• OT:

    From mbailey888@mbailey888@protonmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sat Feb 28 15:19:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?

    Thanks,
    Mark
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Mar 1 15:42:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:

    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?
    Is it a CD10 or higher? google suggests +25 to +75%

    Oh, and I think you're expected to notify the insurer straight away,
    rather that just at renewal.
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  • From mbailey888@mbailey888@protonmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Sun Mar 1 17:49:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 15:42:07 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:

    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?
    Is it a CD10 or higher? google suggests +25 to +75%

    No idea. Are there different 'grades' of careless driving?

    Oh, and I think you're expected to notify the insurer straight away,
    rather that just at renewal.

    Typical!

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to uk.d-i-y on Sun Mar 1 18:56:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Is it a CD10 or higher?

    No idea. Are there different 'grades' of careless driving?

    CD10 up to CD90, hopefully nobody died? should be endorsed on your licence?

    <https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endorsements/endorsement-codes-and-penalty-points>


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  • From mbailey888@mbailey888@protonmail.com to uk.d-i-y on Mon Mar 2 00:22:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:16 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Is it a CD10 or higher?

    No idea. Are there different 'grades' of careless driving?

    CD10 up to CD90, hopefully nobody died? should be endorsed on your licence?

    <https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endorsements/endorsement-codes-and-penalty-points>

    I'll have to check. No, nobody was injured; just a few people behind
    me inconvenienced by my slow speed, that's all.
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Mon Mar 2 10:08:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 02/03/2026 00:22, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 18:56:16 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Is it a CD10 or higher?

    No idea. Are there different 'grades' of careless driving?

    CD10 up to CD90, hopefully nobody died? should be endorsed on your licence? >>
    <https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endorsements/endorsement-codes-and-penalty-points>

    I'll have to check. No, nobody was injured; just a few people behind
    me inconvenienced by my slow speed, that's all.


    You can check your licence and convictions (points etc.) https://www.viewdrivingrecord.service.gov.uk/driving-record/licence-number

    You need your licence number, your national insurance number and the
    postcode on the licence.
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  • From Kempshott@kempshott@invalid.uk to uk.d-i-y on Mon Mar 2 15:06:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?

    Thanks,
    Mark

    Just go to one of the comparison sites and get quotes with and without
    the endorsement.

    Use a fake name and nearby address if you prefer.


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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Mon Mar 2 18:08:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 02/03/2026 15:06, Kempshott wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?

    Thanks,
    Mark

    Just go to one of the comparison sites and get quotes with and without
    the endorsement.

    Use a fake name and nearby address if you prefer.



    Probably better to clear the cookies for that site between and after the searches.

    The problem with comparison sites is that they will tell you to go to
    the insurer to provide more information for the offence which may change
    the quote you are initially given.
    --
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  • From Nick Finnigan@nix@genie.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Mon Mar 2 22:17:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 02/03/2026 18:08, alan_m wrote:
    On 02/03/2026 15:06, Kempshott wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?


    Just go to one of the comparison sites and get quotes with and without
    the endorsement.

    Use a fake name and nearby address if you prefer.

    Probably better to clear the cookies for that site between and after the searches.

    The problem with comparison sites is that they will tell you to go to the insurer to provide more information for the offence which may change the quote you are initially given.

    Not for (someone very similar to) me, the prices were about -u50 higher
    with a single recent CD10.

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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Tue Mar 3 00:52:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 02/03/2026 22:17, Nick Finnigan wrote:
    On 02/03/2026 18:08, alan_m wrote:
    On 02/03/2026 15:06, Kempshott wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my >>>> car insurance come renewal time?


    Just go to one of the comparison sites and get quotes with and
    without the endorsement.

    Use a fake name and nearby address if you prefer.

    Probably better to clear the cookies for that site between and after
    the searches.

    The problem with comparison sites is that they will tell you to go to
    the insurer to provide more information for the offence which may
    change the quote you are initially given.

    -aNot for (someone very similar to) me, the prices were about -u50 higher with a single recent CD10.



    Like for like car insurance prices fell by around 12% vs a year ago.

    That didn't stop my insurance company quoting approx a 25% hike in my
    renewal quote. Shopping around got the price down to less than I paid
    last year, and for a slightly better policy.
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  • From mm0fmf@none@invalid.com to uk.d-i-y on Tue Mar 3 09:08:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?

    Thanks,
    Mark

    Can we have your location, car model, registration etc. so we can look
    out for and avoid someone who, with 30 years experience, should know
    better and not be driving with such a windscreen?
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to uk.d-i-y on Tue Mar 3 10:49:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 03/03/2026 09:08, mm0fmf wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?

    Thanks,
    Mark

    Can we have your location, car model, registration etc. so we can look
    out for and avoid someone who, with 30 years experience, should know
    better and not be driving with such a windscreen?

    Bollocks. we all do that. It takes time to defrost a screen and not all
    of it is needful for a slow careful warmup drive - which is good for the engine anyway.
    We aren't fighting Heinkels at 15000 feet after all

    Frankly it is symptomatic of a police force who prosecute what is easy
    to prosecute and not what is actually beneficial to society.

    Theft, rape, muggings...they couldn't give a shit. 25mph in a 20mph zone
    and its a fine and a banning on you my lad.

    Years ago I reported all my speeding offecnces to my insurance company,
    And asked what difference it would make 'None' they said 'there is no correlation between people who get caught for speeding and accident
    rate. Driving without due care, or parking on the street in London, yes.
    Not speeding"
    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.


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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Wed Mar 4 09:30:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 03/03/2026 09:08, mm0fmf wrote:
    On 28/02/2026 15:19, mbailey888@protonmail.com wrote:
    I've had a clean licence for over 30 years, but last month I got
    stopped for driving with a misted up windscreen, spot fined and got 3
    points for "careless driving" (although I'd actually been driving
    *very* carefully on account of the fact I couldn't see where I was
    going very well). Any idea how much that difference that'll make to my
    car insurance come renewal time?

    Thanks,
    Mark

    Can we have your location, car model, registration etc. so we can look
    out for and avoid someone who, with 30 years experience, should know
    better and not be driving with such a windscreen?

    Bollocks. we all do that. It takes time to defrost a screen and not all
    of it is needful for a slow careful warmup drive - which is good for the engine anyway.
    We aren't fighting Heinkels at 15000 feet after all


    They have been replaced by Audis at 10, but anyway.
    One of our cars leaks, it doesnrCOt matter too much as it was my mothers and
    I got it when she gave up driving and it is mainly used as a motorised
    shopping cart or wheelbarrow.
    It leaked when new and is a known fault with Mk 1 Toyota AygorCOs and the Citro|2n and Renault
    versions . This Winter the damp caused a lot of condensation on the inside
    of the screen so I purchased a couple of those large bags of what I assume
    is silica gel with a colour change indicator on them. I was a bit
    skeptical as to how effective they would be but was pleasantly surprised to find that placed on the dash they did keep the inside of the screen clear.

    The OP may find a couple help.

    GH
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  • From Chris Hogg@me@privacy.net to uk.d-i-y on Wed Mar 4 12:15:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 4 Mar 2026 09:30:46 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:



    They have been replaced by Audis at 10, but anyway.
    One of our cars leaks, it doesnAt matter too much as it was my mothers and
    I got it when she gave up driving and it is mainly used as a motorised >shopping cart or wheelbarrow.
    It leaked when new and is a known fault with Mk 1 Toyota AygoAs and the >Citroon and Renault
    versions . This Winter the damp caused a lot of condensation on the inside
    of the screen so I purchased a couple of those large bags of what I assume
    is silica gel with a colour change indicator on them. I was a bit
    skeptical as to how effective they would be but was pleasantly surprised to >find that placed on the dash they did keep the inside of the screen clear.

    The OP may find a couple help.

    GH

    They do need regenerating once the blue silica gel turns pink. Do this
    by heating in a domestic oven at about 110#C for several hours until
    the gel goes blue again.
    --

    Chris
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  • From alan_m@junk@admac.myzen.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Wed Mar 4 15:13:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 04/03/2026 12:15, Chris Hogg wrote:
    On 4 Mar 2026 09:30:46 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:



    They have been replaced by Audis at 10, but anyway.
    One of our cars leaks, it doesnrCOt matter too much as it was my mothers and >> I got it when she gave up driving and it is mainly used as a motorised
    shopping cart or wheelbarrow.
    It leaked when new and is a known fault with Mk 1 Toyota AygorCOs and the >> Citro|2n and Renault
    versions . This Winter the damp caused a lot of condensation on the inside >> of the screen so I purchased a couple of those large bags of what I assume >> is silica gel with a colour change indicator on them. I was a bit
    skeptical as to how effective they would be but was pleasantly surprised to >> find that placed on the dash they did keep the inside of the screen clear. >>
    The OP may find a couple help.

    GH

    They do need regenerating once the blue silica gel turns pink. Do this
    by heating in a domestic oven at about 110-#C for several hours until
    the gel goes blue again.


    I have a heated front windscreen and this is used to initially demist
    the windscreen

    I find on my car cabin heating doesn't really happen until the engine is warm/hot. If the car has been left parked a while in damp conditions
    (perhaps as little as a couple of days) and then hot water is channelled
    into the damp cabin heater matrix water vapour starts misting up the windscreen again. By this time the front windscreen heater has been automatically switched off and if not quickly switched on again the
    windscreen can rapidly become opaque. It helps to have the AC switched
    on to dry the incoming outside air.
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  • From nib@news@ingram-bromley.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Wed Mar 4 15:29:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    On 2026-03-04 15:13, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/03/2026 12:15, Chris Hogg wrote:
    On 4 Mar 2026 09:30:46 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:



    They have been replaced by Audis at 10, but anyway.
    One of our cars leaks, it doesnrCOt matter too much as it was my
    mothers and
    I got it when she gave up driving and it is mainly used as a motorised
    shopping cart or wheelbarrow.
    It leaked when new and is a known fault with Mk 1 Toyota-a AygorCOs and the >>> Citro|2n and Renault
    versions . This Winter the damp caused a lot of condensation on the
    inside
    of the screen so I purchased a couple of those large bags of what I
    assume
    is silica gel with a colour change indicator on them.-a I was a bit
    skeptical as to how effective they would be but was pleasantly
    surprised to
    find that placed on the dash they did keep the inside-a of the screen
    clear.

    The OP may find a couple help.

    GH

    They do need regenerating once the blue silica gel turns pink. Do this
    by heating in a domestic oven at about 110-#C for several hours until
    the gel goes blue again.


    I have a heated front windscreen and this is used to initially demist
    the windscreen

    I find on my car cabin heating doesn't really happen until the engine is warm/hot. If the car has been left parked a while in damp conditions (perhaps as little as a couple of days) and then hot water is channelled into the damp cabin heater matrix water vapour starts misting up the windscreen again. By this time the front windscreen heater has been automatically switched off and if not quickly switched on again the windscreen can rapidly become opaque. It helps to have the AC switched
    on to dry the incoming outside air.


    What you need is an electric or hybrid and a home charger. Set a timer
    or just activate in advance and all warm, clear and dry when it's time
    to go, all off the mains. Can also be done off the battery.

    Even away from home, the instant start heater is almost as good as one
    of those heated windscreens.

    nib
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  • From Marland@gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk to uk.d-i-y on Wed Mar 4 15:57:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: uk.d-i-y

    Chris Hogg <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    On 4 Mar 2026 09:30:46 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
    wrote:



    They have been replaced by Audis at 10, but anyway.
    One of our cars leaks, it doesn-At matter too much as it was my mothers and >> I got it when she gave up driving and it is mainly used as a motorised
    shopping cart or wheelbarrow.
    It leaked when new and is a known fault with Mk 1 Toyota Aygo-As and the
    Citro|2n and Renault
    versions . This Winter the damp caused a lot of condensation on the inside >> of the screen so I purchased a couple of those large bags of what I assume >> is silica gel with a colour change indicator on them. I was a bit
    skeptical as to how effective they would be but was pleasantly surprised to >> find that placed on the dash they did keep the inside of the screen clear. >>
    The OP may find a couple help.

    GH

    They do need regenerating once the blue silica gel turns pink. Do this
    by heating in a domestic oven at about 110-#C for several hours until
    the gel goes blue again.


    I find leaving them close to the woodburner from evening till morning also
    does the job,
    and using free wood is cheaper than using an oven.

    GH
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