Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
God doesn't do Math.
maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
HarvardrCOs Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.
I'm going to Harvard!
BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
2 plus 2 equal 22
On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
God doesn't do Math.
maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
HarvardAs Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.
I'm going to Harvard!
BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
2 plus 2 equal 22
In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
that, "you may call me an agnostic."
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
God doesn't do Math.
maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
HarvardrCOs Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.
I'm going to Harvard!
BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
2 plus 2 equal 22
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
God doesn't do Math.
maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
HarvardrCOs Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.
I'm going to Harvard!
BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
2 plus 2 equal 22
In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
that, "you may call me an agnostic."
I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
absolute agnostic!"
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
God doesn't do Math.
maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
HarvardrCOs Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.
I'm going to Harvard!
BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
2 plus 2 equal 22
In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
that, "you may call me an agnostic."
I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
absolute agnostic!"
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God ,
the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will-a-a , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today,
he may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
may have thought differently about some things?! Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have probably become too much for him.
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)
is called Spinoza's God ,
the God Einstein believes in.
No Free Will-a-a , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today,
he may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because
requirements have probably become too much for him.
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he may >have thought differently about some things?! Agreed??
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)
Oversimplified.
is called Spinoza's God ,
No. Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same as the Dutch philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the Jewish community of Amsterdam because of that).
the God Einstein believes in.
"Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here. Einstein was an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by his own account). He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as "der Alte" (German for "the Old Man"). That is not what a true believer in a deity would do.
No Free Will-a-a , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all about. It is
mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things (without having created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be manifested); but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider them or Earth special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor would they exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.
It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an atheist; but if
so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that worldview, was an atheist, too.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Pantheism> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Metaphysics>
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today,
he may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because
requirements have probably become too much for him.
*facepalm*
Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to that job?
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent Office for 7 years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on his friend Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design, and Besso happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not earn enough
money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn son. As Besso
was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to develop his theories, which they talked about after work (especially Besso's support in developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in a "thank
you" note at the end of the first paper on that).
Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university professor of Physics and as a theoretical physicist.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Life_and_career>
F'up2 sci.physics
On 12/22/2025 12:07 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
jojo wrote:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)
Oversimplified.
is called Spinoza's God ,
No.-a Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same
as the Dutch
philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the
Jewish community
of Amsterdam because of that).
the God Einstein believes in.
"Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here.
Einstein was
an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by
his own
account).-a He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as
"der Alte"
(German for "the Old Man").-a That is not what a true believer
in a deity
would do.
No Free Will-a-a , human free will is an illusion; our choices
are
determined by natural causes.
That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all
about.-a It is
mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things
(without having
created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be
manifested);
but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider
them or Earth
special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor
would they
exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.
It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an
atheist; but if
so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that
worldview, was
an atheist, too.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Pantheism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Metaphysics>
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive
today,
he may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because
requirements have probably become too much for him.
*facepalm*
Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to
that job?
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent
Office for 7
years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on
his friend
Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design,
and Besso
happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not
earn enough
money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn
son.-a As Besso
was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to
develop his
theories, which they talked about after work (especially
Besso's support in
developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in
a "thank
you" note at the end of the first paper on that).
Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university
professor of
Physics and as a theoretical physicist.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Life_and_career>
F'up2 sci.physics
Cool!-a This goes to show you that getting a job as an academician
is really, really hard, even if one is a genius!-a I am, of
course, excluding "sponsorship," which can be for various (blush)
reasons.
Dawn
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will-a-a , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have probably become too much for him.
Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
Dawn Flood wrote:
On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God ,
the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will-a-a , human free will is an illusion; our choices
are
determined by natural causes.
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive
today, he may have thought differently about some things?!
Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because
requirements have probably become too much for him.
He would have several problems today:
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Quote
"A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing
them access to classified information (state or organizational
secrets) or to restricted areas,.."
2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be
elected into an office.
The question would be, whether or not Einstein would be eligible
today.
3)https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz.html
It would be next to impossible for Einstein today, to enter, go
to school, study and work in Switzerland as stateless alien.
4) he was actually educated as a teacher. Most likely this
wouldn't be sufficient for the patent office today.
TH
Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
Dawn Flood wrote:
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have
probably become too much for him.
He would have several problems today:
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Quote
"A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to restricted areas,.."
2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected
into an office.
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
Dawn Flood wrote:
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have >>> probably become too much for him.
He would have several problems today:
You completely missed the point again. Granted, it was a weak, trollish point, easy to miss.
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Quote
"A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them
access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to
restricted areas,.."
Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the Manhattan Project.
2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected
into an office.
Nonsense.
F'up2 poster
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:^^^^
^^^^^Thomas Heger wrote:
[...]
i'm confused.. are you replying to yourself???
Thomas Heger wrote:
Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
Dawn Flood wrote:
Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
may have thought differently about some things?!-a Agreed??
he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have >>> probably become too much for him.
He would have several problems today:
You completely missed the point again. Granted, it was a weak, trollish point, easy to miss.
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Quote
"A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them
access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to
restricted areas,.."
Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the Manhattan Project.
2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected
into an office.
Nonsense.
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