step 1 - which points 2 and 3
detail.
If he had never touched the car because he wanted to test drive her
sporty little number the rest could never have happened. So getting his
first decision wrong was far from GOOD. Alice was safe and had planned
her drinking in what to her was a safe space - she might well have been
unfit to drive home in the morning which is a separate point but George
was driven into the course of action to save himself a walk home and a
wish to drive the car.
I agree, and am anyway prejudiced agains him, dislike him and think
his motives are always bad. He's playing everyone now.
On Dec 10, 2025 at 4:30:12 PM EST, "john ashby" <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is an intriguing moral ambiguity about George's actions that night.
1) He assumes control of Alice's car, rightly considering her unfit to
drive (GOOD)
2) He does this without seeking her consent or cheking if she intended
to drive (there is evidence that she was planning to sleep it off in the
car) (BAD)
3) Because he doesn't have consent he is driving while uninsured
(possible TWOC) and it is unclear whether he has actually passed his
test (BAD)
4) He attempts to intervene when Alice opens her car door (GOOD) which
is what precipitates the accident.
5) He rescues several villagers from the icy waters of the Am (GOOD)
6) When it becomes apparent the police are attending the accident he
deliberately moves Alice into the driver's seat (VERY BAD) and continues
to lie about it until the last moment (BAD, BAD, BAD)
I've been thinking about this a lot recently, and my take is that the narrative from some other characters as well as some commentators here fails to appreciate the nuance.
If Sid were here, he'd say something wise and kind and generous and thoughtful
and he would express it beautifully. I really miss him.
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