It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare of
others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
unassailable.
Such as delaying traffic and screwing up the plans of hundreds of
people on the M25.
On 17 Dec 2025 at 17:21:00 GMT, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a misconceived one. >>>>> I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in Northern >>>>> Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them.
Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have thought it?
Perhaps more reasonably, since he is responsible for a crime of violence >against an innocent person that cannot remotely be justified by supporting >Palestine he realises he has no possible moral authority to protest that his >imprisonment is political? (Without prejudice to whether the hunger strikers >have such a justification.)
On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
"Selfless"?
It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare
of others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and unassailable.
On 2025-12-18, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
"Selfless"?
It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare of
others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
unassailable.
Hmm, that reminds me of something somebody said last year:
"If one insists on using schoolboy terms like "selfish",
one devalue one's own argument."
Who was it who said that I wonder?
Oh. It was you.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 00:34:31 +0000
JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:Such as delaying traffic and screwing up the plans of hundreds of
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
misconceived one. I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the >>>>>>>>> hunger strikers in Northern Ireland there isn't a vast
sympathetic community backing them.
Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have
thought it?
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same
facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe
in.
"Selfless"?
It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare of
others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
unassailable.
people on the M25.
On 2025-12-18, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
"Selfless"?
It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare
of others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
unassailable.
Hmm, that reminds me of something somebody said last year:
"If one insists on using schoolboy terms like "selfish",
one devalue one's own argument."
Who was it who said that I wonder?
Oh. It was you.
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in prison
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a misconceived one. >>>>>>> I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in Northern >>>>>>> Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them.
Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have thought it? >>>
and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in prison >>>> and therefore has nothing to protest about.
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
misconceived one. I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the
hunger strikers in Northern Ireland there isn't a vast
sympathetic community backing them.
Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have thought it? >>>>
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?
It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they (allegedly)
did attack one of the guards.
On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
misconceived one.
I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in >>>>>>>> Northern
Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them.
Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'?-a Who'd have thought >>>>> it?
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in prison >>>> and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?
It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they (allegedly)
did attack one of the guards.
On 20/12/2025 15:20, GB wrote:
On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is aCuriously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
misconceived one.
I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in >>>>>>>>> Northern
Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them. >>>>>>>>
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'?-a Who'd have
thought it?
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
prison
and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?
It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so
(allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they
(allegedly) did attack one of the guards.
I think when people make "demands" it isn't always a good look. Any of
us can write to the government and "demand" that all the Elbit factories
be shut down and all contracts with Elbit should be cancelled. But if we don't have the clout of Donald Trump or Elon Musk, our demands are
likely to be flushed down the toilet.
quote
IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
Amu Gib
Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
to Israel
Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield
Our demands are simple.
One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.
unquote
On 20/12/2025 15:20, GB wrote:
On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is aCuriously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.
misconceived one.
I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in >>>>>>>>> Northern
Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them. >>>>>>>>
Why would that be curious?
Respects his own life more than other peoples'?-a Who'd have
thought it?
Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
prison
and therefore has nothing to protest about.
Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.
You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)
I just find it hard to think well about these guys.
Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.
Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?
It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so
(allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they
(allegedly) did attack one of the guards.
I think when people make "demands" it isn't always a good look. Any of
us can write to the government and "demand" that all the Elbit factories
be shut down and all contracts with Elbit should be cancelled. But if we don't have the clout of Donald Trump or Elon Musk, our demands are
likely to be flushed down the toilet.
quote
IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
Amu Gib
Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
to Israel
Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield
Our demands are simple.
One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.
unquote
On 21/12/2025 11:46 am, The Todal wrote:
Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield
Our demands are simple.
One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to
Israel. Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a
direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a
terrorist organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in
custody. Four: set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are
really ill or dying, people who have missed major life events. And
five: provide a fair trial, including the unredacted release of the
correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials
and arms dealers.
unquote
What's the position of the Tooting Popular Front on all of this?
IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
Amu Gib
Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
to Israel
Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield
Our demands are simple.
One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.
On 21/12/2025 11:46, The Todal wrote:
IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
Amu Gib
Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
to Israel
Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield
Our demands are simple.
One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to
Israel. Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a
direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a
terrorist organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in
custody. Four: set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are
really ill or dying, people who have missed major life events. And
five: provide a fair trial, including the unredacted release of the
correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials
and arms dealers.
Looks like he's going to starve himself to death then.
Am I supposed to care?
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