I agree that there is something nasty about George, however I also feel
that he has been unable to manage how he feels for a very long time and needed intervention way, way earlier.
On 2.1.26 12:29, Jane Vernon wrote:
I agree that there is something nasty about George, however I also
feel that he has been unable to manage how he feels for a very long
time and needed intervention way, way earlier.
Which underlines my point that if he cannot control his temper he would
not have have managed 12 months inside without losing it.-a So the
character continuity is just not there.
On 30/12/2025 10:18, Kosmo wrote:
On 30.12.25 09:50, Jane Vernon wrote:I don't find George's behaviour out of character. In prison he had the safety of the system plus the knowledge of being 'protected' by one of
I know it will just be me, but the whole George storyline is
depressing me.-a It's probably because in my working life I saw
youngsters who were misunderstood and needed more help but because of
their behaviour weren't getting it. As a teacher, I was mostly
completely helpless. That's what's difficult to hear, when you know
what's needed but can't provide it.
The scriptwriters are doing their best I think.-a The other people
involved with George are behaving as many people would and do.-a That's >>> what's depressing.-a (What will happen when Ed hears of the latest row? >>> Will he stick up for George?)
I still listen faithfully and haven't missed an episode since probably
about 1980, though I listened on and off since I was a child of ten in
1964.-a But this storyline is so difficult to hear.
Poor George.
I find the story objectionable for a number of reasons.
1.-a He is not an Archer.-a Prime storylines need to revolve around the
family.-a Too many episodes do not feature an Archer and even when they
do (tractor run) it is tangentially.
2.-a It is completely unrealistic in character development.-a He manages
nearly a year in prison without losing his temper.-a He emerges and has a >> supportive family and a fiancee and suddenly starts hitting relations.
If he was really an angry git then there would have been fisticuffs in
prison.
3.-a I do not believe that Ed would have lied over the black eye (at
least to Emma) - as a one off he might have accepted the fall down the
stairs although I think Ed would have wanted to pursue it with Emma sooner. >>
4.-a We know Neil and Eddie were reconciled but (presumably due to limit
on character numbers) have not heard them discuss George.-a More
importantly any soap is driven by strong women - so where are Clarrie
and Susan?-a Susan never had that apology from Amber and I feel Clarrie / >> Amber / Susan should have been sat in a room to talk about it.
5.-a Emma has completely indulged and spoilt the child.-a Only Nick saw
him for what he was - was that why she died?
6.-a We are promised contemporary drama in a rural setting.-a A wrong 'un >> adjusting to life after prison is not a rural story and it is hardly
contemporary as it has been the case for centuries.
Meanwhile what are all the Archers doing?-a Why did Pat not grasp the
nettle of Tony and get George work once he returned?-a Bridge Farm are
two men down - Tony is far too old to be milking the Montbelliards for
all the time since Johnny left and they have apparently coped since Adam
downed tools.-a Yet Tony still has time to decorate the Fergie (which I
am convinced he did not replace after selling it, investing in his MG
Midget instead).
So frankly yes I listen - but the plot holes are so immense I wonder if
a black hole exists in Birmingham and is sucking all the good stuff into
another universe.
The recent "bubble" week written by Keri was so obviously poor and
lacking in continuity it really was not worth 73 minutes.
the other inmates. George has suffered from insufficient boundaries all
his life.
I think it's all just that everyone, especially George, underestimated
how hard it is to re-adjust after prison. Susan's experiences were different. It's not surprising that the people who were affected by the events of the crash are suffering trauma from it all still.
I find it absolutely believeable that Ed would try to give George
chances, just as Oliver did for him.
On 30/12/2025 15:40, BrritSki wrote:
On 30/12/2025 10:18, Kosmo wrote:
On 30.12.25 09:50, Jane Vernon wrote:Up to a point Lord Copper.
I know it will just be me, but the whole George storyline is
depressing me.-a It's probably because in my working life I saw
youngsters who were misunderstood and needed more help but because of >>>> their behaviour weren't getting it. As a teacher, I was mostly
completely helpless. That's what's difficult to hear, when you know
what's needed but can't provide it.
The scriptwriters are doing their best I think.-a The other people
involved with George are behaving as many people would and do.
That's what's depressing.-a (What will happen when Ed hears of the
latest row? Will he stick up for George?)
I still listen faithfully and haven't missed an episode since
probably about 1980, though I listened on and off since I was a child >>>> of ten in 1964.-a But this storyline is so difficult to hear.
Poor George.
I find the story objectionable for a number of reasons.
1.-a He is not an Archer.-a Prime storylines need to revolve around the >>> family.-a Too many episodes do not feature an Archer and even when they >>> do (tractor run) it is tangentially.
2.-a It is completely unrealistic in character development.-a He manages >>> nearly a year in prison without losing his temper.-a He emerges and has >>> a supportive family and a fiancee and suddenly starts hitting
relations. If he was really an angry git then there would have been
fisticuffs in prison.
3.-a I do not believe that Ed would have lied over the black eye (at
least to Emma) - as a one off he might have accepted the fall down the
stairs although I think Ed would have wanted to pursue it with Emma
sooner.
4.-a We know Neil and Eddie were reconciled but (presumably due to
limit on character numbers) have not heard them discuss George.-a More
importantly any soap is driven by strong women - so where are Clarrie
and Susan?-a Susan never had that apology from Amber and I feel
Clarrie / Amber / Susan should have been sat in a room to talk about it. >>>
5.-a Emma has completely indulged and spoilt the child.-a Only Nick saw >>> him for what he was - was that why she died?
6.-a We are promised contemporary drama in a rural setting.-a A wrong
'un adjusting to life after prison is not a rural story and it is
hardly contemporary as it has been the case for centuries.
Meanwhile what are all the Archers doing?-a Why did Pat not grasp the
nettle of Tony and get George work once he returned?-a Bridge Farm are
two men down - Tony is far too old to be milking the Montbelliards for
all the time since Johnny left and they have apparently coped since
Adam downed tools.-a Yet Tony still has time to decorate the Fergie
(which I am convinced he did not replace after selling it, investing
in his MG Midget instead).
So frankly yes I listen - but the plot holes are so immense I wonder
if a black hole exists in Birmingham and is sucking all the good stuff
into another universe.
The recent "bubble" week written by Keri was so obviously poor and
lacking in continuity it really was not worth 73 minutes.
I don't really care too much about whether Archers are in it or not.
We don't really know whether he controlled his temper in chokey or not -
much easier to control if you know the consequences will be severe which
they would not be with Ed.
Ed would not have lied if asked outright, but I can believe him not
coming out with it at first to make it easier. I think he has the most
sympathy with George because of what happened to him, and I don't think
the conversation would have ended with G. being kicked out if Ed was there. >>
OTOH I do think there is something fundamentally nasty about G. He's had
some rough breaks and made some bad choices and maybe could have
overcome them in different circs but underneath it all he's a Grundy and
an 'orrobin.
I agree with most of the rest - there are huge holes in plots and huge
suspensions of disbelief required, like why a seemingly intelligent if
somewhat woooly-headed girl like Amber would have been attracted in the
1st place.
I agree that there is something nasty about George, however I also feel
that he has been unable to manage how he feels for a very long time and needed intervention way, way earlier.
now itrCOs a possible cast of 70.
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