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https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and
it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will
happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."


Alain Fournier

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On 07/11/2024 21:29 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and
it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."

The only new thing will be the re-igniting of a Raptor engine in space.
This is mandatory for the FAA to allow SpaceX to attempt a landing.

Flight 7 will be much more interesting, with new designs and materials.

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On 2024-11-08 1:34 a.m., The Running Man wrote:

On 07/11/2024 21:29 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and
it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will
happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."

The only new thing will be the re-igniting of a Raptor engine in space. This is mandatory for the FAA to allow SpaceX to attempt a landing.

Flight 7 will be much more interesting, with new designs and materials.

I agree. Nonetheless, IFT-6 is important. Not everything went according
to plan on IFT-5. They need to tweak some things, IFT-6 should show
those tweaks are working. Even if the Block 2 ship will be quite
different, it will be good to know that Block 1 ship does work.


Alain Fournier

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After serious thinking Alain Fournier wrote :

On 2024-11-08 1:34 a.m., The Running Man wrote:

On 07/11/2024 21:29 Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and
it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will
happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."

The only new thing will be the re-igniting of a Raptor engine in space.
This is mandatory for the FAA to allow SpaceX to attempt a landing.

Flight 7 will be much more interesting, with new designs and materials.

I agree. Nonetheless, IFT-6 is important. Not everything went according to plan on IFT-5. They need to tweak some things, IFT-6 should show those tweaks
are working. Even if the Block 2 ship will be quite different, it will be good to know that Block 1 ship does work.

Alain Fournier

Apparently they are testing removing some heat shield tiles, and
changing the angle of attack. Booster will have software upgrades
(relating to abort criteria, for one thing), and some propulsion system reduncancy and some strengthening.

/dps
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Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."

Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps
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Snidely pounded on thar keyboard to tell us

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and
it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will
happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."


Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

Starship had a nice landing after dawn, caught by buoy cam and aerial
assets.

/dps
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watched a game between teams named the Indianapolis Kautskys and the
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On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-
test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket,
and it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch
will happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."


Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that
rCLautomated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch
tower triggered an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.


Alain Fournier

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On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship-
test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and >>> it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will
happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."


Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that rCLautomated
health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch tower triggered an
abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.

Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows. Given a sparse amount of
data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine
2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue. Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship, or perhaps some other
part was damaged and didn't respond properly.

/dps
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On Wednesday or thereabouts, Snidely asked ...

On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship- >>>> test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and >>>> it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will >>>> happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."


Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that rCLautomated
health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch tower triggered >> an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.


Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows. Given a sparse amount of data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine

er, booster

2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue. Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship,

again, booster

or perhaps some other part
was damaged and didn't respond properly.

I was also interested to see how long the booster remained afloat this
time. One of the tanks may have outlasted the ship.


/dps
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On 2024-11-20 4:15 p.m., Snidely wrote:

On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-
starship- test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket,
and it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship
launch will happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica
testing facility."


Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that
rCLautomated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch
tower triggered an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.


Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows.-a Given a sparse amount of data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine
2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue. Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship, or perhaps some other
part was damaged and didn't respond properly.

/dps

Thank you. I didn't know about the antenna problem. That shouldn't be a
big problem.


Alain Fournier

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Snidely scribbled something on Wednesday the 11/20/2024:

On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship- >>>> test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and >>>> it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will >>>> happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility."


Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that rCLautomated
health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch tower triggered >> an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.


Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows. Given a sparse amount of data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine
2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue. Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship, or perhaps some other part was damaged and didn't respond properly.

You should also go back to Friday and listen to a discussion of the
acoustic energy released by Flight 5.

<URL:https://youtu.be/Vuxjvb-8VTc?t=2658>

Dr Kent Gee of BYU Acoustics Lab talking with the NSF team. He'll tell
you how many Falcon 9s you need to launch simultaneously for the same
effect.

/dps "SpaceX only used 'IFT' for flight 1"
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Snidely explained :

Snidely scribbled something on Wednesday the 11/20/2024:

On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth-starship- >>>>> test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and >>>>> it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will >>>>> happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility." >>>>>

Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that
rCLautomated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch >>> tower triggered an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.


Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows. Given a sparse amount of
data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine
2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue.
Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship, or perhaps some other
part was damaged and didn't respond properly.

You should also go back to Friday and listen to a discussion of the acoustic energy released by Flight 5.

<URL:https://youtu.be/Vuxjvb-8VTc?t=2658>

Dr Kent Gee of BYU Acoustics Lab talking with the NSF team. He'll tell you how many Falcon 9s you need to launch simultaneously for the same effect.

/dps "SpaceX only used 'IFT' for flight 1"

For those who might be wanting some lemonade [1], any means to orbit is
ging to have use at least enough energy to match the potential energy difference of the mass-in-orbit from its PE on the ground, plus add the kinetic energy that its falling misses the earth.

[1] you can take this two ways, but Kool-Aid was the original
reference.

/dps
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instead, and see how that works out.

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On Wednesday, Alain Fournier queried:

On 2024-11-20 4:15 p.m., Snidely wrote:

On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth- starship- >>>>> test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and >>>>> it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will >>>>> happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility." >>>>>

Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that
rCLautomated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch >>> tower triggered an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing.


Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows.-a Given a sparse amount of
data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine
2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue.
Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship, or perhaps some other
part was damaged and didn't respond properly.

/dps

Thank you. I didn't know about the antenna problem. That shouldn't be a big problem.

It shouldn't, unless the antenna was a single point of failure, but it
could be indicating there was more damage to the tower than we could
see.

Alain Fournier

/dps
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On Wednesday, Snidely yelped out that:

On Wednesday, Alain Fournier queried:

On 2024-11-20 4:15 p.m., Snidely wrote:

On Wednesday or thereabouts, Alain Fournier declared ...

On 2024-11-19 5:19 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Alain Fournier explained :

https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/spacex-announces-sixth- starship- >>>>>> test-flight-on-nov-18

"SpaceX has announced the next test flight for its Starship rocket, and >>>>>> it's sooner than you probably expected. The sixth Starship launch will >>>>>> happen as early as Nov. 18 at SpaceX's Boca Chica testing facility." >>>>>>

Alain Fournier

Catch aborted, nice water landing, Starship currently nightside.

/dps

Does anyone know why they aborted the catch? All I heard is that
rCLautomated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch >>>> tower triggered an abort of the catch attemptrCY. Which means nothing. >>>>

Alain Fournier

Until SpaceX tells us, nobody outside knows.-a Given a sparse amount of >>> data, it's all speculation ... but:

1) water landing looked like ship was working fine
2) the tower experienced damage to an antenna/comms tower

so I think there's a pretty good chance that the tower had some issue.
Perhaps as simple as it couldn't "hear" the ship, or perhaps some other >>> part was damaged and didn't respond properly.

/dps

Thank you. I didn't know about the antenna problem. That shouldn't be a big >> problem.

It shouldn't, unless the antenna was a single point of failure, but it could be indicating there was more damage to the tower than we could see.

Perhaps someone has spotted it:

<URL:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Ri1mWpkQk&t=943s>
(Zack Goldin via Scott Manley)

Alain Fournier

/dps

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