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One very minor, but really nice touch with Sequoia was that if you
"Quick looked" an image file and then clicked the "Open with Preview"
button, the image remained exactly where it was as control changed to
Preview.

The image is so stable the effect is more like the Preview title bar and
frame opening /around/ the image. Very subtle and very nice.

Tahoe? It's pants - the image flickers horribly as it is redrawn and
sometimes the desktop even shows as a brief flash as the QuickLook image
is removed before Preview is ready to go.

<sigh>
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Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, England

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On 17 Sep 2025, Bruce wrote
(in article<0742677b-3df6-4434-b8a7-20c28a143cdd@scorecrow.com>):

Tahoe? It's pants - the image flickers horribly as it is redrawn and sometimes the desktop even shows as a brief flash as the QuickLook image
is removed before Preview is ready to go.

Just tested - not seeing that here, the jpg remains the same in the centre of the screen. What media type were you previewing?

IrCOm using Tahoe on an M2 MacBook at the moment. Honestly IrCOm sure it can do loads and loads of new things, but at the moment IrCOm using it in pretty much the same way as before since IrCOm using it for working-style tasks
right now, no chance to play with new features until the weekend.

So overall I think I like the look. DidnrCOt at first glance, but kinda sorta ok and will likely grow on me. IrCOm a dark mode user though, and some of the icons need a rethink. TerminalrCOs icon on a dark mode dock is barely
visible. It has butchered (ironically) the pig icon of Hogwasher but
otherwise ok. IrCOve

Safari tab highlight is very, very welcome after the impossible-to-distinguish-which-tab-is-frontmost nonsense of the last few OS revisions. ItrCOs still laughably hard to visually tell tell private browsing and normal window (again, dark mode - I donrCOt know for light). IrCOve submitted feedback on that, again. Likely to be ignore but donrCOt ask
donrCOt get.

I tried the new Phone app which is something I was looking forward to - it crashed while doing nothing (i.e. just running in the background) and then when I made a call to one of those annoying automated systems all I got was rCLI canrCOt hear what you saidrCY. Same call on the iPhone worked fine. IrCOve only tried to use Phone once, but it failed what I asked it to do. LetrCOs see if improves lated.

Contacts - amazingly, theyrCOve taken the most dated app in the toolbox and made it worse. It clearly thinks itrCOs running on a phone, and shows a contact sheet filling half the screen with an irrelevant, usually empty picture and hides the actual text - you need to scroll to see everything. It even gets the oversize blank image wrong - previous Contact versions if there was no contact image set it would show a person icon for an individual, or if yourCOde selected rCyCompanyrCO in the details it would show some office buildings. This one just shows a blank person icon, ignores the company icon. And it is so terribly, terribly slow and flickery redrawing things, plus the slab of colour on the main contact looks ridiculous next to the unchanged blank background lists to the left . IrCOve been wishing for a Contacts
update for ages - this is not the update I was looking for.

Finder - I can relieve the glory days of System 7 and the Folder Icon Maker utility I used to use all the time! This bit is an unequivocal win for me - adding icons/emoji to a folder is now completely simple and works really
well. Very nice.

Volume indicator/mute - utter shambles, bring it back to the centre where it belongs please. Stop pretending IrCOm on a phone and using phone graphical displays tucked to the edge of the monitor.

Live Activities will be nice, I use phone mirroring to track Deliveroo for instance, so next time I use one that will be a benefit.

Games app - launched it, thought whatrCOs the point, quit it. TheyrCOve done none of the actual hard work to produce a games environment, like moving
games into a /Games folder instead of /Applications, providing a way to fake ~/Documents/<some game> and force it to be moved to ~/Application Support/<some game> (or if they want cloud sync, maybe a ~/Games folder and allow it to be
synced like Documents and Desktop). ItrCOs just a fairly lazy launcher/advert front.

HavenrCOt tried Journal. I do have some very old Day One stuff that IrCOve kept waiting to archive, so I might look now itrCOs on the Mac. IrCOm not really the target market for this though.

Overall - kinda like the look, love the change in Safari tabs, disappointed still no private browsing/normal browsing visual distinction for dark mode, and some icons need a rethink. ThatrCOs my impression so far anyway.

Cheers,
Ian


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On 17/09/2025 14:18, Ian McCall wrote:

On 17 Sep 2025, Bruce wrote
(in article<0742677b-3df6-4434-b8a7-20c28a143cdd@scorecrow.com>):

Tahoe? It's pants - the image flickers horribly as it is redrawn and
sometimes the desktop even shows as a brief flash as the QuickLook image
is removed before Preview is ready to go.

Just tested - not seeing that here, the jpg remains the same in the centre of the screen. What media type were you previewing?

Just a simple jpeg. This is on an M4 Mini. It used to be super smooth -
now it flickers away as badly as the intel Mini, for me at least.

IrCOm using Tahoe on an M2 MacBook at the moment. Honestly IrCOm sure it can do loads and loads of new things, but at the moment IrCOm using it in pretty much the same way as before since IrCOm using it for working-style tasks right now, no chance to play with new features until the weekend.

So overall I think I like the look. DidnrCOt at first glance, but kinda sorta ok and will likely grow on me. IrCOm a dark mode user though, and some of the icons need a rethink. TerminalrCOs icon on a dark mode dock is barely visible. It has butchered (ironically) the pig icon of Hogwasher but otherwise ok. IrCOve

Agree with this. I don't use dark mode and there are "phone like" UI
elements which are a pain.

But the new launcher seems to contradict the "make it like iOS" thing.
The old launcher, with a screenful of icons was quite similar to the
home view on a tablet. The new launcher moves away from that to
something that is barely distinguishable from a plain Finder view of the applications folder.

As someone said online: I want to hide the apps I'm not interested in.

Safari tab highlight is very, very welcome after the impossible-to-distinguish-which-tab-is-frontmost nonsense of the last few OS revisions. ItrCOs still laughably hard to visually tell tell private browsing and normal window (again, dark mode - I donrCOt know for light). IrCOve submitted feedback on that, again. Likely to be ignore but donrCOt ask donrCOt get.

In light mode, Safari private mode shows as a dark background to the URL
bar. The "left hand pane view" icon (top left, next to the traffic
lights) also says "Private".

I tried the new Phone app which is something I was looking forward to - it crashed while doing nothing (i.e. just running in the background) and then when I made a call to one of those annoying automated systems all I got was rCLI canrCOt hear what you saidrCY. Same call on the iPhone worked fine. IrCOve only tried to use Phone once, but it failed what I asked it to do. LetrCOs see if improves lated.

Contacts - amazingly, theyrCOve taken the most dated app in the toolbox and made it worse. It clearly thinks itrCOs running on a phone, and shows a contact sheet filling half the screen with an irrelevant, usually empty picture and hides the actual text - you need to scroll to see everything. It even gets the oversize blank image wrong - previous Contact versions if there was no contact image set it would show a person icon for an individual, or if yourCOde selected rCyCompanyrCO in the details it would show some office buildings. This one just shows a blank person icon, ignores the company icon. And it is so terribly, terribly slow and flickery redrawing things, plus the slab of colour on the main contact looks ridiculous next to the unchanged blank background lists to the left . IrCOve been wishing for a Contacts update for ages - this is not the update I was looking for.

Hah, I hadn't opened contacts until you said. Good grief, is all I can
say. A quick (ish) way to see the detail is to click the edit button.

Finder - I can relieve the glory days of System 7 and the Folder Icon Maker utility I used to use all the time! This bit is an unequivocal win for me - adding icons/emoji to a folder is now completely simple and works really well. Very nice.

Yes - that's fun. I can have a folder with a moustache on it. No idea
why but that's the point!

Volume indicator/mute - utter shambles, bring it back to the centre where it belongs please. Stop pretending IrCOm on a phone and using phone graphical displays tucked to the edge of the monitor.

Live Activities will be nice, I use phone mirroring to track Deliveroo for instance, so next time I use one that will be a benefit.

Games app - launched it, thought whatrCOs the point, quit it. TheyrCOve done none of the actual hard work to produce a games environment, like moving games into a /Games folder instead of /Applications, providing a way to fake ~/Documents/<some game> and force it to be moved to ~/Application Support/<some game> (or if they want cloud sync, maybe a ~/Games folder and allow it to be
synced like Documents and Desktop). ItrCOs just a fairly lazy launcher/advert front.

Don't play 'em so "whoosh". :-)

HavenrCOt tried Journal. I do have some very old Day One stuff that IrCOve kept waiting to archive, so I might look now itrCOs on the Mac. IrCOm not really the target market for this though.

Overall - kinda like the look, love the change in Safari tabs, disappointed still no private browsing/normal browsing visual distinction for dark mode, and some icons need a rethink. ThatrCOs my impression so far anyway.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, England
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On 17/09/2025 14:18, Ian McCall wrote:

On 17 Sep 2025, Bruce wrote
(in article<0742677b-3df6-4434-b8a7-20c28a143cdd@scorecrow.com>):

Tahoe? It's pants - the image flickers horribly as it is redrawn and
sometimes the desktop even shows as a brief flash as the QuickLook image
is removed before Preview is ready to go.

Just tested - not seeing that here, the jpg remains the same in the centre of the screen. What media type were you previewing?

Just a simple jpeg. This is on an M4 Mini. It used to be super smooth -
now it flickers away as badly as the intel Mini, for me at least.

IrCOm using Tahoe on an M2 MacBook at the moment. Honestly IrCOm sure it can do loads and loads of new things, but at the moment IrCOm using it in pretty much the same way as before since IrCOm using it for working-style tasks right now, no chance to play with new features until the weekend.

So overall I think I like the look. DidnrCOt at first glance, but kinda sorta ok and will likely grow on me. IrCOm a dark mode user though, and some of the icons need a rethink. TerminalrCOs icon on a dark mode dock is barely visible. It has butchered (ironically) the pig icon of Hogwasher but otherwise ok. IrCOve

Agree with this. I don't use dark mode and there are "phone like" UI
elements which are a pain.

But the new launcher seems to contradict the "make it like iOS" thing.
The old launcher, with a screenful of icons was quite similar to the
home view on a tablet. The new launcher moves away from that to
something that is barely distinguishable from a plain Finder view of the applications folder.

As someone said online: I want to hide the apps I'm not interested in.

Safari tab highlight is very, very welcome after the impossible-to-distinguish-which-tab-is-frontmost nonsense of the last few OS revisions. ItrCOs still laughably hard to visually tell tell private browsing and normal window (again, dark mode - I donrCOt know for light). IrCOve submitted feedback on that, again. Likely to be ignore but donrCOt ask donrCOt get.

In light mode, Safari private mode shows as a dark background to the URL
bar. The "left hand pane view" icon (top left, next to the traffic
lights) also says "Private".

I tried the new Phone app which is something I was looking forward to - it crashed while doing nothing (i.e. just running in the background) and then when I made a call to one of those annoying automated systems all I got was rCLI canrCOt hear what you saidrCY. Same call on the iPhone worked fine. IrCOve only tried to use Phone once, but it failed what I asked it to do. LetrCOs see if improves lated.

Contacts - amazingly, theyrCOve taken the most dated app in the toolbox and made it worse. It clearly thinks itrCOs running on a phone, and shows a contact sheet filling half the screen with an irrelevant, usually empty picture and hides the actual text - you need to scroll to see everything. It even gets the oversize blank image wrong - previous Contact versions if there was no contact image set it would show a person icon for an individual, or if yourCOde selected rCyCompanyrCO in the details it would show some office buildings. This one just shows a blank person icon, ignores the company icon. And it is so terribly, terribly slow and flickery redrawing things, plus the slab of colour on the main contact looks ridiculous next to the unchanged blank background lists to the left . IrCOve been wishing for a Contacts update for ages - this is not the update I was looking for.

Hah, I hadn't opened contacts until you said. Good grief, is all I can
say. A quick (ish) way to see the detail is to click the edit button.

Finder - I can relieve the glory days of System 7 and the Folder Icon Maker utility I used to use all the time! This bit is an unequivocal win for me - adding icons/emoji to a folder is now completely simple and works really well. Very nice.

Yes - that's fun. I can have a folder with a moustache on it. No idea
why but that's the point!

Volume indicator/mute - utter shambles, bring it back to the centre where it belongs please. Stop pretending IrCOm on a phone and using phone graphical displays tucked to the edge of the monitor.

Live Activities will be nice, I use phone mirroring to track Deliveroo for instance, so next time I use one that will be a benefit.

Games app - launched it, thought whatrCOs the point, quit it. TheyrCOve done none of the actual hard work to produce a games environment, like moving games into a /Games folder instead of /Applications, providing a way to fake ~/Documents/<some game> and force it to be moved to ~/Application Support/<some game> (or if they want cloud sync, maybe a ~/Games folder and allow it to be
synced like Documents and Desktop). ItrCOs just a fairly lazy launcher/advert front.

Don't play 'em so "whoosh". :-)

HavenrCOt tried Journal. I do have some very old Day One stuff that IrCOve kept waiting to archive, so I might look now itrCOs on the Mac. IrCOm not really the target market for this though.

Overall - kinda like the look, love the change in Safari tabs, disappointed still no private browsing/normal browsing visual distinction for dark mode, and some icons need a rethink. ThatrCOs my impression so far anyway.

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Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, England
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On 17 Sep 2025 at 14:18:32 BST, Ian McCall wrote:

On 17 Sep 2025, Bruce wrote
(in article<0742677b-3df6-4434-b8a7-20c28a143cdd@scorecrow.com>):

Tahoe? It's pants - the image flickers horribly as it is redrawn and
sometimes the desktop even shows as a brief flash as the QuickLook image
is removed before Preview is ready to go.

Just tested - not seeing that here, the jpg remains the same in the centre of the screen. What media type were you previewing?

IrCOm using Tahoe on an M2 MacBook at the moment. Honestly IrCOm sure it can do loads and loads of new things, but at the moment IrCOm using it in pretty much the same way as before since IrCOm using it for working-style tasks right now, no chance to play with new features until the weekend.

So overall I think I like the look.

I think it's OK - M4 Mac Mini and BenQ monitor:

Had to switch off the 'liquid' transparency in Accessibility settings. I find the foreground is too washed out in/around the Notifications and Control menu drop-downs;

Contacts - they seem to have made a right Horlicks of that. Proper style over substance;

Accented windows - cheap looking white fringing looks ridiculous. Maybe it'll grow on me . . .
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Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
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On 17 Sep 2025, Ian McCall wrote
(in article<0001HW.2E7AECA80084C0293063B238F@news.individual.net>):

Contacts - amazingly, theyrCOve taken the most dated app in the toolbox and made it worse. It clearly thinks itrCOs running on a phone, and shows a contact sheet filling half the screen with an irrelevant, usually empty picture and hides the actual text - you need to scroll to see everything. It even gets the oversize blank image wrong - previous Contact versions if there was no contact image set it would show a person icon for an individual, or if yourCOde selected rCyCompanyrCO in the details it would show some office buildings. This one just shows a blank person icon, ignores the company icon. And it is so terribly, terribly slow and flickery redrawing things, plus the slab of colour on the main contact looks ridiculous next to the unchanged blank background lists to the left . IrCOve been wishing for a Contacts update for ages - this is not the update I was looking for.

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

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In article
<0001HW.2E8C2634003447E730A94338F@news.eternal-september.org>,
Martin S Taylor <hogwash@mRaErMtOiVnEstaylor.TcHoImS> wrote:

On 17 Sep 2025, Ian McCall wrote
(in article<0001HW.2E7AECA80084C0293063B238F@news.individual.net>):

Contacts - amazingly, theyrCOve taken the most dated app in the toolbox and made it worse. It clearly thinks itrCOs running on a phone, and shows a contact sheet filling half the screen with an irrelevant, usually empty picture and hides the actual text - you need to scroll to see everything. It
even gets the oversize blank image wrong - previous Contact versions if there
was no contact image set it would show a person icon for an individual, or if
yourCOde selected rCyCompanyrCO in the details it would show some office buildings. This one just shows a blank person icon, ignores the company icon.
And it is so terribly, terribly slow and flickery redrawing things, plus the
slab of colour on the main contact looks ridiculous next to the unchanged blank background lists to the left . IrCOve been wishing for a Contacts update for ages - this is not the update I was looking for.

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve
never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

I ran into the same issue. Hoping it's something that gets resolved.
Just installed the first update to Tahoe last night so they're clearly
working out the kinks already, haha.
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On 30 Sep 2025, Smithwicks wrote
(in article<user-943E11.12042430092025@news.eternal-september.org>):

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a
photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve
never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

I ran into the same issue. Hoping it's something that gets resolved.
Just installed the first update to Tahoe last night so they're clearly working out the kinks already, haha.

Well, good.

And another thing...

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours. Except that for me, and certainly for some others it stops working after a few hours, and you have ato reboot to get it working again..

MST

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On 01/10/2025 08:11, Martin S Taylor wrote:

On 30 Sep 2025, Smithwicks wrote
(in article<user-943E11.12042430092025@news.eternal-september.org>):

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a
photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve
never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

I ran into the same issue. Hoping it's something that gets resolved.
Just installed the first update to Tahoe last night so they're clearly
working out the kinks already, haha.

Well, good.

And another thing...

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours. Except that for me, and certainly for some others it stops working after a few hours, and you have ato reboot to get it working again..

MST

And it might be nice if you could still get a finder window with all the results.
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On 1 Oct 2025 at 08:11:31 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <hogwash@mRaErMtOiVnEstaylor.TcHoImS> wrote:

On 30 Sep 2025, Smithwicks wrote
(in article<user-943E11.12042430092025@news.eternal-september.org>):

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a
photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve
never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

I ran into the same issue. Hoping it's something that gets resolved.
Just installed the first update to Tahoe last night so they're clearly
working out the kinks already, haha.

Well, good.

And another thing...

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours. Except that for me,
and certainly for some others it stops working after a few hours, and you have
ato reboot to get it working again..

YOU'RE NOT SELLING IT TO ME.

Daniele
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In article <0001HW.2E8D0BA3006389C030DD2638F@news.eternal-september.org>, Martin S Taylor <hogwash@mRaErMtOiVnEstaylor.TcHoImS> wrote:

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers >everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours.

Is there a way to disable this? I don't want confidential information
stored.

-- Richard
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On 1 Oct 2025 at 22:12:52 BST, D.M. Procida wrote:

On 1 Oct 2025 at 08:11:31 BST, "Martin S Taylor" <hogwash@mRaErMtOiVnEstaylor.TcHoImS> wrote:

On 30 Sep 2025, Smithwicks wrote
(in article<user-943E11.12042430092025@news.eternal-september.org>):

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a
photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve
never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

I ran into the same issue. Hoping it's something that gets resolved.
Just installed the first update to Tahoe last night so they're clearly
working out the kinks already, haha.

Well, good.

And another thing...

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers
everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours. Except that for me,
and certainly for some others it stops working after a few hours, and you have
ato reboot to get it working again..

YOU'RE NOT SELLING IT TO ME.

Nor me. It looks too convoluted. Copyclip continues to work fine.
--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK
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On 2 Oct 2025 at 06:50:57 BST, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

On 1 Oct 2025 at 22:12:52 BST, D.M. Procida wrote:

On 1 Oct 2025 at 08:11:31 BST, "Martin S Taylor"
<hogwash@mRaErMtOiVnEstaylor.TcHoImS> wrote:

On 30 Sep 2025, Smithwicks wrote
(in article<user-943E11.12042430092025@news.eternal-september.org>):

Is it possible to add a photo to a contact? In Sequoia you could just drag a
photo from your desktop to the contact.

It seems that under Tahoe you have to put the photo into Photos (an app IrCOve
never used) before you can add it to a contact.

Or am I missing something?

MST

I ran into the same issue. Hoping it's something that gets resolved.
Just installed the first update to Tahoe last night so they're clearly >>>> working out the kinks already, haha.

Well, good.

And another thing...

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers
everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours. Except that for me,
and certainly for some others it stops working after a few hours, and you have
ato reboot to get it working again..

YOU'RE NOT SELLING IT TO ME.

Nor me. It looks too convoluted. Copyclip continues to work fine.

That has been the case for several upgrades lately. Some have brought welcome improvements but all have brought added "features" which add complexity but
not benefit.

So much for the KISS principle!

Old John (Master Luddite).
--
An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.
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On 2025-10-01, Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

In article <0001HW.2E8D0BA3006389C030DD2638F@news.eternal-september.org>, Martin S Taylor <hogwash@mRaErMtOiVnEstaylor.TcHoImS> wrote:

I really like the new Spotlight feature, especially that it remembers >>everything that has been on the clipboard for a few hours.

Is there a way to disable this? I don't want confidential information stored.

According to this website:

<https://support.ntiva.com/hc/en-us/articles/39853826658701-macOS-Tahoe-Disable-Clipboard-History-in-Spotlight>

It can be toggled at the bottom of System Settings > Spotlight ->
Clipboard Search. The default seems to be off and that's what I'm
seeing. There is still an option to delete Spotlight's search history
in System Settings.
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Cheers, Alan
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