• Re: Hunger Strikes

    From Roland Perry@roland@perry.uk to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Dec 18 05:18:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    In message <10hvjtu$3vd17$1@dont-email.me>, at 01:03:58 on Thu, 18 Dec
    2025, Davey <davey@example.invalid> remarked:

    It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare of
    others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
    unassailable.

    Such as delaying traffic and screwing up the plans of hundreds of
    people on the M25.

    That episode cost me half a day, my passenger a whole day, and between
    us more than u500 in out-of-pocket expenses. Luckily, the airline out of Heathrow didn't charge for changing the ticket, or that could have been another u1000.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Mark Goodge@usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Dec 18 09:57:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 17 Dec 2025 19:00:15 GMT, Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 17 Dec 2025 at 17:21:00 GMT, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a misconceived one. >>>>> I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in Northern >>>>> Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them.

    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
    sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?


    Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have thought it?

    Perhaps more reasonably, since he is responsible for a crime of violence >against an innocent person that cannot remotely be justified by supporting >Palestine he realises he has no possible moral authority to protest that his >imprisonment is political? (Without prejudice to whether the hunger strikers >have such a justification.)

    You may be right. It's also possible that he is motivated less by ideology
    than the others, and has therefore less of an incentive to martyr himself.

    Mark

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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Dec 18 10:01:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2025-12-18, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
    prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.

    "Selfless"?

    It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare
    of others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and unassailable.

    Hmm, that reminds me of something somebody said last year:

    "If one insists on using schoolboy terms like "selfish",
    one devalue one's own argument."

    Who was it who said that I wonder?

    Oh. It was you.

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  • From Jethro_uk@jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Dec 18 10:19:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 10:01:26 +0000, Jon Ribbens wrote:

    On 2025-12-18, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
    prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.

    "Selfless"?

    It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare of
    others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
    unassailable.

    Hmm, that reminds me of something somebody said last year:

    "If one insists on using schoolboy terms like "selfish",
    one devalue one's own argument."

    Who was it who said that I wonder?

    Oh. It was you.

    I think it was a different time ....

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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Dec 18 15:25:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 18/12/2025 01:03 am, Davey wrote:
    On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 00:34:31 +0000
    JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:

    On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
    misconceived one. I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the >>>>>>>>> hunger strikers in Northern Ireland there isn't a vast
    sympathetic community backing them.

    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?

    Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have
    thought it?

    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
    prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same
    facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe
    in.

    "Selfless"?

    It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare of
    others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
    unassailable.

    Such as delaying traffic and screwing up the plans of hundreds of
    people on the M25.

    Of course.

    And even more so, hitting another human with a sledgehammer.



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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Thu Dec 18 15:29:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 18/12/2025 10:01 am, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-18, JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 09:34 pm, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
    prison and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.

    "Selfless"?

    It is entirely *selfish* to totally ignore the views and welfare
    of others, regarding one's own views and desires as paramount and
    unassailable.

    Hmm, that reminds me of something somebody said last year:

    "If one insists on using schoolboy terms like "selfish",
    one devalue one's own argument."

    Who was it who said that I wonder?

    Oh. It was you.

    Context is everything.

    What was needed there was the opposite of the actual word you had used: "selfless".

    Other contexts are different. For example, categorising people who want
    to maximise their income and their family's welfare - by lawful means -
    as "selfish".

    The economist's term is "self-interested", which is non-pejorative.

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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Sat Dec 20 15:20:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a misconceived one. >>>>>>> I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in Northern >>>>>>> Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them.

    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
    sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?

    Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have thought it? >>>
    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in prison
    and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.


    Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?

    It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so
    (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they (allegedly)
    did attack one of the guards.



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  • From Jon Ribbens@jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Dec 21 11:34:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 2025-12-20, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
    misconceived one. I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the
    hunger strikers in Northern Ireland there isn't a vast
    sympathetic community backing them.

    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
    sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?

    Respects his own life more than other peoples'? Who'd have thought it? >>>>
    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in prison >>>> and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.

    Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?

    Eh? How would it be "self-aggrandisement"? If they just wanted to feel important there are far less illegal and risky things they could have
    done.

    It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they (allegedly)
    did attack one of the guards.

    Whips? Were the guards Nazi soldiers brandishing Lugers on a steam train?

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  • From The Todal@the_todal@icloud.com to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Dec 21 11:46:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 20/12/2025 15:20, GB wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
    misconceived one.
    I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in >>>>>>>> Northern
    Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them.

    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a
    sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?

    Respects his own life more than other peoples'?-a Who'd have thought >>>>> it?

    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in prison >>>> and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.


    Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?

    It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they (allegedly)
    did attack one of the guards.


    I think when people make "demands" it isn't always a good look. Any of
    us can write to the government and "demand" that all the Elbit factories
    be shut down and all contracts with Elbit should be cancelled. But if we
    don't have the clout of Donald Trump or Elon Musk, our demands are
    likely to be flushed down the toilet.

    quote

    IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
    Amu Gib

    Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
    to Israel

    Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield

    Our demands are simple.
    One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
    Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action
    protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
    organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
    set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
    dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
    fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.

    unquote



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  • From GB@NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Dec 21 13:59:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 21/12/2025 11:46, The Todal wrote:
    On 20/12/2025 15:20, GB wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
    misconceived one.
    I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in >>>>>>>>> Northern
    Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them. >>>>>>>>
    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?

    Respects his own life more than other peoples'?-a Who'd have
    thought it?

    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
    prison
    and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.


    Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?

    It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so
    (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they
    (allegedly) did attack one of the guards.


    I think when people make "demands" it isn't always a good look. Any of
    us can write to the government and "demand" that all the Elbit factories
    be shut down and all contracts with Elbit should be cancelled. But if we don't have the clout of Donald Trump or Elon Musk, our demands are
    likely to be flushed down the toilet.

    quote

    IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
    Amu Gib

    Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
    to Israel

    Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield

    Our demands are simple.
    One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
    Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
    organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
    set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
    dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
    fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.

    unquote


    No chance at all of that happening, is there?

    Plus it seems a bit confused to me:

    Are their conditions any worse than other prisoners on remand? If not,
    have they moved on from campaigning about Palestine to campaigning about
    the treatment of prisoners, generally?

    Or else, what is meant by "Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody"?








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  • From JNugent@JNugent73@mail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Dec 21 16:35:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 21/12/2025 11:46 am, The Todal wrote:
    On 20/12/2025 15:20, GB wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 21:34, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 19:19, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-17, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 17:28, Jon Ribbens wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/12/2025 10:56, The Todal wrote:
    I think the strategy of holding a hunger strike is a
    misconceived one.
    I can't see how it can succeed. Unlike the hunger strikers in >>>>>>>>> Northern
    Ireland there isn't a vast sympathetic community backing them. >>>>>>>>
    Curiously, Samuel Corner (who allegedly struck Sgt Evans with a >>>>>>>> sledgehammer) is not amongst the hunger strikers.

    Why would that be curious?

    Respects his own life more than other peoples'?-a Who'd have
    thought it?

    Oh. I was thinking that maybe he feels that he deserves to be in
    prison
    and therefore has nothing to protest about.

    Funny how we can get completely opposite ideas from the same facts.

    You and Roger Hayter. Maybe, you're right. :)

    I just find it hard to think well about these guys.

    Really? You might not agree with their methods (frankly I wouldn't
    either with the sledgehammer-attack bit) but they're clearly willing
    to risk their own liberty for a selfless cause that they believe in.


    Selfless cause, or self-aggrandisement?

    It's not just sledgehammers they were carrying. They had whips, so
    (allegedly) they could attack the security guards, and they
    (allegedly) did attack one of the guards.


    I think when people make "demands" it isn't always a good look. Any of
    us can write to the government and "demand" that all the Elbit factories
    be shut down and all contracts with Elbit should be cancelled. But if we don't have the clout of Donald Trump or Elon Musk, our demands are
    likely to be flushed down the toilet.

    quote

    IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
    Amu Gib

    Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
    to Israel

    Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield

    Our demands are simple.
    One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
    Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
    organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
    set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
    dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
    fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.

    unquote

    What's the position of the Tooting Popular Front on all of this?

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  • From John@megane.06@gmail.com to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Dec 21 18:30:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 21/12/2025 16:35, JNugent wrote:
    On 21/12/2025 11:46 am, The Todal wrote:


    Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield

    Our demands are simple.
    One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to
    Israel. Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a
    direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a
    terrorist organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in
    custody. Four: set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are
    really ill or dying, people who have missed major life events. And
    five: provide a fair trial, including the unredacted release of the
    correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials
    and arms dealers.

    unquote

    What's the position of the Tooting Popular Front on all of this?

    Wolfie would have run a mile if asked to get involved in any real
    challenge to the British Government.

    Power to the people though, a programme I thoroughly enjoyed.

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  • From Norman Wells@hex@unseen.ac.am to uk.legal.moderated on Sun Dec 21 19:19:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 21/12/2025 11:46, The Todal wrote:

    IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
    Amu Gib

    Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
    to Israel

    Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield

    Our demands are simple.
    One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to Israel.
    Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a terrorist
    organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in custody. Four:
    set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are really ill or
    dying, people who have missed major life events. And five: provide a
    fair trial, including the unredacted release of the correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials and arms dealers.

    Looks like he's going to starve himself to death then.

    Am I supposed to care?



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  • From Fredxx@fredxx@spam.invalid to uk.legal.moderated on Sat Dec 27 12:39:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: uk.legal.moderated

    On 21/12/2025 19:19, Norman Wells wrote:
    On 21/12/2025 11:46, The Todal wrote:

    IrCOm on hunger strike in a British prison. This is why
    Amu Gib

    Our demands are simple rCo and they start with stopping the flow of arms
    to Israel

    Amu Gib is an activist currently being held at HMP Bronzefield

    Our demands are simple.
    One: shut down the weapons factories that are supplying arms to
    Israel. Two: deproscribe Palestine Action. Palestine Action is a
    direct action protest group and should never have been labelled a
    terrorist organisation. Three: end the mistreatment of prisoners in
    custody. Four: set immediate bail. There are people whose parents are
    really ill or dying, people who have missed major life events. And
    five: provide a fair trial, including the unredacted release of the
    correspondence about activists between British and Israeli officials
    and arms dealers.

    Looks like he's going to starve himself to death then.

    Am I supposed to care?


    That depends on whether you embrace the adverse publicity to the
    government and further point out the ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

    It's only one life in 70,000 or so, so perhaps not a reason to care on
    an individual perspective.

    YMMV


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