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    From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jan 1 00:17:13 2026
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    <https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ursa-major-north-korea-and-nuclear-reactors-new-details-on-russian-vessel-sinking/>

    rCLAn inspection of the damage revealed a hole in the hull with metal
    deformed inward, indicating an external impact rather than an internal explosion.

    The size of the breach did not match that of a conventional torpedo, but
    was consistent with a strike by a supercavitating armor-piercing torpedo
    with a small or no warhead.

    Spanish authorities do not rule out the possibility that the interference
    was intended to disrupt a covert delivery of nuclear technology to KimrCOs regime.rCY
    --
    Spike
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jan 1 01:20:21 2026
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    On 01/01/2026 00:17, Spike wrote:
    <https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ursa-major-north-korea-and-nuclear-reactors-new-details-on-russian-vessel-sinking/>

    rCLAn inspection of the damage revealed a hole in the hull with metal deformed inward, indicating an external impact rather than an internal explosion.

    The size of the breach did not match that of a conventional torpedo, but
    was consistent with a strike by a supercavitating armor-piercing torpedo
    with a small or no warhead.

    Spanish authorities do not rule out the possibility that the interference
    was intended to disrupt a covert delivery of nuclear technology to KimrCOs regime.rCY

    Hmmm. So who exactly was supposed to have, and choose to use, a supercavitating torpedo on an incapacitated target?

    Are we to suppose that Russia[1] equips its landing ships with these?
    In the very unlikely case that the landing ship just happened to have
    such a thing on board - and even less likely - a 21 inch torpedo tube
    from which to launch it, why would anyone use such an expensive device
    when low tech scuttling charges would be just as effective?

    [1] Iran also has some, procured from Russia, but it's hard to see their involvement in this.
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jan 1 10:51:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 1/1/26 01:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/01/2026 00:17, Spike wrote:
    <https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ursa-major-north-korea-and-nuclear-
    reactors-new-details-on-russian-vessel-sinking/>

    rCLAn inspection of the damage revealed a hole in the hull with metal
    deformed inward, indicating an external impact rather than an internal
    explosion.

    The size of the breach did not match that of a conventional torpedo, but
    was consistent with a strike by a supercavitating armor-piercing torpedo
    with a small or no warhead.

    Spanish authorities do not rule out the possibility that the interference
    was intended to disrupt a covert delivery of nuclear technology to KimrCOs >> regime.rCY

    Hmmm.-a So who exactly was supposed to have, and choose to use, a supercavitating torpedo on an incapacitated target?

    Are we to suppose that Russia[1] equips its landing ships with these?
    In the very unlikely case that the landing ship just happened to have
    such a thing on board - and even less likely - a 21 inch torpedo tube
    from which to launch it, why would anyone use such an expensive device
    when low tech scuttling charges would be just as effective?

    [1] Iran also has some, procured from Russia, but it's hard to see their involvement in this.


    I think you have misread. The implication appears to be that the ship
    was sunk by a torpedo fired by a non-Russian enemy. The Russian landing
    ship cleaned up sometime afterwards.

    Why someone would think the Russians were sending sensitive military
    equipment from St Petersburg to Vladivostok via the Mediterranean,
    rather than internally, is a bit of a mystery to me.
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  • From Spike@aero.spike@mail.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jan 1 11:06:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/1/26 01:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/01/2026 00:17, Spike wrote:
    <https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ursa-major-north-korea-and-nuclear-
    reactors-new-details-on-russian-vessel-sinking/>

    rCLAn inspection of the damage revealed a hole in the hull with metal
    deformed inward, indicating an external impact rather than an internal
    explosion.

    The size of the breach did not match that of a conventional torpedo, but >>> was consistent with a strike by a supercavitating armor-piercing torpedo >>> with a small or no warhead.

    Spanish authorities do not rule out the possibility that the interference >>> was intended to disrupt a covert delivery of nuclear technology to KimrCOs >>> regime.rCY

    Hmmm.-a So who exactly was supposed to have, and choose to use, a
    supercavitating torpedo on an incapacitated target?

    Are we to suppose that Russia[1] equips its landing ships with these?
    In the very unlikely case that the landing ship just happened to have
    such a thing on board - and even less likely - a 21 inch torpedo tube
    from which to launch it, why would anyone use such an expensive device
    when low tech scuttling charges would be just as effective?

    [1] Iran also has some, procured from Russia, but it's hard to see their
    involvement in this.

    I think you have misread. The implication appears to be that the ship
    was sunk by a torpedo fired by a non-Russian enemy. The Russian landing
    ship cleaned up sometime afterwards.

    The Russians have had a supercavitating torpedo (Shkval) for some time, but
    no other country appears to have developed such a weapon. Iran is said to
    have a few which were supplied by Russia.

    Why someone would think the Russians were sending sensitive military equipment from St Petersburg to Vladivostok via the Mediterranean,
    rather than internally, is a bit of a mystery to me.

    ItrCOs a route used by RussiarCOs ghost fleet. This could have been because of plausible deniability, as there are restrictions on supplying nuclear technology to North Korea. And the whole exercise could be put down to a
    false flag operation (Why would we sink our own ship?).

    ItrCOs all a bit murkyrCa
    --
    Spike
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jan 1 11:59:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 01/01/2026 10:51, Pancho wrote:
    The implication appears to be that the ship was sunk by a torpedo fired
    by a non-Russian enemy. The Russian landing ship cleaned up sometime afterwards.

    Why someone would think the Russians were sending sensitive military equipment from St Petersburg to Vladivostok via the Mediterranean,
    rather than internally, is a bit of a mystery to me.

    Well the Russian winter is a force to be reckoned with, as are the
    (partisan?) groups operating as saboteurs inside Russia.

    If they decided to ship it, the arctic route is closed, and the shortest
    way is via the Suez canal, otherwise.

    It's not an impossible decision given the shambolic nature of Russia,.
    --
    rCLThe urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
    urge to rule it.rCY
    rCo H. L. Mencken

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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to uk.d-i-y on Thu Jan 1 18:58:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 01/01/2026 10:51, Pancho wrote:
    On 1/1/26 01:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/01/2026 00:17, Spike wrote:
    <https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ursa-major-north-korea-and-nuclear-
    reactors-new-details-on-russian-vessel-sinking/>

    rCLAn inspection of the damage revealed a hole in the hull with metal
    deformed inward, indicating an external impact rather than an internal
    explosion.

    The size of the breach did not match that of a conventional torpedo, but >>> was consistent with a strike by a supercavitating armor-piercing torpedo >>> with a small or no warhead.

    Spanish authorities do not rule out the possibility that the
    interference
    was intended to disrupt a covert delivery of nuclear technology to KimrCOs >>> regime.rCY

    Hmmm.-a So who exactly was supposed to have, and choose to use, a
    supercavitating torpedo on an incapacitated target?

    Are we to suppose that Russia[1] equips its landing ships with these?
    In the very unlikely case that the landing ship just happened to have
    such a thing on board - and even less likely - a 21 inch torpedo tube
    from which to launch it, why would anyone use such an expensive device
    when low tech scuttling charges would be just as effective?

    [1] Iran also has some, procured from Russia, but it's hard to see
    their involvement in this.


    I think you have misread. The implication appears to be that the ship
    was sunk by a torpedo fired by a non-Russian enemy. The Russian landing
    ship cleaned up sometime afterwards.

    A non-Russian enemy which uses supercavitating torpedos[1] AND selects
    this particular weapon to sink a defenseless merchant ship?
    I don't buy that.

    The only nations known to have these weapons are Russia, Iran (bought
    from Russia) and Germany. I don't count Iran and Germany as serious contenders, and can't quite see why Russia would choose to use one here.

    P.S. Most modern torpedos (Non-supercavitating) are designed to not hit
    a ship, but to detonate under the ship's keel. They do more damage that
    way.

    Why someone would think the Russians were sending sensitive military equipment from St Petersburg to Vladivostok via the Mediterranean,
    rather than internally, is a bit of a mystery to me.

    Some items are really too big for road & rail. Transport over land for
    such a huge distance becomes disruptive to other cargo, so transport by
    sea becomes the preferred option.
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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