Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It
looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket
to decorate birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a matter of seconds yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking
at the latest photos of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with
what appears like egg boxes which I presume was some kind of acoustic material so it begs the question is this material so prone to ignition?
Is this another Grenfell situation of using inappropriate materials or
poor building control.
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It
looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket
to decorate birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a matter of seconds yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking
at the latest photos of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with
what appears like egg boxes which I presume was some kind of acoustic material so it begs the question is this material so prone to ignition?
Is this another Grenfell situation of using inappropriate materials or
poor building control.
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket to decorate birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a matter of seconds
yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking at the latest photos
of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with what appears like egg boxes which I presume was some kind of acoustic material so it begs the question
is this material so prone to ignition? Is this another Grenfell situation
of using inappropriate materials or poor building control.
On Fri, 02 Jan 2026 15:30:16 +0000, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It
looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler
fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket
to decorate birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a
matter of seconds yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking
at the latest photos of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with
what appears like egg boxes which I presume was some kind of acoustic
material so it begs the question is this material so prone to ignition?
Is this another Grenfell situation of using inappropriate materials or
poor building control.
If the sparkler is stuck in a champagne cork and you pop the cork the sparkler is likely to hit the ceiling.
Or anything attached to it.
Like inflammable acoustic tiles.
Cheers
Dave R
David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2026 15:30:16 +0000, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It
looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler
fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket >>> to decorate birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a >>> matter of seconds yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking
at the latest photos of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with
what appears like egg boxes which I presume was some kind of acoustic
material so it begs the question is this material so prone to ignition?
Is this another Grenfell situation of using inappropriate materials or
poor building control.
If the sparkler is stuck in a champagne cork and you pop the cork the
sparkler is likely to hit the ceiling.
Or anything attached to it.
Like inflammable acoustic tiles.
Cheers
Dave R
I just cannot believe that someone would create a ceiling that a few sparks from a sparkler would set on fire so easy.
For am-dram stage scenery madeof cardboard , textiles and the like, the >traditional fire-retarding measure was a mixtue of borax and boracic
acid washed over the material.
In message <10j906q$2hb8v$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:45:03 on Fri, 2 Jan
2026, N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> remarked:
For am-dram stage scenery madeof cardboard , textiles and the like,
the traditional fire-retarding measure was a mixtue of borax and
boracic acid washed-a over the material.
Back in the day when I was helping make such scenery, we used to have
long debates as to whether the process was "fire proofing" or "anti fire proofing". I was of the view the latter would be akin to painting them
with phosphorous.
Is this another Grenfell situation...Probably
of using inappropriate materials or poor building control.
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket to decorate birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a matter of seconds
yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking at the latest photos
of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with what appears like egg boxes which I presume was some kind of acoustic material so it begs the question
is this material so prone to ignition? Is this another Grenfell situation
of using inappropriate materials or poor building control.
I just cannot believe that someone would create a ceiling that a few sparks from a sparkler would set on fire so easy. When I think to soldering pipes adjacent to ordinary plasterboard without a heat shield and the worst that happened was a bit scorching but no fire.
Tricky Dicky <tricky.dicky@sky.com> wrote:
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It looks
like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler fireworks >> attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket to decorate >> birthday cakes. These rCLindoorrCY fireworks normally last a matter of seconds
yet they managed to set the ceiling on fire. Looking at the latest photos
of the ceiling it looks like it is covered with what appears like egg boxes >> which I presume was some kind of acoustic material so it begs the question >> is this material so prone to ignition? Is this another Grenfell situation
of using inappropriate materials or poor building control.
It looks very much the egg box structure was acoustic foam and it ignited before flashing over.
Another focus is on foam-like padding on the bar's ceiling and whether it
was compliant with safety standards.
Two fire safety experts told BBC Verify that the materials visible in
photos and videos of Le Constellation appeared to show "egg box foam", a
type of sound-absorbing material made from polyurethane (PU).
In the photo of the bottles being held up, flames are visible on a part of the ceiling with a foam-like covering.
PU foam is often treated with fire-retardant before being installed as a noise dampener in factories and entertainment venues.
But untreated, it can be highly flammable.
"Once ignited, polyurethane acoustic foam can exhibit rapid flame spread across its high-surface-area profile and produce dense, toxic smoke, significantly accelerating fire growth and reducing available escape time," said Dr Peter Wilkinson of Loughborough University.
Professor Edwin Galea, from the University of Greenwich, said the effectiveness of retardant treatment on PU foam can wear off over time.
The Swiss authorities say they cannot confirm what type of foam-padding was used in the bar and whether or not it complied with safety standards.
In Friday's press conference, officials talked about a "flashover"
happening in the bar.
Professor Galea explained this is what happens when hot gases rise to the ceiling, reach a critical temperature and then ignite the room near instantaneously.
According to Michael Klippel, a fire safety expert at ETH Zurich
University, "survival after flashover is very unlikely".
The authority responsible for overseeing fire safety inspections in Crans-Montana is the Office Cantonal du Feu (OCF) of the Canton of Valais. The inspections are carried out by local officials.
Swiss authorities said in a press conference that inspections on a building the size of Le Constellation should have been carried out each year.
BBC Verify has contacted the OCF to request access to previous inspection documents.
On Fri, 02 Jan 2026 15:30:16 +0000, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It
looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler
fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket
to decorate birthday cakes.
On Fri, 02 Jan 2026 15:30:16 +0000, Tricky Dicky wrote:
Just been looking at the latest photos of the start of the fire. It
looks like people were waving champagne bottles about that had sparkler
fireworks attached similar to ones you can get in your local supermarket >>> to decorate birthday cakes.
On hearing this on the news, I thought immediately of the New York Club
fire that was started by a Band letting off fireworks inside. The video linked below shows the full tradegy.It sounds a very similar event,we
dont know about the deaths yet, and whether crushing was the main cause
in Switzerland.
We were shown this on a H&S course. IIRC, many people were crushed in
the panic to get out, and, if everyone had been calm,very few people
would have died.The video shows the crush of people trying to get out,
and just being stuck at the entrance. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0ioCCiEe8>
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