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    From MarkE@me22over7@gmail.com to talk-origins on Mon Dec 15 23:40:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    Q. If you were to press the strongest ID arguments, what would they be?

    A. (ChatGPT 5.2): https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6940014556bc8191904d54ccf6735c7b

    ...

    Executive overview

    The strongest ID arguments do not rest on:

    - rCLGaps in the fossil recordrCY
    - rCLEvolution violates the Second LawrCY
    - rCLWe canrCOt imagine how X evolvedrCY

    They rest on three deep claims:

    1. The origin of novel, functionally specific information
    2. Systems-level irreducible coordination at the molecular scale
    3. The absence of demonstrated creative power in known evolutionary
    mechanisms

    These arguments aim not at descent with modification, but at the
    sufficiency of unguided mechanisms to produce new integrated biological systems.

    ...

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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Mon Dec 15 09:41:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 12/15/2025 6:40 AM, MarkE wrote:
    Q. If you were to press the strongest ID arguments, what would they be?

    A. (ChatGPT 5.2): https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6940014556bc8191904d54ccf6735c7b

    ...

    Executive overview

    The strongest ID arguments do not rest on:

    - rCLGaps in the fossil recordrCY
    - rCLEvolution violates the Second LawrCY
    - rCLWe canrCOt imagine how X evolvedrCY

    They rest on three deep claims:

    1. The origin of novel, functionally specific information
    2. Systems-level irreducible coordination at the molecular scale
    3. The absence of demonstrated creative power in known evolutionary mechanisms

    These arguments aim not at descent with modification, but at the
    sufficiency of unguided mechanisms to produce new integrated biological systems.

    ...


    Why would any honest religious person support a stupid bait and switch
    scam that the ID perps have been running on their own creationist
    support base for over 23 years. You know for an absolute fact, that
    they have been doing that for over two decades, so what could be any
    possible reason for supporting the scam?

    The ID perps claim that the Top Six are their best evidences for the ID
    scam, and all six were god of the gaps stupidity used by the scientific creationists that came before the ID perp creationist scam artists.

    The problem with the current AI is that they believe the lies. They do
    not differentiate between a lie and reality. The AI takes the ID scam propaganda that the ID perps use to support their dishonest bait and
    switch effort without regard to whether or not it has a basis in reality.

    The ID perps do not run the bait and switch on the science side, but
    they run the scam on their own creationist support base. Creationist
    like you have always been the victims of the bait and switch. You have watched the bait and switch go down 100% of the time, and you can still
    do what you do after all the other IDiots quit supporting the scam when
    they realized that they had never wanted the ID perps to succeed in
    producing any valid ID science. The crazy fact is that the rubes do not
    even want to teach the ID science. #1 of the Top Six is the Big Bang
    and the creationist rubes have already tried to remove the Big Bang from
    their state's science standards in several statesj, and they succeeded
    in Kansas. None of them would want to teach the Top Six as the best
    evidence for ID, just as Kalk, Bill, and Pagano couldn't deal with the
    Top Six when confronted by the reality of what the ID perps were
    selling. Filling the Top Six gaps in the order in which they must have occurred in this universe would just have been more science for
    creationist like yourself to deny. It is why you have to lie to
    yourself about why you support the origin of life gap denial when
    filling that gap would mean that the Bible is just wrong about the creation.

    Ron Okimoto


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  • From MarkE@me22over7@gmail.com to talk-origins on Tue Dec 16 08:52:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 16/12/2025 2:41 am, RonO wrote:
    On 12/15/2025 6:40 AM, MarkE wrote:
    Q. If you were to press the strongest ID arguments, what would they be?

    A. (ChatGPT 5.2): https://chatgpt.com/s/
    t_6940014556bc8191904d54ccf6735c7b

    ...

    Executive overview

    The strongest ID arguments do not rest on:

    - rCLGaps in the fossil recordrCY
    - rCLEvolution violates the Second LawrCY
    - rCLWe canrCOt imagine how X evolvedrCY

    They rest on three deep claims:

    1. The origin of novel, functionally specific information
    2. Systems-level irreducible coordination at the molecular scale
    3. The absence of demonstrated creative power in known evolutionary
    mechanisms

    These arguments aim not at descent with modification, but at the
    sufficiency of unguided mechanisms to produce new integrated
    biological systems.

    ...


    Why would any honest religious person support a stupid bait and switch
    scam that the ID perps have been running on their own creationist
    support base for over 23 years.-a You know for an absolute fact, that
    they have been doing that for over two decades, so what could be any possible reason for supporting the scam?

    The ID perps claim that the Top Six are their best evidences for the ID scam, and all six were god of the gaps stupidity used by the scientific creationists that came before the ID perp creationist scam artists.

    The problem with the current AI is that they believe the lies.-a They do
    not differentiate between a lie and reality.-a The AI takes the ID scam propaganda that the ID perps use to support their dishonest bait and
    switch effort without regard to whether or not it has a basis in reality.

    The ID perps do not run the bait and switch on the science side, but
    they run the scam on their own creationist support base.-a Creationist
    like you have always been the victims of the bait and switch.-a You have watched the bait and switch go down 100% of the time, and you can still
    do what you do after all the other IDiots quit supporting the scam when
    they realized that they had never wanted the ID perps to succeed in producing any valid ID science.-a The crazy fact is that the rubes do not even want to teach the ID science.-a #1 of the Top Six is the Big Bang
    and the creationist rubes have already tried to remove the Big Bang from their state's science standards in several statesj, and they succeeded
    in Kansas.-a None of them would want to teach the Top Six as the best evidence for ID, just as Kalk, Bill, and Pagano couldn't deal with the
    Top Six when confronted by the reality of what the ID perps were
    selling.-a Filling the Top Six gaps in the order in which they must have occurred in this universe would just have been more science for
    creationist like yourself to deny.-a It is why you have to lie to
    yourself about why you support the origin of life gap denial when
    filling that gap would mean that the Bible is just wrong about the
    creation.

    Ron Okimoto



    Ron, AI is passing the Turing test with honours: its responses are not
    only indistinguishable from yours, they are more coherent, substantial, interesting and compelling.



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  • From RonO@rokimoto557@gmail.com to talk-origins on Mon Dec 15 20:37:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: talk.origins

    On 12/15/2025 3:52 PM, MarkE wrote:
    On 16/12/2025 2:41 am, RonO wrote:
    On 12/15/2025 6:40 AM, MarkE wrote:
    Q. If you were to press the strongest ID arguments, what would they be?

    A. (ChatGPT 5.2): https://chatgpt.com/s/
    t_6940014556bc8191904d54ccf6735c7b

    ...

    Executive overview

    The strongest ID arguments do not rest on:

    - rCLGaps in the fossil recordrCY
    - rCLEvolution violates the Second LawrCY
    - rCLWe canrCOt imagine how X evolvedrCY

    They rest on three deep claims:

    1. The origin of novel, functionally specific information
    2. Systems-level irreducible coordination at the molecular scale
    3. The absence of demonstrated creative power in known evolutionary
    mechanisms

    These arguments aim not at descent with modification, but at the
    sufficiency of unguided mechanisms to produce new integrated
    biological systems.

    ...


    Why would any honest religious person support a stupid bait and switch
    scam that the ID perps have been running on their own creationist
    support base for over 23 years.-a You know for an absolute fact, that
    they have been doing that for over two decades, so what could be any
    possible reason for supporting the scam?

    The ID perps claim that the Top Six are their best evidences for the
    ID scam, and all six were god of the gaps stupidity used by the
    scientific creationists that came before the ID perp creationist scam
    artists.

    The problem with the current AI is that they believe the lies.-a They
    do not differentiate between a lie and reality.-a The AI takes the ID
    scam propaganda that the ID perps use to support their dishonest bait
    and switch effort without regard to whether or not it has a basis in
    reality.

    The ID perps do not run the bait and switch on the science side, but
    they run the scam on their own creationist support base.-a Creationist
    like you have always been the victims of the bait and switch.-a You
    have watched the bait and switch go down 100% of the time, and you can
    still do what you do after all the other IDiots quit supporting the
    scam when they realized that they had never wanted the ID perps to
    succeed in producing any valid ID science.-a The crazy fact is that the
    rubes do not even want to teach the ID science.-a #1 of the Top Six is
    the Big Bang and the creationist rubes have already tried to remove
    the Big Bang from their state's science standards in several statesj,
    and they succeeded in Kansas.-a None of them would want to teach the
    Top Six as the best evidence for ID, just as Kalk, Bill, and Pagano
    couldn't deal with the Top Six when confronted by the reality of what
    the ID perps were selling.-a Filling the Top Six gaps in the order in
    which they must have occurred in this universe would just have been
    more science for creationist like yourself to deny.-a It is why you
    have to lie to yourself about why you support the origin of life gap
    denial when filling that gap would mean that the Bible is just wrong
    about the creation.

    Ron Okimoto



    Ron, AI is passing the Turing test with honours: its responses are not
    only indistinguishable from yours, they are more coherent, substantial, interesting and compelling.




    Mark, you know that you are just lying to yourself. The facts are the
    facts. You know that the bait and switch has been going down for over 2 decades, and lying about the situation is just crazy and dishonest at
    this time. What have the ID perps done with ID except use it as bait?
    You can't name anything because they don't even want to deliver any
    valid science because they know that it would just be more science to
    deny. Why can't you explain what filling the origin of life gap would
    do to your Biblical beliefs? The ID perps have always had that same
    objection to delivering any real science. Sewell couldn't even stand
    the original Top Six and had to drop the Cambrian Explosion and the
    flagellum as a designed machine and place the others out of temporal
    order, because he knows that the rubes can't accept some god being
    responsible for evolving a bunch of animals within a 25 million year
    period over half a billion years ago, and they definitely do not want to
    know about some designer messing with microbes over a billion years ago
    to design the flagellum evolving 3 neutral mutations in the same cell
    lineage in a given period of time to do it.

    Ron Okimoto

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