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JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |"That sounds like a problem at his secondary school, not at the [. . .]|
|[. . .] University college in question." | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Sorry, that would be problems at a secondary school and a
university. A secondary school allegedly made a false prediction,
thereby adversely affecting a pupil's career for no good reason. A
university allegedly dishonours actual empirical results, thereby
adversely affecting a pupil's career for no good reason, on account of
a perversity which is worse than merely a mistaken prediction.

There is no shame in a false prediction. There is shame in a
university ignoring what it knows to be true.

If a weather forecaster would predict that there will be Sunny
weather, then we might not be surprised that when a professor will
wake up that he will put on shorts; a t-shirt; and flip-flops. If,
when he is one minute into a stroll out of his house, he notices that
in reality it is snowing heavily with gale-force winds, then we would
have to doubt the reality of what he professes in lectures and
publications if he insists on not changing clothes.

Scientific fraudsters often publish false predictions or fake
measurements. So-called universities which refuse to correct are
dangerously perverse. Cf. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/Evil_which_is_so-called_science/
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JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] (though | |perhaps you have more information, not used in the post)." | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Dear Mister Nugent,

Indeed I do.

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"The college wanted a certain assessment from the school and regarded its| |content" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

According to this story, this university made this rejection decision
entirely on the basis of this inaccurate false prediction . . .

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|" and result as determinative." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

. . . instead of the excellent examinations results that he actually
got that this university said would result in it accepting him.

|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|" The school declined to provide an | |assessment which contained the information expected by the college." | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Whereas this university supposedly declines to honour actual results
from actual examinations which it promised would result in it
accepting him. This rejection would not be fair.

|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .] |
| |
|I'm sure you must mean "inaccurate" rather than "false". The two words | |have different meanings." | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

These examinations results are better than what this secondary school predicted. Therefore this prediction is false. These results are so
excellent that he did get excellent enough results to be accepted by
this elite university. I know so because he did get accepted into a
different university which is difficult to get into to, because it
demands excessively high examinations results.
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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"The problem with the current university admissions system is that students | |apply, and get offered places, before their A-level results." | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

This is certainly a problem, but "the current university admissions
system" does not exist - different universities use different
admissions systems, as I believe they should because good applicants
fail in one system but pass in a different system.

Not all systems are good at all. E.g. I applied to clowns for
postgraduate positions who asked me for A-levels! One of them - i.e. a so-called university - even completely ignored my degrees!

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Hence | |predictions from teachers is all the universities have to go on." | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Not always so, but when so examinations are worthless.

In the specific alleged concrete case of a brother of a lady with whom
I used to study, a university made an agreement on actual results; it
has actual results in time; but it dishonours them while honouring a
false prediction that he would underperform (despite this
underprediction being in a letter confirming that he can get the
agreed-upon results).

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Previously | |it was possible to see their marks achieved in A-level modules" | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Yikes! Persons are even stupider than I used to believe. Changes are inevitable. Progress is not inevitable.

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"There is obviously some leeway in predictions against reality - if the | |university believes a student is better than the prediction then it's | |possible to give them a stiff offer and see if they meet it." | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

That does not happen in this post's concrete example.

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"The other side of the problem that applicants also don't see is that there | |is capacity limit at the institution side: there may be N seats in the | |lecture theatre, student rooms, sets of lab equipment, supervisors for | |projects, etc, which can't practically be stretched. They have to make | |offers based on their expectation of takeup. They might know that they | |usually make xN offers in order to get N taking up their place, where x is | |some coefficient which depends on how likely students are to make their | |grades and how many might go to an alternative institution - the exact | |factor is typically honed out of years of experience. | | | |But if they make too many wildcard offers where the likelihood of the | |student achieving them could swing wildly (maybe all of them make it, or | |none of them do), there's an elevated risk they end up with a cohort which | |is massively smaller than capacity or worse significantly over capacity, and| |both of those are problematic. | | | |It's a numbers game, from both sides. | | | |Theo" | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Such a problem does not arise via the Central-Applications Office
(CAO) of the putative Republic of Ireland, where all this country's
so-called universities accept undergraduates based on their actual
results compared to courses' demanded thresholds for results. Any such
course's demanded threshold for results is at the first stage a
function of the capacity. If at the first stage a course's capacity is
not exhausted, and if not all applicants therefor are accepted, then
this course's second stage's threshold is less high and a subset of
the formerly rejected applicants become accepted. This continues for
as many stages as necessary to accept all applicants (but of course,
an applicant who fails all exams does not end up being accepted).
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On 16/02/2026 07:11 pm, Nicholas Collin Paul de Glouce++ter wrote:

JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] (though | |perhaps you have more information, not used in the post)." | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Dear Mister Nugent,

Indeed I do.

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"The college wanted a certain assessment from the school and regarded its| |content" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

According to this story, this university made this rejection decision entirely on the basis of this inaccurate false prediction . . .

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------| |" and result as determinative." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

. . . instead of the excellent examinations results that he actually
got that this university said would result in it accepting him.

|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|" The school declined to provide an | |assessment which contained the information expected by the college." | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Whereas this university supposedly declines to honour actual results
from actual examinations which it promised would result in it
accepting him. This rejection would not be fair.

|------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] |
| | |I'm sure you must mean "inaccurate" rather than "false". The two words | |have different meanings." | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

These examinations results are better than what this secondary school predicted. Therefore this prediction is false. These results are so
excellent that he did get excellent enough results to be accepted by
this elite university. I know so because he did get accepted into a
different university which is difficult to get into to, because it
demands excessively high examinations results.
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

There is something missing somewhere.

Why would any university withdraw an offer of a place to a student who
had fared better in his exams than he was predicted (by his school) to achieve?

That seems to be what is being suggested,



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On 17/02/2026 12:10, JNugent wrote:

There is something missing somewhere.
Why would any university withdraw an offer of a place to a student
who had fared better in his exams than he was predicted (by his
school) to achieve?

My suspicion is that the offer was never actually made, and
the PP is rather referring to a printed statement that Trinity Hall
makes offers at grades so-and-so. Unless things have changed a lot
more than I know about since I was an admissions tutor, an offer once
made will not be withdrawn in any normal circumstances. Oxbridge gets
many more applications from really strong students to almost all their
courses than they have room for, so the admissions process is mostly
looking for reasons to reject applicants -- a poor reference, a low
prediction, an unconvincing interview, an illiterate personal
statement, .... Good, even stellar, results after that are simply
too late.

The consolation for an AT who has to reject hundreds of really excellent applicants -- which I hated doing -- is that Nottingham's
[for eg] rejects will get good offers from second-division courses
and will very possibly get better degrees there than they would have
from us. Trinity Hall will console themselves that their rejects
will very likely thrive at Nottingham. Around half the intake on
"my" course were Oxbridge rejects, and they did extremely well on
average. I expect the same to be true at Bristol, Durham, and the
other first-division universities.
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Balakirev

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On 17/02/2026 05:19 pm, Andy Walker wrote:

On 17/02/2026 12:10, JNugent wrote:

There is something missing somewhere.
Why would any university withdraw an offer of a place to a student
who had fared better in his exams than he was predicted (by his
school) to achieve?

-a-a-a-aMy suspicion is that the offer was never actually made, and
the PP is rather referring to a printed statement that Trinity Hall
makes offers at grades so-and-so.-a Unless things have changed a lot
more than I know about since I was an admissions tutor, an offer once
made will not be withdrawn in any normal circumstances.-a Oxbridge gets
many more applications from really strong students to almost all their courses than they have room for, so the admissions process is mostly
looking for reasons to reject applicants -- a poor reference, a low prediction, an unconvincing interview, an illiterate personal
statement, ....-a Good, even stellar, results after that are simply
too late.

That sounds more like it.

-a-a-a-aThe consolation for an AT who has to reject hundreds of really excellent applicants -- which I hated doing -- is that Nottingham's
[for eg] rejects will get good offers from second-division courses
and will very possibly get better degrees there than they would have
from us.-a Trinity Hall will console themselves that their rejects
will very likely thrive at Nottingham.-a Around half the intake on
"my" course were Oxbridge rejects, and they did extremely well on
average.-a I expect the same to be true at Bristol, Durham, and the
other first-division universities.

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JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Why would any university withdraw an offer of a place to a student who |
|had fared better in his exams than he was predicted (by his school) to | |achieve?" | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Dear Mister Nugent,

Maybe because it is an unfair perverse fake university? Many such fake universities exist.

|------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"That seems to be what is being suggested," | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I do attempt to explicitly report such a story.
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On 17/02/2026 07:33 pm, Nicholas Collin Paul de Glouce++ter wrote:

JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

|------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Why would any university withdraw an offer of a place to a student who | |had fared better in his exams than he was predicted (by his school) to | |achieve?" | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Dear Mister Nugent,

Maybe because it is an unfair perverse fake university? Many such fake universities exist.

|------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"That seems to be what is being suggested," | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I do attempt to explicitly report such a story.
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

So is this a case of a fake university seeking to rake off tuition fees
(or similar)?

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JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"So is this a case of a fake university seeking to rake off tuition fees|
|(or similar)?" | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Does even one university not do so? (I used to be employed at 3
universities and I have a degree from more.)
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On 18/02/2026 04:18 pm, Nicholas Collin Paul de Glouce++ter wrote:

JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"So is this a case of a fake university seeking to rake off tuition fees| |(or similar)?" | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Does even one university not do so?

How should I know?

(I used to be employed at 3
universities and I have a degree from more.)
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You started the thread with a complaint against a university which had withdrawn an offer of a place.

Is it about a genuine university or something else?

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JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"You started the thread with a complaint against a university which had| |withdrawn an offer of a place." | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Did I? I had started this thread via
<10moks3$t8eq$1@paganini.bofh.team>
on
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2026 01:58:34 -0000
about a petition which is not about a withdrawn offer. I have
introduced a report about an allegedly withdrawn alleged offer for the
1st time later in this thread, specifically in
Message-ID: <10mt6ql$1anvd$1@paganini.bofh.team>
on
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2026 19:29:31 -0000
which is either about the purported university of this petition, or
about a different purported university. Therefore <10mt6ql$1anvd$1@paganini.bofh.team>
names 2 purported universities whereas
<10moks3$t8eq$1@paganini.bofh.team>
does not name 2 purported universities.

I was told this allegation more than twenty-two years ago, so I do not
remember which university of these two universities is this alleged
withdrawer.

|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"Is it about a genuine university or something else?" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

It is certainly plausible that it (and any university) is a fake
university, given points concerning this purported university in the
SciFraud LISTSERV (raised by Albert C. Higgins in
Subject: Science and Tobacco
on
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:35:07 -0400
about a grant from BAT Industries (owner of British American Tobacco)
or raised by John Alexander Hewitt many times e.g. in
Subject: Re: brief bios
on
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:17:54 +0000
).

I do not focus on this university, but I do determine that many
nominal universities are not real universities.

As concerning this specific purported university, I spent (too many)
minutes tonight glancing at Google Scholar to respond to this
question, so yielding a publication (attributed to this purported
university) of apparently similarly poor quality to many papers which
I crticise in a paper, such that I easily am thinking that it is not a
real university. N.B. I did not properly fully read any of the
publications that Google Scholar reported to me tonight. In other
words I am not prepared to guarantee from this Google-Scholar small
adventure that it really is not a university. I did not check whether
this purported university is given as an address in any of the
literally hundreds of bogus publications by fake universities which I
had researched and published against.

I do not know if even one genuine university exists or if even one
university does not "seek[. . .] to rake off tuition fees (or
similar)". I heard of hundreds of universities which I do not have
time to investigate. Maybe such a university is amongst them. Maybe
not. I do not still believe in a genuine university after discovering
pervasive frauds by fake universities, after Albert C. Higgins and
John Alexander Hewitt and other subscribers of the SciFraud LISTSERV
and other similar scientists uncovered much worse scientific frauds by
fake universities in many very different fields. Cf. inter alia
"Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:44:21 -0400
Reply-To: Discussion of Fraud in Science <SCIFRAUD@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU> Sender: Discussion of Fraud in Science <SCIFRAUD@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From: Al Higgins <ach13@louise.csbs.albany.edu>
Organization: Sociology Department UAlbany
Subject: Not Another Review
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Not Another Review!

I've just finished R. C. Lewontin, Biology as Ideology: The
Doctrine of DNA. (New York: HarperPerennial, 1992.) It's a
wonderful read and I thought of writing yet another review. But
then came a better idea: let Lewontin speak for himself and let
him tell of some of the gamesmanship involved in the Human Genome
Project.

[. . .]

Here's the Agassiz Chair in Zoology at Harvard, as it were,
"blowing the whistle" on some of his colleagues in biology. And
it makes delightful reading. The pages quoted below are pages 48
through 57.

+++++++++++

[. . .]

[. . .]
[. . .] A purely
commercial interest has so successfully clothed itself
in the claims of pure science that those claims are now
taught as scientific gospel in the university schools
of agriculture. Successive generations of agricultural
research workers, even those who work in public
institutions, believe that hybrids are intrinsically
superior even though the experimental results that
contradict this have been published in well-known
journals for more than 30 years. Once again, what
appears to us in the mystical guise of pure science and
objective knowledge about nature turns out, underneath
to be political, economic and social ideology."
says HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/Evil_which_is_so-called_science/30-year-old_papers_which_are_true_are_ignored_by_supposed_lecturers_who_lecture_baloney.txt

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