• Re: Here's an illustration that the collective won't grasp

    From x@x@x.net to sci.physics on Wed Dec 17 02:35:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 12/13/25 12:05, JTEM wrote:

    Imagine a 4 dimensional being. How would their view
    of our world differ from your own? How might their
    interactions with our world appear to us? How would
    it manifest to us in our 3D existence?

    Now. Imagine a photon. It doesn't experience time.
    How would that differ from us? How might those
    differences manifest in our existence where we do
    experience time?

    'Space' is often thought of as having 3 'dimensions'
    whereas 'time' is often thought of as having one.
    It is possible for many people to conceive of spatial dimensions
    in a photograph or painting being set in a specific time.

    There is a specific set of philosophic ideas referred to as
    'philosophic idealism' and 'philosophic materialism'.

    I once remember reading in an astronomy magazine about 10 or
    20 years ago where material streaming from maybe a pulsar
    or quasar of going faster than light upon one vector direction
    but not necessarily across the vector that the mass material
    was going. In other words, since the mass stream was going at
    an angle it was going 'faster than light' in comparison with
    another reference frame. Then there is something called
    Cherenkov radiation that deals with light not in a vacuum.

    These specific 'ideas' in this circumstance are conveyed by
    a mechanism known of as 'writing', however images or sounds
    that are not in the form or writing might theoretically
    potentially have meaning also in some circumstances. That
    meaning might vary between different people at times.

    ...
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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.atheism,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Wed Dec 17 20:45:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Dawn Flood wrote:

    The Internet needs to be gone

    Maybe just a switch to verified users. That'll end the
    collective.
    --
    https://jtem.tumblr.com/
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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics on Thu Dec 18 04:12:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    x wrote:
    ^
    Who?

    On 12/13/25 12:05, JTEM wrote:

    Imagine a 4 dimensional being. How would their view
    of our world differ from your own? How might their
    interactions with our world appear to us? How would
    it manifest to us in our 3D existence?

    Now. Imagine a photon. It doesn't experience time.
    How would that differ from us? How might those
    differences manifest in our existence where we do
    experience time?

    'Space' is often thought of as having 3 'dimensions'
    whereas 'time' is often thought of as having one.

    Instead, there are 3 spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension that we
    can be sure of as we can observe them.

    It is possible for many people to conceive of spatial dimensions
    in a photograph or painting being set in a specific time.

    In a photograph or painting, the observed 3 spatial dimensions are projected onto a 2-dimensional surface.

    I once remember reading in an astronomy magazine about 10 or
    20 years ago where material streaming from maybe a pulsar
    or quasar of going faster than light upon one vector direction
    but not necessarily across the vector that the mass material
    was going. In other words, since the mass stream was going at
    an angle it was going 'faster than light' in comparison with
    another reference frame.

    Yes, these are only apparent speeds faster than light.

    Then there is something called Cherenkov radiation that deal
    with light not in a vacuum.

    Cherenkov radiation is emitted by electrically charged particles when they
    move faster than light relative to a medium, similar to the shockwave that created, and called a "sonic boom", when an object is moving through air
    faster than the speed of sound in air. This is possible because the phase speed of light in a medium is usually less than in vacuum (if the medium has
    a index of refraction n greater than 1), and which is the correct
    explanation for refraction in the first place:

    v_ph = c/n.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjt36SD3h8&list=PL41EYJuJ5YuB5ONdcygjVfoPBiMv5CRqC&index=2>
    pp.

    These specific 'ideas' in this circumstance are conveyed by
    a mechanism known of as 'writing', however images or sounds
    that are not in the form or writing might theoretically
    potentially have meaning also in some circumstances. That
    meaning might vary between different people at times.

    I have no idea what you are getting at.
    --
    PointedEars

    Twitter: @PointedEars2
    Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics on Thu Dec 18 04:14:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    x wrote:
    ^
    Who?

    On 12/13/25 12:05, JTEM wrote:

    Imagine a 4 dimensional being. How would their view
    of our world differ from your own? How might their
    interactions with our world appear to us? How would
    it manifest to us in our 3D existence?

    Now. Imagine a photon. It doesn't experience time.
    How would that differ from us? How might those
    differences manifest in our existence where we do
    experience time?

    'Space' is often thought of as having 3 'dimensions'
    whereas 'time' is often thought of as having one.

    Instead, there are 3 spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension that we
    can be sure of as we can observe them.

    It is possible for many people to conceive of spatial dimensions
    in a photograph or painting being set in a specific time.

    In a photograph or painting, the observed 3 spatial dimensions are projected onto a 2-dimensional surface.

    I once remember reading in an astronomy magazine about 10 or
    20 years ago where material streaming from maybe a pulsar
    or quasar of going faster than light upon one vector direction
    but not necessarily across the vector that the mass material
    was going. In other words, since the mass stream was going at
    an angle it was going 'faster than light' in comparison with
    another reference frame.

    Yes, these are only apparent speeds faster than light.

    Then there is something called Cherenkov radiation that deal
    with light not in a vacuum.

    Cherenkov radiation is emitted by electrically charged particles when they
    move faster than light relative to a medium, similar to the shockwave that
    is created, and called a "sonic boom", when an object is moving through air faster than the speed of sound in air. This is possible because the phase speed of light in a medium is usually less than in vacuum (if the medium has
    a index of refraction n greater than 1), and which is the correct
    explanation for refraction in the first place:

    v_ph = c/n.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjt36SD3h8&list=PL41EYJuJ5YuB5ONdcygjVfoPBiMv5CRqC&index=2>
    pp.

    These specific 'ideas' in this circumstance are conveyed by
    a mechanism known of as 'writing', however images or sounds
    that are not in the form or writing might theoretically
    potentially have meaning also in some circumstances. That
    meaning might vary between different people at times.

    I have no idea what you are getting at.
    --
    PointedEars

    Twitter: @PointedEars2
    Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.atheism,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Wed Dec 17 20:24:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 12/16/25 7:08 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 12/14/25 11:08 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
    JTEM *amok*-crossposted across 5 newsgroups
    You posted to 5 newsgroups.

    And you pretend to be studying physics? Can't even count as
    high as five yet pretending to be studying physics?

    Photons don't experience time. Thus, they don't experience space.
    There is literally nothing separating any point is space from
    any other point they can potentially reach.

    It's all the exact same place and exact same time, to the photon.


    i've often wondered if this means the future is entirely set in stone
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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Thu Dec 18 14:20:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Hiram wrote:
    jojo wrote:

    Hiram wrote:
    jojo wrote:

    Hiram wrote:
    JTEM wrote:

    On 12/13/25 5:23 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    For example, and I've already pointed this out a
    number of times so you doubtlessly missed it but,
    there's is no "Distance" or "Space" to a photon.

    We simply do not know that.

    Of course we do. It's inescapable. Once you say they don't
    experience time that means they don't experience
    distance/space.

    But you are reacting as predicted.


    i wanna suck black ass


    hiram, this is a serious physics discussion. you have to bring in
    the physics of ass sucking to counter.


    I've never studied the physics of black ass sucking but it does
    sound interesting.


    there is a course on that at columbia and nyu. its called power to
    the people. it has dynamics, thermodynamics and ai and neurology.


    sounds hard


    you will be able to get straight a's.


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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.atheism,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Thu Dec 18 14:33:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    dart200 wrote:
    On 12/16/25 7:08 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 12/14/25 11:08 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
    JTEM *amok*-crossposted across 5 newsgroups
    You posted to 5 newsgroups.

    And you pretend to be studying physics? Can't even count as
    high as five yet pretending to be studying physics?

    Photons don't experience time. Thus, they don't experience space.
    There is literally nothing separating any point is space from
    any other point they can potentially reach.

    It's all the exact same place and exact same time, to the photon.


    i've often wondered if this means the future is entirely set in
    stone

    cant be because then running this simulation would be pointless.

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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.atheism,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Thu Dec 18 14:34:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    JTEM wrote:
    -aDawn Flood wrote:

    The Internet needs to be gone

    Maybe just a switch to verified users. That'll end the
    collective.


    no thank you. i dont care for that.


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  • From Hiram@hiram@far.beg to alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Thu Dec 18 19:24:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    jojo wrote:

    Hiram wrote:
    jojo wrote:

    Hiram wrote:
    jojo wrote:

    Hiram wrote:
    JTEM wrote:

    On 12/13/25 5:23 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

    For example, and I've already pointed this out a
    number of times so you doubtlessly missed it but,
    there's is no "Distance" or "Space" to a photon.

    We simply do not know that.

    Of course we do. It's inescapable. Once you say they don't experience time that means they don't experience
    distance/space.

    But you are reacting as predicted.


    i wanna suck black ass


    hiram, this is a serious physics discussion. you have to
    bring in the physics of ass sucking to counter.


    I've never studied the physics of black ass sucking but it does
    sound interesting.


    there is a course on that at columbia and nyu. its called power to
    the people. it has dynamics, thermodynamics and ai and neurology.


    sounds hard


    you will be able to get straight a's.


    I'm not smart enough. But that's okay, basic black ass sucking is good
    enough for me.
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  • From x@x@x.net to sci.physics on Thu Dec 18 11:55:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 12/17/25 19:14, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    x wrote:
    ^
    Who?

    On 12/13/25 12:05, JTEM wrote:
    >
    > Imagine a 4 dimensional being. How would their view
    > of our world differ from your own? How might their
    > interactions with our world appear to us? How would
    > it manifest to us in our 3D existence?
    >
    > Now. Imagine a photon. It doesn't experience time.
    > How would that differ from us? How might those
    > differences manifest in our existence where we do
    > experience time?

    'Space' is often thought of as having 3 'dimensions'
    whereas 'time' is often thought of as having one.

    Instead, there are 3 spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension that we can be sure of as we can observe them.

    It is possible for many people to conceive of spatial dimensions
    in a photograph or painting being set in a specific time.

    In a photograph or painting, the observed 3 spatial dimensions are projected onto a 2-dimensional surface.

    I once remember reading in an astronomy magazine about 10 or
    20 years ago where material streaming from maybe a pulsar
    or quasar of going faster than light upon one vector direction
    but not necessarily across the vector that the mass material
    was going. In other words, since the mass stream was going at
    an angle it was going 'faster than light' in comparison with
    another reference frame.

    Yes, these are only apparent speeds faster than light.

    Then there is something called Cherenkov radiation that deal
    with light not in a vacuum.

    Cherenkov radiation is emitted by electrically charged particles when they move faster than light relative to a medium, similar to the shockwave that
    is created, and called a "sonic boom", when an object is moving through air faster than the speed of sound in air. This is possible because the phase speed of light in a medium is usually less than in vacuum (if the medium has a index of refraction n greater than 1), and which is the correct
    explanation for refraction in the first place:

    v_ph = c/n.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUjt36SD3h8&list=PL41EYJuJ5YuB5ONdcygjVfoPBiMv5CRqC&index=2>
    pp.

    These specific 'ideas' in this circumstance are conveyed by
    a mechanism known of as 'writing', however images or sounds
    that are not in the form or writing might theoretically
    potentially have meaning also in some circumstances. That
    meaning might vary between different people at times.

    I have no idea what you are getting at.

    Well you know with a lot of things what is obvious
    may end up getting ignored so much that it might
    be worthwhile to be 'pedantic' again simply because
    if it is ignored too much then it might be worthwhile
    to again point out to not neglect various steps in paths
    to true knowledge.

    You know there is 'writing' and there is 'pictures'
    whether they are still or motion pictures. Usenet
    tends to be oriented toward writing format.

    There was once the phrase that 'a picture is worth
    a thousand words', but some things do at times tend
    to mutate into their opposites. Nowadays a picture
    is almost proof that something is fake.



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  • From dart200@user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.atheism,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.conspiracy on Thu Dec 18 16:22:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 12/18/25 6:33 AM, jojo wrote:
    dart200 wrote:
    On 12/16/25 7:08 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 12/14/25 11:08 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
    JTEM *amok*-crossposted across 5 newsgroups
    You posted to 5 newsgroups.

    And you pretend to be studying physics? Can't even count as
    high as five yet pretending to be studying physics?

    Photons don't experience time. Thus, they don't experience space.
    There is literally nothing separating any point is space from
    any other point they can potentially reach.

    It's all the exact same place and exact same time, to the photon.


    i've often wondered if this means the future is entirely set in stone

    cant be because then running this simulation would be pointless.


    not necessarily considering the possibility of a seed "number"

    god's just trying to experience what happens
    --
    hi, i'm nick! let's end war EfOa

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