• Do I really have to play this gig?

    From Nick Odell@nickodell49@yahoo.ca to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 11:59:49 2025
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    I am a jazz musician. An oxymoron, I know, but probably not the last
    in this allegorical hypotheticalisation.

    Two years ago I was offered and accepted a New Years Eve '25 gig at
    the world-famous Free Trades Hall in Boltwich. Great! I thought and
    put it in my diary and looked forward to it.

    Completely unexpectedly - to anybody who hadn't been paying attention
    - at the Boltwich 2024 elections the Satanist party completely swept
    the board and Sam Satanist became the leader of the council.

    It didn't stop there. Sam Satanist put his people in all the key
    political and non-political places in the city. One might have thought
    the Free Trades Hall, with its long and venerable history of
    presenting a wide and tolerant range of arts and entertainment would
    have been immune from these changes but it wasn't long before the Free
    Trades Hall management team were ousted and replaced by SS loyalists
    with Sam Satanist imposing himself as Chairman of the reconstituted
    board and taking control of the artist bookings. The final straw for
    me was when the new board unanimously agreed to change the name of the
    Free Trades Hall and within hours the new title was plastered across
    the front: The Sam Satanist Greater Boltwich Hall - or SS-GB for
    short.

    This is not the gig I agreed to play. What would have been a fun and
    friendly end-of-year gig with fans and families has been politicised
    and I would be playing to a house packed with SS loyalists with the
    implication that I am an SS supporter.

    So I cancelled. Now the SS-GB has turned around and says that it is
    going to sue me for One Million Pounds if I don't turn up and play.
    Can they really do that? Could they win?

    Advice please. And simply saying that I should never have gotten into
    jazz in the first place would not be regarded as entirely helpful.

    Thanks,

    Nick

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 12:40:22 2025
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    On 2025-12-31, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
    So I cancelled. Now the SS-GB has turned around and says that it is
    going to sue me for One Million Pounds if I don't turn up and play.
    Can they really do that? Could they win?

    It would depend on the exact wording of the contract. Although mostly
    I think it would depend on the opinion of the judge who heard the case.
    If they were an SS supporter then you'd be screwed unless you had some
    very clear get-out clause. If they weren't then it could go either way.

    I think your best bet would be to argue that the contract required you
    to perform at the Free Trades Hall, and as that venue no longer existed
    it was either frustrated or the hall owners were in breach rather than
    you.

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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 13:27:11 2025
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    On 31/12/2025 11:59 am, Nick Odell wrote:
    I am a jazz musician. An oxymoron, I know, but probably not the last
    in this allegorical hypotheticalisation.

    Two years ago I was offered and accepted a New Years Eve '25 gig at
    the world-famous Free Trades Hall in Boltwich. Great! I thought and
    put it in my diary and looked forward to it.

    Completely unexpectedly - to anybody who hadn't been paying attention
    - at the Boltwich 2024 elections the Satanist party completely swept
    the board and Sam Satanist became the leader of the council.

    It didn't stop there. Sam Satanist put his people in all the key
    political and non-political places in the city. One might have thought
    the Free Trades Hall, with its long and venerable history of
    presenting a wide and tolerant range of arts and entertainment would
    have been immune from these changes but it wasn't long before the Free
    Trades Hall management team were ousted and replaced by SS loyalists
    with Sam Satanist imposing himself as Chairman of the reconstituted
    board and taking control of the artist bookings. The final straw for
    me was when the new board unanimously agreed to change the name of the
    Free Trades Hall and within hours the new title was plastered across
    the front: The Sam Satanist Greater Boltwich Hall - or SS-GB for
    short.

    This is not the gig I agreed to play. What would have been a fun and
    friendly end-of-year gig with fans and families has been politicised
    and I would be playing to a house packed with SS loyalists with the implication that I am an SS supporter.

    So I cancelled. Now the SS-GB has turned around and says that it is
    going to sue me for One Million Pounds if I don't turn up and play.
    Can they really do that? Could they win?

    Advice please. And simply saying that I should never have gotten into
    jazz in the first place would not be regarded as entirely helpful.

    Thanks,

    Nick

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    How many other gigs do you get per year?

    It might be different if your were a folk singer ('cause you'd have the teaching salary to keep the wolf from the door).



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  • From Les. Hayward@les@nospam.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 13:46:18 2025
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    On 31/12/2025 13:27, JNugent wrote:

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    How many other gigs do you get per year?

    It might be different if your were a folk singer ('cause you'd have the teaching salary to keep the wolf from the door).



    Quite so. I used to play regularly in dances in the Labour hall for
    Labour party 'do's despite the fact that I was a Conservative at the time.

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 14:57:28 2025
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    On 2025-12-31, Les. Hayward <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 31/12/2025 13:27, JNugent wrote:
    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    How many other gigs do you get per year?

    It might be different if your were a folk singer ('cause you'd have the
    teaching salary to keep the wolf from the door).

    Quite so. I used to play regularly in dances in the Labour hall for
    Labour party 'do's despite the fact that I was a Conservative at the time.

    Labour/Conservatives (especially <2015 Conservatives) is one thing, but
    most people would probably draw a line *somewhere*, be it the Anarchist Federation, the Communist Party of Britain, the Socialist Workers Party, Reform, Britain First, the British National Party, the National Front,
    the British Union of Fascists, or wherever.

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  • From Roger Hayter@roger@hayter.org to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 14:58:57 2025
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    On 31 Dec 2025 at 13:46:18 GMT, ""Les. Hayward"" <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    On 31/12/2025 13:27, JNugent wrote:

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    How many other gigs do you get per year?

    It might be different if your were a folk singer ('cause you'd have the
    teaching salary to keep the wolf from the door).



    Quite so. I used to play regularly in dances in the Labour hall for
    Labour party 'do's despite the fact that I was a Conservative at the time.

    Not quite the same thing, as there is little tangible difference between the Labour and Conservative parties.
    --

    Roger Hayter

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  • From Norman Wells@hex@unseen.ac.am to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 14:08:50 2025
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    On 31/12/2025 12:40, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-31, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:

    So I cancelled. Now the SS-GB has turned around and says that it is
    going to sue me for One Million Pounds if I don't turn up and play.
    Can they really do that? Could they win?

    It would depend on the exact wording of the contract. Although mostly
    I think it would depend on the opinion of the judge who heard the case.

    It seems you have a very low opinion of our judges who are tasked with deciding cases like this purely on the facts, ie the contract terms. If
    they don't, they will be torn apart by appeal judges who will.

    If they were an SS supporter then you'd be screwed unless you had some
    very clear get-out clause. If they weren't then it could go either way.

    I think your best bet would be to argue that the contract required you
    to perform at the Free Trades Hall, and as that venue no longer existed
    it was either frustrated or the hall owners were in breach rather than
    you.

    Changing the name of a venue does not change the venue. If the contract
    is to play at that venue then he has to play or be in breach.

    Just to add that anyone can sue anyone for a million pounds or even $5bn
    (x2) for anything. It doesn't mean their case is sustainable or, even
    if it is, that they will be awarded anything like whatever it is they
    claim. That is something the judge can and will decide, but based on
    the actual demonstrated degree of damage.




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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 15:28:54 2025
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    On 31/12/2025 02:57 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:

    On 2025-12-31, Les. Hayward <les@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 31/12/2025 13:27, JNugent wrote:

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.
    How many other gigs do you get per year?
    It might be different if your were a folk singer ('cause you'd have the
    teaching salary to keep the wolf from the door).

    Quite so. I used to play regularly in dances in the Labour hall for
    Labour party 'do's despite the fact that I was a Conservative at the time.

    Labour/Conservatives (especially <2015 Conservatives) is one thing, but
    most people would probably draw a line *somewhere*, be it the Anarchist Federation, the Communist Party of Britain, the Socialist Workers Party, Reform, Britain First, the British National Party, the National Front,
    the British Union of Fascists, or wherever.

    What's wrong with the CPGB?

    An uncle of mine was a lifelong member and supporter and I respect that.
    The party was always completely honest about its intentions and
    ambitions, which is not something you can say about other leftish organisations.

    I'm not sure whether you are aware of this, but in most towns and
    cities, politicians of various parties all know each other and
    friendships often develop across party lines. Sometimes more easily than
    with members of one's own party...

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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 17:10:11 2025
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    On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 13:27:11 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 31/12/2025 11:59 am, Nick Odell wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    I dunno. The Nazis were rather down on jazz.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 20:16:24 2025
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    On 31/12/2025 17:10, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 13:27:11 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 31/12/2025 11:59 am, Nick Odell wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    I dunno. The Nazis were rather down on jazz.

    Ever heard of

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_and_his_Orchestra

    Jazz is a broad church and Swing falls somewhere in there (IMO obviously).
    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Wed Dec 31 21:53:39 2025
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    On 12/31/25 11:59, Nick Odell wrote:


    Advice please. And simply saying that I should never have gotten into
    jazz in the first place would not be regarded as entirely helpful.


    I wonder if there might be some flavours of jazz that particularly
    offend Sam. Jazz that Sam cannot bear to be played anywhere in public,
    let alone in one of his venues.

    Perhaps forwarding Sam such an intended playlist would have seen the gig cancelled by mutual agreement and avoided the unpleasantness. Contracts
    can often be little more than intentions of good will. Things that in
    reality are not sensible to hold people to.

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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Jan 1 02:06:58 2026
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    On 31/12/2025 05:10 pm, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 13:27:11 +0000, JNugent wrote:

    On 31/12/2025 11:59 am, Nick Odell wrote:
    [quoted text muted]

    A genuine jazz musician would badly WANT to play the gig.

    I dunno. The Nazis were rather down on jazz.

    ...and?

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