Latest update (8pm Sunday).
Car park [One] closed "for the foreseeable future"
Car park Two prioritised for patients and visitors (so staff a bit
disadvantaged).
People urged to use nearby P&R, although it's not clear they have
anything like the necessary spare capacity (either parking spaces
or bus seats).
Anyone with car held hostage "wait to hear from us".
ps. I'm not saying that there's much else which could be done, but
it's a heads-up what a significant single-point-of-failure this
illustrates.
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 20:24:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Latest update (8pm Sunday).
Car park [One] closed "for the foreseeable future"
Car park Two prioritised for patients and visitors (so staff a bit
disadvantaged).
People urged to use nearby P&R, although it's not clear they have
anything like the necessary spare capacity (either parking spaces
or bus seats).
Anyone with car held hostage "wait to hear from us".
ps. I'm not saying that there's much else which could be done, but
it's a heads-up what a significant single-point-of-failure this
illustrates.
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
In message <39k7kkhh5l3if0bedpm02p3rs41fpimm5f@4ax.com>, at 10:06:02 on
Thu, 18 Dec 2025, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> remarked:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 20:24:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Anyone with car held hostage "wait to hear from us".
ps. I'm not saying that there's much else which could be done, but
-a-a-a it's a heads-up what a significant single-point-of-failure this
-a-a-a illustrates.
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
Staff at Addenbrookes were unofficially told that an EV was involved,
but that might be one parked next to the faulty diesel, and once afire
would experience greater thermal runaway than a diesel parked next door.
The only thing that's certain is that reports of what happened, released
at this stage, only tell a fraction of the story. For example, did the
car park have sprinklers (possibly unlikely as the fire burnt out a
total of 12 cars). Would those other eleven have a claim against NCP?
Are they any nearer to allowing the lower deck to be emptied of cars?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 20:24:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
Latest update (8pm Sunday).
Car park [One] closed "for the foreseeable future"
Car park Two prioritised for patients and visitors (so staff a bit
disadvantaged).
People urged to use nearby P&R, although it's not clear they have
anything like the necessary spare capacity (either parking spaces
or bus seats).
Anyone with car held hostage "wait to hear from us".
ps. I'm not saying that there's much else which could be done, but
it's a heads-up what a significant single-point-of-failure this
illustrates.
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a diesel vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a hybrid. ItrCOs just that the seat of the jets of flame came from the location where the battery would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC R4 this morning at about 0615.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC R4 this morning at about 0615.
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a diesel
vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a hybrid. ItrCOs just
that the seat of the jets of flame came from the location where the battery >> would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning >> that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on >> the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official
attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
What is "the issue of EV sales", and in what way are we "out of step"?
Spike wrote:
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning >> that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on >> the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official
attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
06:24:40 "delusional"
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a
diesel vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a
hybrid. ItrCOs just that the seat of the jets of flame came from the
location where the battery would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning >>> that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on >>> the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official >>> attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
What is "the issue of EV sales", and in what way are we "out of step"?
Something to do with government-imposed quotas, derided by the interviewee
in the programme mentioned on the grounds that the government is dictating what people want and which is also out of line with many/most/all other governments. ItrCOs an interesting listen.
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a
diesel vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a
hybrid. ItrCOs just that the seat of the jets of flame came from the
location where the battery would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning >>>> that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on >>>> the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official >>>> attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
What is "the issue of EV sales", and in what way are we "out of step"?
Something to do with government-imposed quotas, derided by the interviewee >> in the programme mentioned on the grounds that the government is dictating >> what people want and which is also out of line with many/most/all other
governments. ItrCOs an interesting listen.
Ah I guess they must be referring to this story:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368488/eu-axes-2035-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales-ban-uk-holds-firm-2030
Please forgive my lack of shock that a representative of an industry
turns out to be against regulation of his industry.
So from 2035, 100% of UK vehicle sales must be zero-emission, whereas
in the EU, only 90% of vehicle sales must be zero-emission. If we're
"out of step", it's only 10% out of step.
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a
diesel vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a
hybrid. ItrCOs just that the seat of the jets of flame came from the >>>>> location where the battery would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning
that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on
the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official >>>>> attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
What is "the issue of EV sales", and in what way are we "out of step"?
Something to do with government-imposed quotas, derided by the interviewee >>> in the programme mentioned on the grounds that the government is dictating >>> what people want and which is also out of line with many/most/all other
governments. ItrCOs an interesting listen.
Ah I guess they must be referring to this story:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368488/eu-axes-2035-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales-ban-uk-holds-firm-2030
Please forgive my lack of shock that a representative of an industry
turns out to be against regulation of his industry.
So from 2035, 100% of UK vehicle sales must be zero-emission, whereas
in the EU, only 90% of vehicle sales must be zero-emission. If we're
"out of step", it's only 10% out of step.
If thatrCOs your approach, itrCOs a good job you arenrCOt square-bashing. Your
drill corporal would have you doubling round the parade ground rCytil your knees fell off, for being out by such a margin.
Or, if you would like something scientific regarding small discrepancies, natural uranium is composed of about 99.3% Uranium-238 (U-238) and 0.7% Uranium-235 (U-235).
On 2025-12-19, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:Something to do with government-imposed quotas, derided by the interviewee >>>> in the programme mentioned on the grounds that the government is dictating >>>> what people want and which is also out of line with many/most/all other >>>> governments. ItrCOs an interesting listen.
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a >>>>>> diesel vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a
hybrid. ItrCOs just that the seat of the jets of flame came from the >>>>>> location where the battery would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning
that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on
the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official
attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
What is "the issue of EV sales", and in what way are we "out of step"? >>>>
Ah I guess they must be referring to this story:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368488/eu-axes-2035-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales-ban-uk-holds-firm-2030
Please forgive my lack of shock that a representative of an industry
turns out to be against regulation of his industry.
So from 2035, 100% of UK vehicle sales must be zero-emission, whereas
in the EU, only 90% of vehicle sales must be zero-emission. If we're
"out of step", it's only 10% out of step.
If thatrCOs your approach, itrCOs a good job you arenrCOt square-bashing. Your
drill corporal would have you doubling round the parade ground rCytil your >> knees fell off, for being out by such a margin.
Or, if you would like something scientific regarding small discrepancies,
natural uranium is composed of about 99.3% Uranium-238 (U-238) and 0.7%
Uranium-235 (U-235).
Yes very good, but that's all totally and utterly irrelevant given
we're not talking about "square-bashing" or uranium isotopes.
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-19, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:Something to do with government-imposed quotas, derided by the interviewee
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
Now being reported as caused by a fault in a diesel car.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04vxd5nr31o
Who'd have thought, eh. Maybe we should consider banning them.
The last reported multi-storey car park fire was also said to be a >>>>>>> diesel vehicle, but a Range Rover group maintained that it was a >>>>>>> hybrid. ItrCOs just that the seat of the jets of flame came from the >>>>>>> location where the battery would be.
We canrCOt ban EVs because thatrCOs against the current official mantra, but a
representative of a car dealers association said on the radio this morning
that the UK was the only country out of step with the rest of the world on
the issue of EV sales. I forget the word he used to describe the official
attitude, but it might have been a close relative of rCOhallucinatingrCO. BBC
R4 this morning at about 0615.
What is "the issue of EV sales", and in what way are we "out of step"? >>>>>
in the programme mentioned on the grounds that the government is dictating
what people want and which is also out of line with many/most/all other >>>>> governments. ItrCOs an interesting listen.
Ah I guess they must be referring to this story:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368488/eu-axes-2035-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales-ban-uk-holds-firm-2030
Please forgive my lack of shock that a representative of an industry
turns out to be against regulation of his industry.
So from 2035, 100% of UK vehicle sales must be zero-emission, whereas
in the EU, only 90% of vehicle sales must be zero-emission. If we're
"out of step", it's only 10% out of step.
If thatrCOs your approach, itrCOs a good job you arenrCOt square-bashing. Your
drill corporal would have you doubling round the parade ground rCytil your >>> knees fell off, for being out by such a margin.
Or, if you would like something scientific regarding small discrepancies, >>> natural uranium is composed of about 99.3% Uranium-238 (U-238) and 0.7%
Uranium-235 (U-235).
Yes very good, but that's all totally and utterly irrelevant given
we're not talking about "square-bashing" or uranium isotopes.
Quite. What werCOre talking about is non-EVs being unavailable in the UK but being available in the rest of the world.
So, people who still want ICE vehicles will buy them from ROW instead of
the UK.
Naturally, dealers here will lose this business and those in ROW will gain. It is little wonder that this demonstration of this rCOuseful idiotrCO of a governmentrCOs anti-business stance is described by those involved in this sector as rCOdelusionalrCO.
Update Thursday (five days after the fire):
NCP say there are still 40 cars trapped "too dangerous to move".
On one hand they don't say if that includes the 12 burnt out ones;
on the other hand, why are between 28 and 40 others immovable if
not because of damage to the structure.
In message <nbLyCfKCZCRpFAj2@perry.uk>, at 16:05:22 on Thu, 18 Dec 2025, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
Update Thursday (five days after the fire):
NCP say there are still 40 cars trapped "too dangerous to move".
On one hand they don't say if that includes the 12 burnt out ones;
on the other hand, why are between 28 and 40 others immovable if
not because of damage to the structure.
Final update: car park reopened at 6pm Friday 19th, just in time for Saturday Stagecoach bus driver strike which will severely limit P&R capacity.
On 19 Dec 2025 at 14:54:59 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote:
Naturally, dealers here will lose this business and those in ROW will gain. >>> It is little wonder that this demonstration of this rCOuseful idiotrCO of a >>> governmentrCOs anti-business stance is described by those involved in this >>> sector as rCOdelusionalrCO.
Reading all of the above, "delusional" is certainly a word that springs
to mind, I'll give you that much.
I prefer "deluded", not being an American.
On 19/12/2025 15:07, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 19 Dec 2025 at 14:54:59 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu>
wrote:
Naturally, dealers here will lose this business and those in ROW will gain.
It is little wonder that this demonstration of this rCOuseful idiotrCO of a
governmentrCOs anti-business stance is described by those involved in this >>>> sector as rCOdelusionalrCO.
Reading all of the above, "delusional" is certainly a word that springs
to mind, I'll give you that much.
I prefer "deluded", not being an American.
In believing that 'delusional' is an Americanism, I think you've been deluded.
On 20 Dec 2025 at 18:42:11 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 19/12/2025 15:07, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 19 Dec 2025 at 14:54:59 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> >>> wrote:
Naturally, dealers here will lose this business and those in ROW will gain.
It is little wonder that this demonstration of this rCOuseful idiotrCO of a
governmentrCOs anti-business stance is described by those involved in this
sector as rCOdelusionalrCO.
Reading all of the above, "delusional" is certainly a word that springs >>>> to mind, I'll give you that much.
I prefer "deluded", not being an American.
In believing that 'delusional' is an Americanism, I think you've been
deluded.
I don't think 'delude' is transitive.
The word you are looking for is 'misled'. Or substitute 'are' for ' have been'.
On 20 Dec 2025 at 18:42:11 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 19/12/2025 15:07, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 19 Dec 2025 at 14:54:59 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> >>> wrote:
Naturally, dealers here will lose this business and those in ROW will gain.
It is little wonder that this demonstration of this rCOuseful idiotrCO of a
governmentrCOs anti-business stance is described by those involved in this
sector as rCOdelusionalrCO.
Reading all of the above, "delusional" is certainly a word that springs >>>> to mind, I'll give you that much.
I prefer "deluded", not being an American.
In believing that 'delusional' is an Americanism, I think you've been
deluded.
I don't think 'delude' is transitive. The word you are looking for is 'misled'. Or substitute 'are' for ' have been'.
On 20 Dec 2025 at 18:42:11 GMT, "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
On 19/12/2025 15:07, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 19 Dec 2025 at 14:54:59 GMT, "Jon Ribbens" <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> >>> wrote:
Naturally, dealers here will lose this business and those in ROW will gain.
It is little wonder that this demonstration of this rCOuseful idiotrCO of a
governmentrCOs anti-business stance is described by those involved in this
sector as rCOdelusionalrCO.
Reading all of the above, "delusional" is certainly a word that springs >>>> to mind, I'll give you that much.
I prefer "deluded", not being an American.
In believing that 'delusional' is an Americanism, I think you've been
deluded.
I don't think 'delude' is transitive. The word you are looking for is 'misled'. Or substitute 'are' for ' have been'.
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