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    From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Jan 11 15:06:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit has
    been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

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  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Jan 12 10:28:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 11/01/2026 15:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit has been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

    Perhaps. It just removes one possibility of saving money.

    A couple of other comments from the bailii report, which have nothing to
    do with the ruling.

    Firstly, are these reports not spell-checked? 17.4 refers to "the Fourth condition". However, (27?) vi and 28 misspell it as "Fourt". It is
    correctly spelt in (47?) iv, 48, and 49.

    Secondly, 7 notes "The commentary at White Book Vol. 2, para. 13-10 is inciteful:". Inciteful? Is this a misinterpreted homonym for
    "insightful"? There's a world on difference between their meanings.

    These seem careless errors to me. Are there any less obvious ones? I see
    that this is referred to as "HTML VERSION OF APPROVED JUDGMENT ". I
    wonder if the original has these errors.
    --
    Jeff

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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Jan 12 16:53:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:28:28 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 11/01/2026 15:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit
    has been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue
    litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

    Perhaps. It just removes one possibility of saving money.

    A couple of other comments from the bailii report, which have nothing to
    do with the ruling.

    Firstly, are these reports not spell-checked? 17.4 refers to "the Fourth condition". However, (27?) vi and 28 misspell it as "Fourt". It is
    correctly spelt in (47?) iv, 48, and 49.

    Secondly, 7 notes "The commentary at White Book Vol. 2, para. 13-10 is inciteful:". Inciteful? Is this a misinterpreted homonym for
    "insightful"? There's a world on difference between their meanings.

    These seem careless errors to me. Are there any less obvious ones? I see
    that this is referred to as "HTML VERSION OF APPROVED JUDGMENT ". I
    wonder if the original has these errors.

    I have a rule - which has never been wrong so far - that finding one
    error in something means the will always be another.

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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Jan 12 20:52:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 12/01/2026 16:53, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:28:28 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 11/01/2026 15:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit
    has been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue
    litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

    Perhaps. It just removes one possibility of saving money.

    A couple of other comments from the bailii report, which have nothing to
    do with the ruling.

    Firstly, are these reports not spell-checked? 17.4 refers to "the Fourth
    condition". However, (27?) vi and 28 misspell it as "Fourt". It is
    correctly spelt in (47?) iv, 48, and 49.

    Secondly, 7 notes "The commentary at White Book Vol. 2, para. 13-10 is
    inciteful:". Inciteful? Is this a misinterpreted homonym for
    "insightful"? There's a world on difference between their meanings.

    These seem careless errors to me. Are there any less obvious ones? I see
    that this is referred to as "HTML VERSION OF APPROVED JUDGMENT ". I
    wonder if the original has these errors.

    I have a rule - which has never been wrong so far - that finding one
    error in something means the will always be another.


    That error was on purpose, right? In which case - hahaha.

    It is an ongoing crisis in the legal profession that legal executives
    and paralegals who until very recently have conducted litigation, might
    now be deemed unable to do so and might face redundancy or a reduction
    in their workload with associated reduction in pay and marketability.

    There needs to be some clarification. Otherwise clients may find
    themselves paying higher legal fees. I've met some legal executives who
    were far better lawyers than the solicitors who were theoretically
    supervising them.

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Mon Jan 12 21:20:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 12 Jan 2026 at 20:52:09 GMT, "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 12/01/2026 16:53, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:28:28 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 11/01/2026 15:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit
    has been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue
    litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

    Perhaps. It just removes one possibility of saving money.

    A couple of other comments from the bailii report, which have nothing to >>> do with the ruling.

    Firstly, are these reports not spell-checked? 17.4 refers to "the Fourth >>> condition". However, (27?) vi and 28 misspell it as "Fourt". It is
    correctly spelt in (47?) iv, 48, and 49.

    Secondly, 7 notes "The commentary at White Book Vol. 2, para. 13-10 is
    inciteful:". Inciteful? Is this a misinterpreted homonym for
    "insightful"? There's a world on difference between their meanings.

    These seem careless errors to me. Are there any less obvious ones? I see >>> that this is referred to as "HTML VERSION OF APPROVED JUDGMENT
    ". I
    wonder if the original has these errors.

    I have a rule - which has never been wrong so far - that finding one
    error in something means the will always be another.


    That error was on purpose, right? In which case - hahaha.

    It is an ongoing crisis in the legal profession that legal executives
    and paralegals who until very recently have conducted litigation, might
    now be deemed unable to do so and might face redundancy or a reduction
    in their workload with associated reduction in pay and marketability.

    There needs to be some clarification. Otherwise clients may find
    themselves paying higher legal fees. I've met some legal executives who
    were far better lawyers than the solicitors who were theoretically supervising them.

    My reading of the judgment is that paralegals and legal executives employed by the firm conducting the legal action and have thus at least potentially been "involved in the litigation" still have a right of audience, at least at the types of hearing where they have traditionally had that right. The person's refused right of audience are those who are hired by separate firms and sent
    to hearings to represent litigants they have not previously been involved
    with; sort of "unqualified professional advocates".
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Jan 13 00:24:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated


    "Jethro_uk" <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote in message news:10k38th$3ll9t$31@dont-email.me...
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:28:28 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 11/01/2026 15:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit
    has been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue
    litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

    Perhaps. It just removes one possibility of saving money.

    A couple of other comments from the bailii report, which have nothing to
    do with the ruling.

    Firstly, are these reports not spell-checked? 17.4 refers to "the Fourth
    condition". However, (27?) vi and 28 misspell it as "Fourt". It is
    correctly spelt in (47?) iv, 48, and 49.

    Secondly, 7 notes "The commentary at White Book Vol. 2, para. 13-10 is
    inciteful:". Inciteful? Is this a misinterpreted homonym for
    "insightful"? There's a world on difference between their meanings.

    These seem careless errors to me. Are there any less obvious ones? I see
    that this is referred to as "HTML VERSION OF APPROVED JUDGMENT ". I
    wonder if the original has these errors.

    I have a rule - which has never been wrong so far - that finding one
    error in something means the will always be another.

    See also, Skitt's Law

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Skitts%20Law



    bb






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  • From billy bookcase@billy@anon.com to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Jan 13 00:25:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated


    "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote in message news:msl57pFh6sjU1@mid.individual.net...

    It is an ongoing crisis in the legal profession that legal executives and paralegals who until very recently have conducted litigation, might now be deemed unable to do so and might face redundancy or a reduction in their workload with associated reduction in pay and marketability.

    There needs to be some clarification. Otherwise clients may find themselves paying higher legal fees. I've met some legal executives who were far better lawyers than the solicitors who were theoretically supervising them.

    More than just clarification.

    With the serious backlog of cases in the Courts how can increasing
    the workload of solicitors who already hold rights of audience in the
    lower courts, possibly improve that particular situation ?


    bb



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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Tue Jan 13 15:38:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 12/01/2026 21:20, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 12 Jan 2026 at 20:52:09 GMT, "The Todal" <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:

    On 12/01/2026 16:53, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:28:28 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 11/01/2026 15:06, Jethro_uk wrote:
    Looks like the cut-price legal services model that creates the profit >>>>> has been kneecapped as courts decide you need grown ups to pursue
    litigation.

    (that's a lay persons summary :) )

    https://www.bailii.org//ew/cases/Misc/2026/1.html

    Perhaps. It just removes one possibility of saving money.

    A couple of other comments from the bailii report, which have nothing to >>>> do with the ruling.

    Firstly, are these reports not spell-checked? 17.4 refers to "the Fourth >>>> condition". However, (27?) vi and 28 misspell it as "Fourt". It is
    correctly spelt in (47?) iv, 48, and 49.

    Secondly, 7 notes "The commentary at White Book Vol. 2, para. 13-10 is >>>> inciteful:". Inciteful? Is this a misinterpreted homonym for
    "insightful"? There's a world on difference between their meanings.

    These seem careless errors to me. Are there any less obvious ones? I see >>>> that this is referred to as "HTML VERSION OF APPROVED JUDGMENT
    ". I
    wonder if the original has these errors.

    I have a rule - which has never been wrong so far - that finding one
    error in something means the will always be another.


    That error was on purpose, right? In which case - hahaha.

    It is an ongoing crisis in the legal profession that legal executives
    and paralegals who until very recently have conducted litigation, might
    now be deemed unable to do so and might face redundancy or a reduction
    in their workload with associated reduction in pay and marketability.

    There needs to be some clarification. Otherwise clients may find
    themselves paying higher legal fees. I've met some legal executives who
    were far better lawyers than the solicitors who were theoretically
    supervising them.

    My reading of the judgment is that paralegals and legal executives employed by
    the firm conducting the legal action and have thus at least potentially been "involved in the litigation" still have a right of audience, at least at the types of hearing where they have traditionally had that right. The person's refused right of audience are those who are hired by separate firms and sent to hearings to represent litigants they have not previously been involved with; sort of "unqualified professional advocates".


    I think the key difficulty is that these cases are held in courts local
    to the defendant. It means it is very expensive for a representative to
    travel from the firm dealing with the case to the court. It doesn't
    matter whether the representative is a solicitor or a legal exec. Even
    sending the office boy is pretty expensive for what may only be a 10
    minute hearing.

    So, there's a system of local reps who get instructed. The problem with
    this particular rep was that he was not qualified. Maybe, this will
    provide work for down at heel barristers?

    "Villager:
    How can we find a samurai we can pay with only rice?

    Gisaku:
    Find hungry samurai."



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