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They found a 74% lower risk of death from severe Covid and a 25% lower
risk of death from any cause among the vaccinated. My guess is that the
lower risk of death to other causes was due to misdiagnosis of covid associated deaths in patients with other preexisting conditions.

Ron Okimoto

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On 12/11/2025 4:58 AM, Ernest Major wrote:

On 10/12/2025 22:49, RonO wrote:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/mrna-covid-vaccines-tied-drop-
death- rate-4-years

They found a 74% lower risk of death from severe Covid and a 25% lower
risk of death from any cause among the vaccinated.-a My guess is that
the lower risk of death to other causes was due to misdiagnosis of
covid associated deaths in patients with other preexisting conditions.

The healthy vaccinee effect could account for some of the difference. So could long COVID associated mortality.

Table 2 shows consistently higher death rates among the unvaccinated,
with the single exception of deaths from suicide and other self-
inflicted injuries. The last is so close that I doubt that it is statistically significant; some of the other lines have higher odds
ratios but so few cases that they may also not be statistically
significant.

The unvaccinated are more likely to die from car crashes, falls and drowning.

France must have had their share of willfully ignorant and just plain
stupid Trumpies. It was tragically lame that so many Trumpies were anti vaccination in the US. Some of them were even stupid enough to overdose
on ivermectin when it didn't do anything except send them to the
hospital. Trump was the guy that gave the vaccine companies the money
to create the vaccines. It was about the only thing that he did right
during the Covid crisis, and he likely did it because he didn't think
that it would work. Trump was in denial of what was happening at that
time, and did not believe that Covid was a major issue, and a lot of his supporters became anti vaccination. They are likely the type to die in
self inflicted accidents.

The authors conclude "While the consistent negative association, even
after extensive adjustment and calibration, suggests that residual confounding may persist, a causal link between mRNA vaccination and
excess long-term mortality appears highly unlikely."

There doesn't seem to be much evidence that vaccination had any long
term effects except survival.

Ron Okimoto

Ron Okimoto

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 09:24:51 -0600, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

[...]

Trump was in denial of what was happening at that
time, and did not believe that Covid was a major issue, and a lot of his >supporters became anti vaccination. They are likely the type to die in
self inflicted accidents.

Darwinism at its very best :)

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On 12/11/2025 9:57 AM, Martin Harran wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 09:24:51 -0600, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

[...]

Trump was in denial of what was happening at that
time, and did not believe that Covid was a major issue, and a lot of his
supporters became anti vaccination. They are likely the type to die in
self inflicted accidents.

Darwinism at its very best :)

It was very weak selection, and didn't put a significant dent in the population. Even though the unvaccinated where dying at a rate over 10
times that of the vaccinated that was still only less than 1% of the
infected. Once they survived infection they were essentially naturally immunized and just had a death rate just slightly higher than the
vaccinated. They were still more likely to die and have severe symptoms likely because the updated vaccines were a better match for the virus
that was constantly evolving, so the vaccines were better than having
natural immunity to a sequence that was no longer as relevant.

Ron Okimoto

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On 12/10/2025 4:49 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/mrna-covid-vaccines-tied-drop-death- rate-4-years

They found a 74% lower risk of death from severe Covid and a 25% lower
risk of death from any cause among the vaccinated.-a My guess is that the lower risk of death to other causes was due to misdiagnosis of covid associated deaths in patients with other preexisting conditions.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/cdc-covid-shot-study-protects-health-kids-severe-illness-rcna248683

The CDC study indicates that the 2024-2025 covid vaccine reduced serious illness by 76% in children. They only compared kids that were
vaccinated during this time period to those that had not been
vaccinated. They did not consider previous infections or vaccinations,
only the effectiveness of the vaccine during this time period on a
background where most of the kids have already been infected at least once.

It has been known for some time that booster vaccinations are effective,
and this is likely due to the mRNA vaccine companies making the correct choices in what variants they put into the vaccine. They started
putting multiple sequences matching the virus that were spreading the
fastest. It looks like a winning strategy.

Ron Okimoto

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On 12/10/2025 4:49 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/mrna-covid-vaccines-tied-drop-death- rate-4-years

They found a 74% lower risk of death from severe Covid and a 25% lower
risk of death from any cause among the vaccinated.-a My guess is that the lower risk of death to other causes was due to misdiagnosis of covid associated deaths in patients with other preexisting conditions.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-hospitalization-tied-69-higher-risk-death-2-years

An Israeli study found that if you were hospitalized for Covid that you
had a 69% higher risk of death for up for up to 2 years. This could be associated with the French vaccination study because vacinnated had a
much lower rate of hospitalization due to Covid infection.

Ron Okimoto

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On 12/13/25 8:01 AM, RonO wrote:

On 12/10/2025 4:49 PM, RonO wrote:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/mrna-covid-vaccines-tied-drop-death- rate-4-years

They found a 74% lower risk of death from severe Covid and a 25% lower
risk of death from any cause among the vaccinated.-a My guess is that
the lower risk of death to other causes was due to misdiagnosis of
covid associated deaths in patients with other preexisting conditions.

Ron Okimoto

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-hospitalization-tied-69-higher-risk-death-2-years

An Israeli study found that if you were hospitalized for Covid that you
had a 69% higher risk of death for up for up to 2 years.-a This could be associated with the French vaccination study because vacinnated had a
much lower rate of hospitalization due to Covid infection.

Ron Okimoto

Hospitalization is a last resort. Doctors are aware of this; many
people there are sick, are are risks to people who aren't or are sick
with a different infection.

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