On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments of
DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced.
Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past introgressions
with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem to have interbred
with a population of Homo that left Africa around a half a million
years before them.-a Neanderthals apparently interbred with humans from
Africa around 250,000 years ago.-a Some extant modern humans are
descendants of hybrids with Denisovans and have bits of Denisovan DNA
and the more archaic Homo genome.-a All of the extant humans descended
from those that left Africa around 60,000 years ago have bits of
Neanderthal DNA in their genomes as well as bits of DNA from the
previous migration out of Africa (250,000 years ago) that we got from
Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and extant
genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago.
Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo that
they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and
interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population died
out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.-a Previous
estimates of this interbreeding event have been between 200,000 and
500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to
60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it
out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of this
Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous out of
Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans interbreeding
with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years ago and since the
interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these instances seem to be dead
ends that haven't left evidence in extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in Indonesia
and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we knew about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought to be just part of
the variation that left Africa even though you can't find them in Africa
nor among the fossils of the early immigrants that left Africa.-a I just
saw a picture of Trump with the wind blowing his hair back, and he has
the sloped forehead of Neanderthal and Homo erectus.-a Neanderthals had a larger cranial capacity than modern humans, but they didn't have foreheads.-a Looking at Trump with his adult offspring you can tell that they got their foreheads from their mother.-a It is just an indication
that physical traits and not just Neanderthal DNA are still segregating
in the modern human population.-a Trump styles his hair to hide this
feature so my guess is that he is aware that he has this cosmetic
feature of Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't look
like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a dominant phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
On 11/14/2025 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:
On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-president-children
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments of
DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced.
Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past
introgressions with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem to
have interbred with a population of Homo that left Africa around a
half a million years before them.-a Neanderthals apparently interbred
with humans from Africa around 250,000 years ago.-a Some extant modern
humans are descendants of hybrids with Denisovans and have bits of
Denisovan DNA and the more archaic Homo genome.-a All of the extant
humans descended from those that left Africa around 60,000 years ago
have bits of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes as well as bits of DNA
from the previous migration out of Africa (250,000 years ago) that we
got from Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and extant
genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago.
Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo that
they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and
interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population died
out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.-a Previous
estimates of this interbreeding event have been between 200,000 and
500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to
60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it
out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of this
Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous out of
Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans interbreeding
with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years ago and since the
interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these instances seem to be dead
ends that haven't left evidence in extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in
Indonesia and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we knew
about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought to be
just part of the variation that left Africa even though you can't find
them in Africa nor among the fossils of the early immigrants that left
Africa.-a I just saw a picture of Trump with the wind blowing his hair
back, and he has the sloped forehead of Neanderthal and Homo erectus.
Neanderthals had a larger cranial capacity than modern humans, but
they didn't have foreheads.-a Looking at Trump with his adult offspring
you can tell that they got their foreheads from their mother.-a It is
just an indication that physical traits and not just Neanderthal DNA
are still segregating in the modern human population.-a Trump styles
his hair to hide this feature so my guess is that he is aware that he
has this cosmetic feature of Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't look
like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a dominant
phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
A picture of Trump with his kids.-a Trumps hairdo hides the difference between his forehead and all of theirs.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/09/an-illustrated-history-of-donald-trumps-hair
Vanity Fair notes the strange way Trump styles his hair, but they do not note that it is to hide his sloped forehead, but you can tell in the
picture on the right that he does not have the forehead that his
children and most of the Modern human population have.-a The article is paywalled, and I did not pay to read the full article to determine what
they concluded about Trump's hair style.
Gish used to claim that if you put a hat on a Neanderthal that he would
go unnoticed in the population.-a They had much larger noses, brow
ridges, a sloped forehead and a skull that was more football shaped.
Ron Okimoto
On 11/18/25 7:18 AM, RonO wrote:
On 11/14/2025 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:Are you suggesting that Trump has more than his share of Neanderthal genes?-a Let's not allow this to become a racist question; could be insulting to Neanderthals.-a My impression is that most people not now living in sub-Saharan Africa have Neanderthal or Denisovan genetic
On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments of
DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced.
Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past
introgressions with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem to
have interbred with a population of Homo that left Africa around a
half a million years before them.-a Neanderthals apparently interbred >>>> with humans from Africa around 250,000 years ago.-a Some extant
modern humans are descendants of hybrids with Denisovans and have
bits of Denisovan DNA and the more archaic Homo genome.-a All of the
extant humans descended from those that left Africa around 60,000
years ago have bits of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes as well as
bits of DNA from the previous migration out of Africa (250,000 years
ago) that we got from Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and
extant genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago.
Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo
that they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and
interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population died
out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.-a Previous
estimates of this interbreeding event have been between 200,000 and
500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to
60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it
out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of this
Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous out of
Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans interbreeding
with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years ago and since the
interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these instances seem to be dead
ends that haven't left evidence in extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in
Indonesia and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we
knew about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought
to be just part of the variation that left Africa even though you
can't find them in Africa nor among the fossils of the early
immigrants that left Africa.-a I just saw a picture of Trump with the
wind blowing his hair back, and he has the sloped forehead of
Neanderthal and Homo erectus. Neanderthals had a larger cranial
capacity than modern humans, but they didn't have foreheads.-a Looking
at Trump with his adult offspring you can tell that they got their
foreheads from their mother.-a It is just an indication that physical
traits and not just Neanderthal DNA are still segregating in the
modern human population.-a Trump styles his hair to hide this feature
so my guess is that he is aware that he has this cosmetic feature of
Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't look
like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a
dominant phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
president-children
A picture of Trump with his kids.-a Trumps hairdo hides the difference
between his forehead and all of theirs.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/09/an-illustrated-history-
of-donald-trumps-hair
Vanity Fair notes the strange way Trump styles his hair, but they do
not note that it is to hide his sloped forehead, but you can tell in
the picture on the right that he does not have the forehead that his
children and most of the Modern human population have.-a The article is
paywalled, and I did not pay to read the full article to determine
what they concluded about Trump's hair style.
Gish used to claim that if you put a hat on a Neanderthal that he
would go unnoticed in the population.-a They had much larger noses,
brow ridges, a sloped forehead and a skull that was more football shaped.
Ron Okimoto
markers, sometimes both.
On 11/18/2025 10:32 AM, erik simpson wrote:
On 11/18/25 7:18 AM, RonO wrote:
On 11/14/2025 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:Are you suggesting that Trump has more than his share of Neanderthal
On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments
of DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced.
Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past
introgressions with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem to >>>>> have interbred with a population of Homo that left Africa around a
half a million years before them.-a Neanderthals apparently
interbred with humans from Africa around 250,000 years ago.-a Some
extant modern humans are descendants of hybrids with Denisovans and >>>>> have bits of Denisovan DNA and the more archaic Homo genome.-a All
of the extant humans descended from those that left Africa around
60,000 years ago have bits of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes as
well as bits of DNA from the previous migration out of Africa
(250,000 years ago) that we got from Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and
extant genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago.
Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo
that they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and
interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population died >>>>> out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.-a Previous >>>>> estimates of this interbreeding event have been between 200,000 and >>>>> 500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to >>>>> 60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it >>>>> out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of
this Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous
out of Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans interbreeding >>>>> with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years ago and since the >>>>> interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these instances seem to be dead >>>>> ends that haven't left evidence in extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in
Indonesia and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we
knew about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought
to be just part of the variation that left Africa even though you
can't find them in Africa nor among the fossils of the early
immigrants that left Africa.-a I just saw a picture of Trump with the >>>> wind blowing his hair back, and he has the sloped forehead of
Neanderthal and Homo erectus. Neanderthals had a larger cranial
capacity than modern humans, but they didn't have foreheads.
Looking at Trump with his adult offspring you can tell that they got
their foreheads from their mother.-a It is just an indication that
physical traits and not just Neanderthal DNA are still segregating
in the modern human population.-a Trump styles his hair to hide this
feature so my guess is that he is aware that he has this cosmetic
feature of Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't look >>>> like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a
dominant phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
president-children
A picture of Trump with his kids.-a Trumps hairdo hides the difference
between his forehead and all of theirs.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/09/an-illustrated-history- of-donald-trumps-hair
Vanity Fair notes the strange way Trump styles his hair, but they do
not note that it is to hide his sloped forehead, but you can tell in
the picture on the right that he does not have the forehead that his
children and most of the Modern human population have.-a The article
is paywalled, and I did not pay to read the full article to determine
what they concluded about Trump's hair style.
Gish used to claim that if you put a hat on a Neanderthal that he
would go unnoticed in the population.-a They had much larger noses,
brow ridges, a sloped forehead and a skull that was more football
shaped.
Ron Okimoto
genes?-a Let's not allow this to become a racist question; could be
insulting to Neanderthals.-a My impression is that most people not now
living in sub-Saharan Africa have Neanderthal or Denisovan genetic
markers, sometimes both.
There is nothing racist about this reality.-a The sloped forehead or the Denisovan brow ridges are just cosmetic features.-a Everyone that is decended from the group of Modern humans that left Africa around 60,000 years ago have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA in their genomes.-a Most
of it is the same 20% of the Neanderthal genome dispersed in most of us (possibly, due to selection), but the claim is that if you sequence over 100,000 out of Africa genomes that they might be able to account for
around 80% of the Neanderthal genome.-a Certain populations of Europeans
and Asians may have more Neanderthal DNA than most others, and they
think that is just due to founder effects because they have the same
portion of the Neanderthal genome that the rest of us have, they just
have more of it.-a Though they have found fossils of hybrids in Europe
and Asia that occurred more recently than the first introgression it
doesn't look like the Neanderthal DNA in those hybrids made it into the extant population.-a They look like dead end family groups that left no ancestors, or not a significant number to leave much of a trace today.
This just means that for an obviously recessive or complex trait like
the sloped forehead it should be rare to get the Neanderthal genes
together to produce that phenotype.-a Trump did not pass the trait to his progeny so it is recessive or you need multiple Neanderthal gene
variants to see the trait.-a Some Europeans sport Neanderthal brow
ridges.-a They are not as pronounced as the Denisovan brow ridges of the Australoids.-a My guess is that the Australoid brow ridges were likely selected by sexual selection among that group, though some New Guineans
have 12% Denisovan DNA (just 2 generations from the hybrid generation,
if all matings were backcrosses with modern humans, would produce 12.5% Denisovan DNA).-a This is a significant amount, but a lot of the
individuals from the same population have a lot less, but still sport
the heavy brow ridges.-a It may be a trait that was preferred for some reason.
Ron Okimoto
On 11/18/25 7:18 AM, RonO wrote:
On 11/14/2025 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:Are you suggesting that Trump has more than his share of Neanderthal genes?-a Let's not allow this to become a racist question; could be insulting to Neanderthals.-a My impression is that most people not now living in sub-Saharan Africa have Neanderthal or Denisovan genetic
On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments of
DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced.
Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past
introgressions with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem to
have interbred with a population of Homo that left Africa around a
half a million years before them.-a Neanderthals apparently interbred >>>> with humans from Africa around 250,000 years ago.-a Some extant
modern humans are descendants of hybrids with Denisovans and have
bits of Denisovan DNA and the more archaic Homo genome.-a All of the
extant humans descended from those that left Africa around 60,000
years ago have bits of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes as well as
bits of DNA from the previous migration out of Africa (250,000 years
ago) that we got from Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and
extant genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago.
Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo
that they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and
interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population died
out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.-a Previous
estimates of this interbreeding event have been between 200,000 and
500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to
60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it
out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of this
Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous out of
Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans interbreeding
with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years ago and since the
interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these instances seem to be dead
ends that haven't left evidence in extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in
Indonesia and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we
knew about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought
to be just part of the variation that left Africa even though you
can't find them in Africa nor among the fossils of the early
immigrants that left Africa.-a I just saw a picture of Trump with the
wind blowing his hair back, and he has the sloped forehead of
Neanderthal and Homo erectus. Neanderthals had a larger cranial
capacity than modern humans, but they didn't have foreheads.-a Looking
at Trump with his adult offspring you can tell that they got their
foreheads from their mother.-a It is just an indication that physical
traits and not just Neanderthal DNA are still segregating in the
modern human population.-a Trump styles his hair to hide this feature
so my guess is that he is aware that he has this cosmetic feature of
Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't look
like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a
dominant phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
president-children
A picture of Trump with his kids.-a Trumps hairdo hides the difference
between his forehead and all of theirs.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/09/an-illustrated-history-
of-donald-trumps-hair
Vanity Fair notes the strange way Trump styles his hair, but they do
not note that it is to hide his sloped forehead, but you can tell in
the picture on the right that he does not have the forehead that his
children and most of the Modern human population have.-a The article is
paywalled, and I did not pay to read the full article to determine
what they concluded about Trump's hair style.
Gish used to claim that if you put a hat on a Neanderthal that he
would go unnoticed in the population.-a They had much larger noses,
brow ridges, a sloped forehead and a skull that was more football shaped.
Ron Okimoto
markers, sometimes both.
On 11/18/25 4:41 PM, RonO wrote:
On 11/18/2025 10:32 AM, erik simpson wrote:I was just joking.-a I know I have ~2% Neanderthal contribution, but have
On 11/18/25 7:18 AM, RonO wrote:
On 11/14/2025 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:Are you suggesting that Trump has more than his share of Neanderthal
On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments >>>>>> of DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced. >>>>>> Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past
introgressions with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem >>>>>> to have interbred with a population of Homo that left Africa
around a half a million years before them.-a Neanderthals
apparently interbred with humans from Africa around 250,000 years >>>>>> ago.-a Some extant modern humans are descendants of hybrids with
Denisovans and have bits of Denisovan DNA and the more archaic
Homo genome.-a All of the extant humans descended from those that >>>>>> left Africa around 60,000 years ago have bits of Neanderthal DNA
in their genomes as well as bits of DNA from the previous
migration out of Africa (250,000 years ago) that we got from
Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and
extant genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago. >>>>>> Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo
that they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and >>>>>> interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population
died out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.
Previous estimates of this interbreeding event have been between
200,000 and 500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000
to 60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that
made it out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and
some of this Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a
previous out of Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans
interbreeding with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years
ago and since the interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these
instances seem to be dead ends that haven't left evidence in
extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in
Indonesia and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we
knew about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought >>>>> to be just part of the variation that left Africa even though you
can't find them in Africa nor among the fossils of the early
immigrants that left Africa.-a I just saw a picture of Trump with
the wind blowing his hair back, and he has the sloped forehead of
Neanderthal and Homo erectus. Neanderthals had a larger cranial
capacity than modern humans, but they didn't have foreheads.
Looking at Trump with his adult offspring you can tell that they
got their foreheads from their mother.-a It is just an indication
that physical traits and not just Neanderthal DNA are still
segregating in the modern human population.-a Trump styles his hair >>>>> to hide this feature so my guess is that he is aware that he has
this cosmetic feature of Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't
look like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a
dominant phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
vice- president-children
A picture of Trump with his kids.-a Trumps hairdo hides the
difference between his forehead and all of theirs.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/09/an-illustrated-
history- of-donald-trumps-hair
Vanity Fair notes the strange way Trump styles his hair, but they do
not note that it is to hide his sloped forehead, but you can tell in
the picture on the right that he does not have the forehead that his
children and most of the Modern human population have.-a The article
is paywalled, and I did not pay to read the full article to
determine what they concluded about Trump's hair style.
Gish used to claim that if you put a hat on a Neanderthal that he
would go unnoticed in the population.-a They had much larger noses,
brow ridges, a sloped forehead and a skull that was more football
shaped.
Ron Okimoto
genes?-a Let's not allow this to become a racist question; could be
insulting to Neanderthals.-a My impression is that most people not now
living in sub-Saharan Africa have Neanderthal or Denisovan genetic
markers, sometimes both.
There is nothing racist about this reality.-a The sloped forehead or
the Denisovan brow ridges are just cosmetic features.-a Everyone that
is decended from the group of Modern humans that left Africa around
60,000 years ago have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA in their
genomes.-a Most of it is the same 20% of the Neanderthal genome
dispersed in most of us (possibly, due to selection), but the claim is
that if you sequence over 100,000 out of Africa genomes that they
might be able to account for around 80% of the Neanderthal genome.
Certain populations of Europeans and Asians may have more Neanderthal
DNA than most others, and they think that is just due to founder
effects because they have the same portion of the Neanderthal genome
that the rest of us have, they just have more of it.-a Though they have
found fossils of hybrids in Europe and Asia that occurred more
recently than the first introgression it doesn't look like the
Neanderthal DNA in those hybrids made it into the extant population.
They look like dead end family groups that left no ancestors, or not a
significant number to leave much of a trace today.
This just means that for an obviously recessive or complex trait like
the sloped forehead it should be rare to get the Neanderthal genes
together to produce that phenotype.-a Trump did not pass the trait to
his progeny so it is recessive or you need multiple Neanderthal gene
variants to see the trait.-a Some Europeans sport Neanderthal brow
ridges.-a They are not as pronounced as the Denisovan brow ridges of
the Australoids.-a My guess is that the Australoid brow ridges were
likely selected by sexual selection among that group, though some New
Guineans have 12% Denisovan DNA (just 2 generations from the hybrid
generation, if all matings were backcrosses with modern humans, would
produce 12.5% Denisovan DNA).-a This is a significant amount, but a lot
of the individuals from the same population have a lot less, but still
sport the heavy brow ridges.-a It may be a trait that was preferred for
some reason.
Ron Okimoto
a more or less vertical forehead and no prominent brow ridges.-a All
that's due to my predominantly northwest european (England, Scotland,
Wales, Norway.
On 18/11/2025 16:32, erik simpson wrote:
On 11/18/25 7:18 AM, RonO wrote:
On 11/14/2025 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:Are you suggesting that Trump has more than his share of Neanderthal
On 7/21/2024 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adi1768We've talked about Neanderthal DNA in our genomes and we now have
The article seems to be open access.
The article claims to be able to identify the origin of fragments
of DNA in the ancient and extant genomes that have been sequenced.
Neanderthal and Denisovan genomes show evidence of past
introgressions with other Homo populations.-a The Denisovans seem to >>>>> have interbred with a population of Homo that left Africa around a
half a million years before them.-a Neanderthals apparently
interbred with humans from Africa around 250,000 years ago.-a Some
extant modern humans are descendants of hybrids with Denisovans and >>>>> have bits of Denisovan DNA and the more archaic Homo genome.-a All
of the extant humans descended from those that left Africa around
60,000 years ago have bits of Neanderthal DNA in their genomes as
well as bits of DNA from the previous migration out of Africa
(250,000 years ago) that we got from Neanderthals.
They have a time line based on their reanalysis of archaic and
extant genomes.
Neanderthals and Denisovans left Africa around 600,000 years ago.
Previous estimates range from 500,000 to 800,000 years ago.
At some point the Denisovans interbred with a population of Homo
that they met in Asia.
Modern humans ventured out of Africa around 250,000 years ago and
interbred with Neanderthals, but the African humans population died >>>>> out or was incorporated into the Neanderthal population.-a Previous >>>>> estimates of this interbreeding event have been between 200,000 and >>>>> 500,000 years from my recollections.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to >>>>> 60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it >>>>> out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of
this Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous
out of Africa migration.
There is fossil DNA evidence for other African humans interbreeding >>>>> with Neanderthal between 60,000 and 250,000 years ago and since the >>>>> interbreeding 60,000 years ago, but these instances seem to be dead >>>>> ends that haven't left evidence in extant populations.
Ron Okimoto
evidence that the heavy brow ridges found among Australoids in
Indonesia and Australia came from Denisovan admixture.-a Before we
knew about the Denisovan introgression the brow ridges were thought
to be just part of the variation that left Africa even though you
can't find them in Africa nor among the fossils of the early
immigrants that left Africa.-a I just saw a picture of Trump with the >>>> wind blowing his hair back, and he has the sloped forehead of
Neanderthal and Homo erectus. Neanderthals had a larger cranial
capacity than modern humans, but they didn't have foreheads.
Looking at Trump with his adult offspring you can tell that they got
their foreheads from their mother.-a It is just an indication that
physical traits and not just Neanderthal DNA are still segregating
in the modern human population.-a Trump styles his hair to hide this
feature so my guess is that he is aware that he has this cosmetic
feature of Neanderthals.
Probably just something to add to the Trump legacy.-a It dosen't look >>>> like he passed it down to his offspring, so it likely isn't a
dominant phenotype.
Ron Okimoto
president-children
A picture of Trump with his kids.-a Trumps hairdo hides the difference
between his forehead and all of theirs.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/photos/2015/09/an-illustrated-
history- of-donald-trumps-hair
Vanity Fair notes the strange way Trump styles his hair, but they do
not note that it is to hide his sloped forehead, but you can tell in
the picture on the right that he does not have the forehead that his
children and most of the Modern human population have.-a The article
is paywalled, and I did not pay to read the full article to determine
what they concluded about Trump's hair style.
Gish used to claim that if you put a hat on a Neanderthal that he
would go unnoticed in the population.-a They had much larger noses,
brow ridges, a sloped forehead and a skull that was more football
shaped.
Ron Okimoto
genes?-a Let's not allow this to become a racist question; could be
insulting to Neanderthals.-a My impression is that most people not now
living in sub-Saharan Africa have Neanderthal or Denisovan genetic
markers, sometimes both.
sub-Saharan Africans also have Neanderthal markers, but at a level about
an order of magnitude less.
Modern humans left Africa and interbred with Neanderthals 50,000 to
60,000 years ago.-a The extant modern human populations that made it
out of Africa have a couple percent Neanderthal DNA and some of this
Neanderthal DNA is the 250,000 year old bits from a previous out of
Africa migration.
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