• Am I losing the plot?

    From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 29 10:36:47 2025
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    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work. He has contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes. Plus
    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull. She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    George claims he cannot drive a tractor. I accept he cannot on the road
    - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving.
    Most farms are pretty contiguous.

    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality?

    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good
    reason to overlook George's misdemeanour. So why is not knocking the
    door down? I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the
    idiots took over the asylum.
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  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 29 12:02:47 2025
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    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:36:47 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    I disagree.

    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work. He has >contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes. Plus
    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to >actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Being a lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress
    amongst their former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know
    a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Justin
    - however obnoxious I may find him anyway - can do what he wants.



    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull. She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    You don't need solid grounds, just reasonable grounds and being a
    lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress amongst the
    former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Jolene is right to
    think of the health and welfare of her customers and staff.


    George claims he cannot drive a tractor. I accept he cannot on the road
    - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving.
    Most farms are pretty contiguous.

    George can't even drive a boodily motor car without plunging it into
    the Am: what makes makes you think he can drive a tractor without
    doing a John Archer?


    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality?

    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good >reason to overlook George's misdemeanour. So why is not knocking the
    door down? I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the >idiots took over the asylum.

    Is Greg Turner's shed still standing? Is the shotgun still inside?

    Nick
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 29 13:25:48 2025
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    On 2025/10/29 12:2:47, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:36:47 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    I disagree.

    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work. He has
    contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes. Plus

    That may be the letter of the law, but a small business like Emma's has
    to lie back and let customers walk all over them in American Express
    manner: Justin is likely a large customer for her business, and also
    likely to be able to "diss" her to many cronies who might also hire her.
    Yes, she could insist - but, would never get work from him again (which
    she could possibly just about survive) and have difficulty getting it
    from anyone else in the area (which she probably couldn't).

    [Do we have any idea what competition she has - other tree management contractors in the area? I don't think we have ever heard.]

    Basically, if she ever wants further contracts, she can't rub Justin up
    the wrong way. Sad, but true.

    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to
    actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Again, he can probably Make Things Difficult. If there is a contract for
    the rewilding, I don't know how long it is. Admittedly, if he's severing
    all his ties with BL as has been suggested as possible, then he has no
    legal power (and possibly even some others on the board might keep R&K
    on to spite him, though it did seem that only he was in favour of
    rewilding at all [though we suspect for other than ecological reasons]).>
    Being a lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress
    amongst their former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know
    a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Justin
    - however obnoxious I may find him anyway - can do what he wants.

    In practice, he can do a lot more than he can legally.



    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull. She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    Do any grounds at all have to be shown? I thought, despite the "public"
    in the name, a landlord could ban whoever s/he likes, without having to
    show any reason at all. BIMBAM. If she _does_ have to show grounds,
    potential loss of custom from regulars _might_ be a justification.>
    You don't need solid grounds, just reasonable grounds and being a
    lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress amongst the
    former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Jolene is right to
    think of the health and welfare of her customers and staff.

    Yes.>>
    George claims he cannot drive a tractor. I accept he cannot on the road
    - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving.
    Most farms are pretty contiguous.

    Are unlicenced drivers allowed to drive one _across_ a road though? I
    suspect even if a farm is contiguous, it might have a (public) road
    between parts of it. (I don't know what's allowed here.)


    George can't even drive a boodily motor car without plunging it into
    the Am: what makes makes you think he can drive a tractor without
    doing a John Archer?

    I don't think he'd do that - I don't think they'd have any that don't at
    least have a cab structure; John was driving a vintage (veteran?)
    Fergie. (Whether G _should_ drive a tractor, I don't know.)


    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality?

    The law and what society allows are often at variance - in both directions.


    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good
    reason to overlook George's misdemeanour. So why is not knocking the
    door down? I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the
    idiots took over the asylum.

    There are Such Questions, certainly!>
    Is Greg Turner's shed still standing? Is the shotgun still inside?


    Nick
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  • From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 29 14:22:09 2025
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    On 29.10.25 12:02, Nick Odell wrote:
    Is Greg Turner's shed still standing?

    No.

    Biriani had it removed after the incident to remove the mental reminder.
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  • From Kosmo@krw@whitnet.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 29 15:00:39 2025
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    On 29.10.25 12:02, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:36:47 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    I disagree.

    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work. He has
    contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes. Plus
    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to
    actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Being a lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress
    amongst their former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know
    a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Justin
    - however obnoxious I may find him anyway - can do what he wants.



    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull. She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    You don't need solid grounds, just reasonable grounds and being a
    lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress amongst the
    former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Jolene is right to
    think of the health and welfare of her customers and staff.


    George claims he cannot drive a tractor. I accept he cannot on the road
    - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving.
    Most farms are pretty contiguous.

    George can't even drive a boodily motor car without plunging it into
    the Am: what makes makes you think he can drive a tractor without
    doing a John Archer?


    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality? >>
    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good
    reason to overlook George's misdemeanour. So why is not knocking the
    door down? I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the
    idiots took over the asylum.

    Is Greg Turner's shed still standing? Is the shotgun still inside?

    Nick

    And indeed I cannot deny that he is a lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress. More importantly I also lack the comprehension
    of Emma's unending support for him. However notwithstanding his social ineptitude and constant manipulation he must have learned something
    whilst locked up and I had hoped that aspect might have influenced him. However I still believe that Justin cannot in anyway determine who works
    on his land - he is being a nasty bully - and Jolene does need a
    concrete reason, relating to his behaviour in the Bull before she can
    ban him. I still think given Pat's past support an early visit to Bodge
    Farm might have saved a lot of angst and the dramatics of which even
    Lilian has had enough.
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    https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
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  • From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.media.radio.archers on Wed Oct 29 16:14:57 2025
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    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 15:00:39 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    On 29.10.25 12:02, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:36:47 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    I disagree.

    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work. He has >>> contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes. Plus
    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to >>> actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Being a lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress
    amongst their former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know
    a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Justin
    - however obnoxious I may find him anyway - can do what he wants.



    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull. She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    You don't need solid grounds, just reasonable grounds and being a
    lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress amongst the
    former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know a protected
    characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Jolene is right to
    think of the health and welfare of her customers and staff.


    George claims he cannot drive a tractor. I accept he cannot on the road >>> - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving. >>> Most farms are pretty contiguous.

    George can't even drive a boodily motor car without plunging it into
    the Am: what makes makes you think he can drive a tractor without
    doing a John Archer?


    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality? >>>
    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good
    reason to overlook George's misdemeanour. So why is not knocking the
    door down? I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the
    idiots took over the asylum.

    Is Greg Turner's shed still standing? Is the shotgun still inside?

    Nick

    And indeed I cannot deny that he is a lying, cheating scumbag who caused >unimaginable distress. More importantly I also lack the comprehension
    of Emma's unending support for him. However notwithstanding his social >ineptitude and constant manipulation he must have learned something
    whilst locked up and I had hoped that aspect might have influenced him. >However I still believe that Justin cannot in anyway determine who works
    on his land - he is being a nasty bully - and Jolene does need a
    concrete reason, relating to his behaviour in the Bull before she can
    ban him. I still think given Pat's past support an early visit to Bodge >Farm might have saved a lot of angst and the dramatics of which even
    Lilian has had enough.

    Notwithstanding your notwithstanding, it's a point I've made before:
    George and his ilk may or may not have paid for the crimes they have
    been found guilty of but what they don't seem to get is that they have
    caused an irretrievable breakdown of the relationships they previously cherished and that can't be repaired by breezily coming back and
    trying to carry on as before. Irretrievable - may I spell that out for
    anybody who isn't quite clear?

    I am completely on the side of those who want no more to do with
    George and if he had a shred of decency he would pack himself off and
    start anew.

    Maybe people will see things differently in twenty years or so. Or
    maybe not. Probably not. In the meantime, stop making life
    uncomfortable and difficult for the people around you. If you really
    cared about them, you'd p!ss off now.

    Nick
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  • From Kate B@elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk to uk.media.radio.archers on Thu Oct 30 11:15:22 2025
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    On 29/10/2025 16:14, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 15:00:39 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    On 29.10.25 12:02, Nick Odell wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:36:47 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

    I disagree.

    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work. He has >>>> contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes. Plus
    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to >>>> actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Being a lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress
    amongst their former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know
    a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Justin
    - however obnoxious I may find him anyway - can do what he wants.



    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull. She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    You don't need solid grounds, just reasonable grounds and being a
    lying, cheating scumbag who caused unimaginable distress amongst the
    former friends and aquaintances is not, as far as I know a protected
    characteristic under the Equalities Act and I think Jolene is right to
    think of the health and welfare of her customers and staff.


    George claims he cannot drive a tractor. I accept he cannot on the road >>>> - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving. >>>> Most farms are pretty contiguous.

    George can't even drive a boodily motor car without plunging it into
    the Am: what makes makes you think he can drive a tractor without
    doing a John Archer?


    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality? >>>>
    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good >>>> reason to overlook George's misdemeanour. So why is not knocking the
    door down? I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the >>>> idiots took over the asylum.

    Is Greg Turner's shed still standing? Is the shotgun still inside?

    Nick

    And indeed I cannot deny that he is a lying, cheating scumbag who caused
    unimaginable distress. More importantly I also lack the comprehension
    of Emma's unending support for him. However notwithstanding his social
    ineptitude and constant manipulation he must have learned something
    whilst locked up and I had hoped that aspect might have influenced him.
    However I still believe that Justin cannot in anyway determine who works
    on his land - he is being a nasty bully - and Jolene does need a
    concrete reason, relating to his behaviour in the Bull before she can
    ban him. I still think given Pat's past support an early visit to Bodge
    Farm might have saved a lot of angst and the dramatics of which even
    Lilian has had enough.

    Notwithstanding your notwithstanding, it's a point I've made before:
    George and his ilk may or may not have paid for the crimes they have
    been found guilty of but what they don't seem to get is that they have
    caused an irretrievable breakdown of the relationships they previously cherished and that can't be repaired by breezily coming back and
    trying to carry on as before. Irretrievable - may I spell that out for anybody who isn't quite clear?

    I am completely on the side of those who want no more to do with
    George and if he had a shred of decency he would pack himself off and
    start anew.

    Maybe people will see things differently in twenty years or so. Or
    maybe not. Probably not. In the meantime, stop making life
    uncomfortable and difficult for the people around you. If you really
    cared about them, you'd p!ss off now.



    I agree with Nick.

    Also, if Jolene needs a concrete reason, all she needs to do is realise
    just how traumatised Fallon still is - what did she say not so long ago?
    'What does it take to get over it?' - she's been incredibly strong and
    fair minded and still the mere presence of George is enough to trigger
    her. I can't understand why Jolene was so weak about banning George, and though it's unfashionable, I am entirely Team Lilian on this.
    --
    Kate B
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  • From carolet@carolet.umrat@gmail.com to uk.media.radio.archers on Sun Nov 2 00:51:37 2025
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    On 29/10/2025 10:36, Kosmo wrote:
    Justin has absolutely no right to demand that George stops work.-a He has contracted Emma to do it and she may employ whom she wishes.-a Plus
    Justin has NO responsibility for rewilding as that is down to Rex and
    Kirsty - he is at best an advisor and I doubt that he is legally able to actually engage in a contract for the project.

    Jolene has no grounds to bar George from the Bull.-a She cannot
    demonstrate any solid grounds for such barring.

    George claims he cannot drive a tractor.-a I accept he cannot on the road
    - but once on a farm the absence of a licence does not stop him driving.
    -aMost farms are pretty contiguous.

    Why are the writers creating all this drama which is at odds with reality?

    Pat''n'Tony at Bridge Farm have lost superman Adam and need a pair of
    hands like yesterday and have the memory of Helen's accident as a good reason to overlook George's misdemeanour.-a So why is not knocking the
    door down?-a I am sorry but sometimes you have to wonder how and why the idiots took over the asylum.



    In the RT Review for the coming week, there is a hint that Henry might
    have had the same thought about Bridge Farm's staff shortage.
    --
    CaroleT

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