• Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power plants

    From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 06:14:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power plants Date:
    February 24, 2026
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death rates than those farther away.
    Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S. counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education, smoking, obesity,
    environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after accounting for those factors,
    cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear plants, particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


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  • From Jeroen Belleman@jeroen@nospam.please to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 10:15:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power plants Date:
    February 24, 2026
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death rates than those farther away.
    Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S. counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education, smoking, obesity,
    environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after accounting for those factors,
    cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear plants, particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    Jeroen Belleman
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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 10:44:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/2026 2:15 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants
    Date:
    -a February 24, 2026
    Source:
    -a Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    -a A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located
    closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death
    rates than those farther away.
    -a Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S.
    counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education,
    smoking, obesity,
    -a environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after
    accounting for those factors,
    -a cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear plants,
    particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    -a https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    Jeroen Belleman

    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from
    lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay
    Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century. The findings resulted in a ban on leaded gasoline in the United States.
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  • From Julio Di Egidio@julio@diegidio.name to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 20:24:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 26/02/2026 18:44, Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    On 2/26/2026 2:15 AM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants
    Date: February 24, 2026
    <snip>
    Paper, free download pdf:
    -a https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?

    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science
    periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.
    <snip>

    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from
    lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay
    Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century.-a The findings resulted in a ban on leaded gasoline in the United States.

    Polluting/polluted, poisoning/poisoned.

    Indeed our culture is not any less polluted
    than our nature (the "environment") is: not
    per chance we just keep talking about it
    meanwhile we... "survive"?

    Julio

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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 21:04:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    [F'up2 sci.physics]

    Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants

    Date:
    February 24, 2026
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S.
    counties located closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher
    cancer death rates than those farther away. Researchers analyzed data
    from every nuclear facility and all U.S. counties between 2000 and
    2018, adjusting for income, education, smoking, obesity, environmental
    conditions, and access to health care. Even after accounting for those
    factors, cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear
    plants, particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real? I thought radiation was used against
    cancer?

    *Focused* (usually particle) radiation (protons, electrons) is used in the treatment of cancer because a *focused* beam is targeted at tumor cells
    *only* (its energy is chosen such that it deposits most of its energy at the depth where the tumor is). (For that reason, particle accelerators are
    often involved in the treatment.)

    Widespread, *uncontrolled*, ionizing radiation (e.g. gamma radiation)
    affects non-tumor cells as well.

    In summary, ionizing radiation damages or destroys DNA, and is thus hostile
    to life as we know it, because e.g. by ejecting electrons it destroys
    molecular bonds. It depends on which cells and how many are affected by it whether that has a positive or negative effect on an individual's health.
    For example, it is quite possible that a low dosage of ionizing radiation
    leads to mutations (due to errors when duplicating DNA) that turn out to be evolutionary advantageous. But that is not the case here.

    TLDR.

    So you are merely arguing from your own ignorance.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not a
    word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Cite evidence.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    The report is from ScienceDaily, not "Science & Vie"; the referred paper was published in Nature Communications, a peer-reviewed open-access scientific journal with a high quality rating.
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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 21:17:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from
    lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay
    Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century. The findings resulted in a ban on leaded gasoline in the United States.

    Interesting. However, the idea of this ban was probably not only to protect horses. Lead, a heavy metal, is poisonous for almost all life, certainly humans. So it makes a lot of sense to avoid any chance of it getting in the air and ground water, for example.

    Similar regulations exist outside the USA, at the latest since the end of
    the 1990s.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Biological_effects>
    --
    PointedEars

    Twitter: @PointedEars2
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  • From x@x@x.net to sci.physics,alt.survival on Thu Feb 26 12:56:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/26 01:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants
    Date:
    -a February 24, 2026
    Source:
    -a Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    -a A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located
    closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death
    rates than those farther away.
    -a Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S.
    counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education,
    smoking, obesity,
    -a environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after
    accounting for those factors,
    -a cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear plants,
    particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    -a https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    Jeroen Belleman

    There is also the reality that persons who live near a nuclear plant
    might include persons who work in the plant. Some of them might
    have been exposed to ionizing radiation due to work related accidents.

    If you do not subtract those out then you could have a source of the
    increase there. If you do, then is that subtraction viable?

    There are vast differences in intensities and times of exposure for
    various concentrations of toxins as well as ionizing radiation. I am
    thinking that radon gas in basements has been known to be a long term
    source of exposure. How significant is it? Well it might not be
    obvious because these measurements might have highly different
    magnitudes of intensity or concentration.



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  • From Jeroen Belleman@jeroen@nospam.please to sci.physics on Thu Feb 26 22:17:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/26 21:04, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
    [F'up2 sci.physics]

    Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants

    Date:
    February 24, 2026
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S.
    counties located closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher >>> cancer death rates than those farther away. Researchers analyzed data >>> from every nuclear facility and all U.S. counties between 2000 and
    2018, adjusting for income, education, smoking, obesity, environmental >>> conditions, and access to health care. Even after accounting for those >>> factors, cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear >>> plants, particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real? I thought radiation was used against
    cancer?

    *Focused* (usually particle) radiation (protons, electrons) is used in the treatment of cancer because a *focused* beam is targeted at tumor cells *only* (its energy is chosen such that it deposits most of its energy at the depth where the tumor is). (For that reason, particle accelerators are
    often involved in the treatment.)

    Widespread, *uncontrolled*, ionizing radiation (e.g. gamma radiation)
    affects non-tumor cells as well.

    In summary, ionizing radiation damages or destroys DNA, and is thus hostile to life as we know it, because e.g. by ejecting electrons it destroys molecular bonds. It depends on which cells and how many are affected by it whether that has a positive or negative effect on an individual's health.
    For example, it is quite possible that a low dosage of ionizing radiation leads to mutations (due to errors when duplicating DNA) that turn out to be evolutionary advantageous. But that is not the case here.

    TLDR.

    So you are merely arguing from your own ignorance.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science
    periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not a
    word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Cite evidence.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    The report is from ScienceDaily, not "Science & Vie"; the referred paper was published in Nature Communications, a peer-reviewed open-access scientific journal with a high quality rating.


    I'm not totally ignorant of radiation and its effects. I've been
    a radiation worker for 30 years myself. What most people do not
    know is that we are all exposed to natural radiation at a rate of
    roughly 10 uSv/day. The added effect of artificial radiation on
    the general population is usually negligible.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.physics,alt.survival on Fri Feb 27 05:39:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    x <x@x.net>wrote:
    On 2/26/26 01:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants
    Date:
    -a February 24, 2026
    Source:
    -a Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    -a A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located
    closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death
    rates than those farther away.
    -a Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S.
    counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education,
    smoking, obesity,
    -a environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after
    accounting for those factors,
    -a cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear plants, >>> particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    -a https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science
    periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    Jeroen Belleman

    There is also the reality that persons who live near a nuclear plant
    might include persons who work in the plant. Some of them might
    have been exposed to ionizing radiation due to work related accidents.

    If you do not subtract those out then you could have a source of the
    increase there. If you do, then is that subtraction viable?

    There are vast differences in intensities and times of exposure for
    various concentrations of toxins as well as ionizing radiation. I am >thinking that radon gas in basements has been known to be a long term
    source of exposure. How significant is it? Well it might not be
    obvious because these measurements might have highly different
    magnitudes of intensity or concentration.

    Yes
    I moved house a few years ago:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/background_radiation_from_one_place_to_the_other.gif
    background radiation is higher here.

    I log radiation 24/7
    We had Chernobyl fallout here (Netherlands) and you were advised not to eat stuff from your garden.
    Where I worked in those days the filters in the aircos had to be replaced as those were 'hot'.
    Imagine what you were breathing all day outside!

    In an other place where I worked many years later (large accelerator in Amsterdam) the whole place got contaminated
    lucky a few years after I left there.
    There is a whole story about that, 'carelessness' a reason in my view.

    Anyways I decided a make a small radiation logger with GPS recorder so as to be able to see where I was and where the Uranium was .. (joke).
    But you could use it for prospecting.
    https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/

    It is an interesting subject.
    Have designed an build a gamma spectrometer (PMT based) too, to see just what is radiating.
    Played with that stuff in the past:
    https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/sc_pic/
    There is also a discussion group on that topic GammaSpectroscopy in groups.io:
    https://groups.io/g/GammaSpectroscopy

    Anyways, will be 80 years old in a few month from now,
    still running around.

    There was an interview with some guy in Chernobyl who had shot some deer and mounted the head of it on the wall, it was very radioactive.
    Reporter asked him:
    "Are you not afraid to sit under that radiating thing?"
    His reply was:
    "It is good for your cancer"

    So, and all the astronauts who have been exposed to high energy particles, some got really old..
    Pilots flying at high altitudes,

    Some lifeforms have survived outside of the ISS.
    Life is everywhere, we are stardust
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.physics,alt.survival on Fri Feb 27 05:58:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>wrote:
    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from
    lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay
    Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century. The findings resulted in a ban on
    leaded gasoline in the United States.

    Interesting. However, the idea of this ban was probably not only to protect >horses. Lead, a heavy metal, is poisonous for almost all life, certainly >humans. So it makes a lot of sense to avoid any chance of it getting in the >air and ground water, for example.

    Similar regulations exist outside the USA, at the latest since the end of
    the 1990s.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Biological_effects>


    :-)
    I have been working with 60/40 solder (lead/tin) as a kid since the early fifties.
    Almost 80 now, still using it:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/soldering_iron_tip_cleaning_IMG_6610.JPG

    There was an interesting article on the effect of lead on the Neanderthals a while back,
    those died out because of lead exposure, we survived:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251015230952.htm

    Lead in water pipes..
    https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/basic-information-about-lead-drinking-water


    Traffic is more dangerous... kills more..

    Medical errors do too

    COVID, trump using Fauci's illegal bat experiments,
    It's a wild world!!!

    Kennedy stopping vaccinations ..
    nutcase leaders committing genocide...
    Darwin rules
    One ant heap against the other
    What will come of WW3?


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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics,alt.survival on Fri Feb 27 13:41:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Please trim your quotes to the relevant minimum, as shown below.

    Jeroen Belleman wrote:

    I'm not totally ignorant of radiation and its effects. I've been
    a radiation worker for 30 years myself.

    What do you mean by that?

    What most people do not know is that we are all exposed to natural radiation at a rate of roughly 10 uSv/day.

    There is natural _radioactivity_ which you are probably referring to by your figure.

    The added effect of artificial radiation on
    the general population is usually negligible.

    That is false, as shown by many (even recent) examples.

    I will post a detailed response later, do not have time for that now.
    --
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    Twitter: @PointedEars2
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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to sci.physics,alt.survival on Fri Feb 27 08:03:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/2026 10:58 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>wrote:
    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from
    lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay
    Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century. The findings resulted in a ban on >>> leaded gasoline in the United States.

    Interesting. However, the idea of this ban was probably not only to protect >> horses. Lead, a heavy metal, is poisonous for almost all life, certainly
    humans. So it makes a lot of sense to avoid any chance of it getting in the >> air and ground water, for example.

    Similar regulations exist outside the USA, at the latest since the end of
    the 1990s.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Biological_effects>


    :-)
    I have been working with 60/40 solder (lead/tin) as a kid since the early fifties.
    Almost 80 now, still using it:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/soldering_iron_tip_cleaning_IMG_6610.JPG

    There was an interesting article on the effect of lead on the Neanderthals a while back,
    those died out because of lead exposure, we survived:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251015230952.htm

    Lead in water pipes..
    https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/basic-information-about-lead-drinking-water


    Traffic is more dangerous... kills more..

    Medical errors do too

    COVID, trump using Fauci's illegal bat experiments,
    It's a wild world!!!

    Kennedy stopping vaccinations ..
    nutcase leaders committing genocide...
    Darwin rules
    One ant heap against the other
    What will come of WW3?



    There were claims by "experts" in the post World War II era that
    inner-city African-American children would eat the chips of falling
    apart plaster in old houses that contained lead from paint due to
    hunger. It was claimed by these "experts" that the lead exposure from
    eating the paint flakes lowered the IQ of these inner city children by
    10 to 20 points.
    --
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  • From John Hasler@john@sugarbit.com to sci.physics on Fri Feb 27 09:26:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Ho Li Phuc writes:
    There were claims by "experts" in the post World War II era that
    inner-city African-American children would eat the chips of falling
    apart plaster in old houses that contained lead from paint due to
    hunger.

    Not hunger. Old paint sheds dust. Small children often lick random
    things and put all sorts of stuff in their mouths. They then ingest
    lead dust from lead paint.

    It was claimed by these "experts" that the lead exposure from eating
    the paint flakes lowered the IQ of these inner city children by 10 to
    20 points.

    While there is little doubt that there is an impact estimates of the
    size of that impact are guesswork.
    --
    John Hasler
    john@sugarbit.com
    Dancing Horse Hill
    Elmwood, WI USA
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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to sci.physics,alt.survival on Fri Feb 27 11:50:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/2026 1:56 PM, x wrote:
    On 2/26/26 01:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants
    Date:
    -a February 24, 2026
    Source:
    -a Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    -a A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located
    closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death
    rates than those farther away.
    -a Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S.
    counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education,
    smoking, obesity,
    -a environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after
    accounting for those factors,
    -a cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear
    plants, particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    -a https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science
    periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    Jeroen Belleman

    There is also the reality that persons who live near a nuclear plant
    might include persons who work in the plant.-a Some of them might
    have been exposed to ionizing radiation due to work related accidents.

    If you do not subtract those out then you could have a source of the
    increase there.-a If you do, then is that subtraction viable?

    There are vast differences in intensities and times of exposure for
    various concentrations of toxins as well as ionizing radiation.-a I am thinking that radon gas in basements has been known to be a long term
    source of exposure.-a How significant is it?-a Well it might not be
    obvious because these measurements might have highly different
    magnitudes of intensity or concentration.




    Somewhat on topic:

    The Plan To Kill Humanity: Total Extermination Is REAL | Drs. I. Hughes
    & S. Starr

    For 80 years our leaders have been working on the weapons and the plans
    to exterminate the planet and kill us all. And they got very good at it. Professor Ivana Hughes and Professor Steven Starr explain in this
    masterful presentation what nuclear war really means.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBIt8J_Vs1Y
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  • From Ho Li Phuc@HLP@aol.com to sci.physics,alt.survival on Fri Feb 27 11:52:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    On 2/26/2026 10:39 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    x <x@x.net>wrote:
    On 2/26/26 01:15, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2/26/26 07:14, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Massive US study finds higher cancer death rates near nuclear power
    plants
    Date:
    -a February 24, 2026
    Source:
    -a Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    -a A sweeping nationwide study has found that U.S. counties located
    closer to operating nuclear power plants have higher cancer death
    rates than those farther away.
    -a Researchers analyzed data from every nuclear facility and all U.S. >>>> counties between 2000 and 2018, adjusting for income, education,
    smoking, obesity,
    -a environmental conditions, and access to health care. Even after
    accounting for those factors,
    -a cancer mortality was higher in communities nearer to nuclear plants, >>>> particularly among older adults.

    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260224015537.htm

    Paper, free download pdf:
    -a https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-026-69285-4

    So, scaring people or for real?
    I thought radiation was used against cancer?


    TLDR.

    There was this study that was published in the French popular science
    periodical "Science & Vie", with the huge headline that they found
    triple the normal cancer rate in the neighbourhood of the La Hague
    nuclear fuel retreatment plant.

    Some closer searching revealed that in the studied area, the expected
    cancer rate was statistically 0.3 cases, and the study found one. Not
    a word about the statistical significance of that result.

    Science & Vie regularly pulls similar stunts and it has been steadily
    getting worse over the years. I've stopped reading it long ago.

    Jeroen Belleman

    There is also the reality that persons who live near a nuclear plant
    might include persons who work in the plant. Some of them might
    have been exposed to ionizing radiation due to work related accidents.

    If you do not subtract those out then you could have a source of the
    increase there. If you do, then is that subtraction viable?

    There are vast differences in intensities and times of exposure for
    various concentrations of toxins as well as ionizing radiation. I am
    thinking that radon gas in basements has been known to be a long term
    source of exposure. How significant is it? Well it might not be
    obvious because these measurements might have highly different
    magnitudes of intensity or concentration.

    Yes
    I moved house a few years ago:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/background_radiation_from_one_place_to_the_other.gif
    background radiation is higher here.

    I log radiation 24/7
    We had Chernobyl fallout here (Netherlands) and you were advised not to eat stuff from your garden.
    Where I worked in those days the filters in the aircos had to be replaced as those were 'hot'.
    Imagine what you were breathing all day outside!

    In an other place where I worked many years later (large accelerator in Amsterdam) the whole place got contaminated
    lucky a few years after I left there.
    There is a whole story about that, 'carelessness' a reason in my view.

    Anyways I decided a make a small radiation logger with GPS recorder so as to be able to see where I was and where the Uranium was .. (joke).
    But you could use it for prospecting.
    https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/

    It is an interesting subject.
    Have designed an build a gamma spectrometer (PMT based) too, to see just what is radiating.
    Played with that stuff in the past:
    https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/sc_pic/
    There is also a discussion group on that topic GammaSpectroscopy in groups.io:
    https://groups.io/g/GammaSpectroscopy

    Anyways, will be 80 years old in a few month from now,
    still running around.

    There was an interview with some guy in Chernobyl who had shot some deer and mounted the head of it on the wall, it was very radioactive.
    Reporter asked him:
    "Are you not afraid to sit under that radiating thing?"
    His reply was:
    "It is good for your cancer"

    So, and all the astronauts who have been exposed to high energy particles, some got really old..
    Pilots flying at high altitudes,

    Some lifeforms have survived outside of the ISS.
    Life is everywhere, we are stardust

    Insider reveals nuke industry facts:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAGXqXfTwms
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  • From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@PointedEars@web.de to sci.physics,alt.survival on Sat Feb 28 20:25:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    On 2/26/2026 10:58 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>wrote:
    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from
    lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay
    Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century. The findings resulted in a ban on >>>> leaded gasoline in the United States.

    Interesting. However, the idea of this ban was probably not only to protect
    horses. Lead, a heavy metal, is poisonous for almost all life, certainly >>> humans. So it makes a lot of sense to avoid any chance of it getting in the
    air and ground water, for example.

    Similar regulations exist outside the USA, at the latest since the end of >>> the 1990s.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Biological_effects>

    :-)
    I have been working with 60/40 solder (lead/tin) as a kid since the early fifties.
    Almost 80 now, still using it:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/soldering_iron_tip_cleaning_IMG_6610.JPG

    Lead poisoning in combination with old age might explain your mindbogglingly stupid behavior, such as crossposting without Followup-To, as well as your other stupid claims :->

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Lead-based>

    "Tin-lead (Sn-Pb) solders, also called soft solders, are commercially
    available with tin concentrations between 5% and 70% by weight. The greater
    the tin concentration, the greater the solder's tensile and shear strengths. Lead mitigates the formation of tin whiskers,[7] though the precise
    mechanism for this is unknown.[8] Today, many techniques are used to
    mitigate the problem, including changes to the annealing process (heating
    and cooling), addition of elements like copper and nickel, and the
    application of conformal coatings.[9] Alloys commonly used for electrical soldering are 60/40 Sn-Pb, which melts at 188 -#C (370 -#F),[10] and 63/37 Sn-Pb used principally in electrical/electronic work. The latter mixture is
    a eutectic alloy of these metals, which:

    1. has the lowest melting point (183 -#C or 361 -#F) of all the tin-lead
    alloys; and
    2. the melting point is truly a point rCo not a range.

    In the United States, since 1974, lead is prohibited in solder and flux in plumbing applications for drinking water use, per the Safe Drinking Water Act.[11] Historically, a higher proportion of lead was used, commonly 50/50. This had the advantage of making the alloy solidify more slowly. With the
    pipes being physically fitted together before soldering, the solder could be wiped over the joint to ensure water tightness. Although lead water pipes
    were displaced by copper when the significance of lead poisoning began to be fully appreciated, lead solder was still used until the 1980s because it was thought that the amount of lead that could leach into water from the solder
    was negligible from a properly soldered joint. The electrochemical couple of copper and lead promotes corrosion of the lead and tin. Tin, however, is protected by insoluble oxide. Since even small amounts of lead have been
    found detrimental to health as a potent neurotoxin,[12] lead in plumbing
    solder was replaced by silver (food-grade applications) or antimony, with copper often added, and the proportion of tin was increased (see lead-free solder)."
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    Twitter: @PointedEars2
    Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.physics,alt.survival on Sun Mar 1 07:16:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: sci.physics

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>wrote:
    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    On 2/26/2026 10:58 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>wrote:
    Ho Li Phuc wrote:
    I am reminded of a statistically high number of horses suffering from >>>>> lead poisoning on ranches surrounding a gasoline refinery in the Bay >>>>> Area in Northern California that produced leaded gasoline for
    automobiles back in the 20th century. The findings resulted in a ban on >>>>> leaded gasoline in the United States.

    Interesting. However, the idea of this ban was probably not only to protect
    horses. Lead, a heavy metal, is poisonous for almost all life, certainly >>>> humans. So it makes a lot of sense to avoid any chance of it getting in the
    air and ground water, for example.

    Similar regulations exist outside the USA, at the latest since the end of >>>> the 1990s.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Biological_effects>

    :-)
    I have been working with 60/40 solder (lead/tin) as a kid since the early fifties.
    Almost 80 now, still using it:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/soldering_iron_tip_cleaning_IMG_6610.JPG

    Lead poisoning in combination with old age might explain your mindbogglingly >stupid behavior, such as crossposting without Followup-To, as well as your >other stupid claims :->

    You are a bit of a new-comer on Usenet it seems
    https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/index.html
    Keep your insults to yourself, or to trump LOL.

    So far you just have been spouting crap, try reading:

    Key Usenet RFCs
    RFC NUMBER TITLE DATE DESCRIPTION
    RFC 822 Standard for the format of ARPA Internet text messages Aug 13, 1982 Defines the format for text messages in the ARPA Internet, serving as a basis for Usenet messages.
    RFC 850 Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages June 1983 Establishes the standard format for the interchange of Usenet messages among hosts.
    RFC 977 Network News Transfer Protocol Feb 1, 1986 Proposes a protocol for the distribution and retrieval of news articles among Usenet hosts.
    RFC 1036 Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages Dec 1987 Updates RFC 850, reflecting changes in the Usenet message format and transmission standards.

    And then write the code, your own newsreader, and publish it here!!!
    Same for all other stuff you know now shit about.
    Else shut up and start filling the vacuum between your donkey ears!

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