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On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God >>Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein that appear to me was
influenced by Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly >convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein


I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein


Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein


So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein



I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are >concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
Albert Einstein

More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.


"In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a
determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
in free willuthey believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that
doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."

"DonAt you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
sense?"

Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a
responsible being.

"I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."

"Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"

**The Danger of Too Much Analysis**

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
various factors over which I have no controluprimarily those
mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
our internal secretions."

"It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were determined by an inner voice."

"Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
undeniable fact that the human will is not free."

"DonAt you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."

"Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic
realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological factorsuespecially our endocrinesucontrol our destiny."

"Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"

"I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to
delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?

"Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
the somber pools of his eyes like a will-oA-the-wisp, "you remember
the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed
because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:

*Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move
first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*

"When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried
first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
walk at alluhe was paralyzed!

"It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our
mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."

"Are you then an opponent of Freud?"

"By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I
consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of
human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a
psychologist. FreudAs brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since Schopenhauer."

There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.

"Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
the story of human effort?"

"The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial
benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
anew."

"But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The
experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."

"Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments.
Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."

"Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"

"If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
years."

"You donAt agree with NietzscheAs sister that Mussolini is the
superman prophesied by her brother?"

Again a smile illuminated EinsteinAs features, but it was not as
jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert
itself with the illusion of freedom.

"If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"

**The Meaning of Mankind**

"I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am
right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists,
financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my
hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
wrong."

"Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"

"I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited.
Imagination encircles the world."

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
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On 01/31/2026 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein that appear to me was
influenced by Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly
convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein


I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein


Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein


So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein



I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are
concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
Albert Einstein

More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.

"In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a
determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
in free willuthey believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."

"DonAt you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
sense?"

Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a
responsible being.

"I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."

"Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"

**The Danger of Too Much Analysis**

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by various factors over which I have no controluprimarily those
mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
our internal secretions."

"It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were determined by an inner voice."

"Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
undeniable fact that the human will is not free."

"DonAt you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."

"Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological factorsuespecially our endocrinesucontrol our destiny."

"Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"

"I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to
delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?

"Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
the somber pools of his eyes like a will-oA-the-wisp, "you remember
the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:

*Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move
first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*

"When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried
first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
walk at alluhe was paralyzed!

"It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."

"Are you then an opponent of Freud?"

"By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of
human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a psychologist. FreudAs brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since Schopenhauer."

There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.

"Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
the story of human effort?"

"The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
anew."

"But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The
experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."

"Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments.
Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."

"Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"

"If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
years."

"You donAt agree with NietzscheAs sister that Mussolini is the
superman prophesied by her brother?"

Again a smile illuminated EinsteinAs features, but it was not as
jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert
itself with the illusion of freedom.

"If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"

**The Meaning of Mankind**

"I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my
hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
wrong."

"Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"

"I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.

The idea that "true determinism" and "free will" make a contradiction
is not necessarily so, instead a proper juxtaposition, contradistinction.

That nature is continuous and so as far as us finite creatures
in the mesoscale may interpret our views of the macroscale and
microscale, that it's "indistinguishable" from random, still
has that the modern data suggests it's also always the same laws.


That individuals have free will while yet there's a system of
the world, is most certainly agreeable since that diversity
and variety make for that individuals are distinct and unique,
while each in a world of thinking and feeling beings,
there are individuals.

It's like something Einstein might have said:
"G-d only had to roll one die, once,
and it's still rolling."

Einstein didn't exactly say "G-d does not roll dice."


These days sometimes one might browse the giant boob tube,
which though with the public access aspect has had a very
democratizing effect, in the sense of the popular, peupular, vis-a-vis
the usual Aristotlian definition of "democracy" as "rule of law",
that though the "AI Avatars of Feynman" or something like that,
are pretty much incomplete and shallow simulacrums (simulacra), i.e.,
failing the Turing simulacrum test. They don't have "the intuition"
and just re-hash the boiled-down.

So, having a pretty thorough account of "de res de racio de natura de
re", the reasoned rationality of nature the real, is pretty simple
once you get a paradox-free reason about principles of sufficient
and thorough reason and a strong mathematical platonism for a
strong logicist positivism for a strong mathematical universe
hypothesis.

Then, there's order and structure in nature, including that
life in it is as of individuals. Aristotle's definition of
"entropy" and Leibnitz' definition of "entropy" are opposites.


It's a continuum mechanics, ....







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On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 23:38:55 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God >>>Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are >>>determined by natural causes.

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein that appear to me was
influenced by Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly >>convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein


I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too >>seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein


Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein


So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect >>intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein



I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are >>concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he >>does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews >>believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew. >>Albert Einstein

More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.

"In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a
determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
in free willuthey believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that >doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."

"DonAt you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
sense?"

Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am >nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a
responsible being.

"I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."

"Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"

**The Danger of Too Much Analysis**

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
various factors over which I have no controluprimarily those
mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
our internal secretions."

"It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were >determined by an inner voice."

"Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
undeniable fact that the human will is not free."

"DonAt you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."

"Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic
realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological >factorsuespecially our endocrinesucontrol our destiny."

"Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"

"I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that >psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to
delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?

"Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
the somber pools of his eyes like a will-oA-the-wisp, "you remember
the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed >because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:

*Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move
first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*

"When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried
first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
walk at alluhe was paralyzed!

"It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our
mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."

"Are you then an opponent of Freud?"

"By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I
consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of
human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a >psychologist. FreudAs brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since >Schopenhauer."

There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.

"Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
the story of human effort?"

"The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial >benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our >knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
anew."

"But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The
experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."

"Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or >characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments.
Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."

"Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"

"If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
years."

"You donAt agree with NietzscheAs sister that Mussolini is the
superman prophesied by her brother?"

Again a smile illuminated EinsteinAs features, but it was not as
jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert
itself with the illusion of freedom.

"If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"

**The Meaning of Mankind**

"I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am
right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, >financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my
hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
wrong."

"Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"

"I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. >Imagination encircles the world."

Now here Einstein believes in "I believe with Schopenhauer:..."

Here he sez:

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
various factors over which I have no control..."

Meaning, he had no control when he decided to drop TWO bombs on Japan
murdering hundreds of thousands of the Japanese people.

Now, if you people believe Adolph Hitler is responsible for killing
6 million people...he had undoubtedly determined not by his own will,
but by various factors over which he has no control..."

No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.


Nature LOVES serial killers...


WHY? you need to talk to Nature.






--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2026 12:47:31 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 23:38:55 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker >>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God >>>>Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are >>>>determined by natural causes.

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein that appear to me was
influenced by Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly >>>convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being, >>>endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting >>>according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein


I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all >>>situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of >>>others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too >>>seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein


Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein


So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect >>>intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion >>>that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein



I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are >>>concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he >>>does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews >>>believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew. >>>Albert Einstein

More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.


"In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a >>determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
in free willuthey believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that >>doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."

"DonAt you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
sense?"

Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am >>nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a >>responsible being.

"I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."

"Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"

**The Danger of Too Much Analysis**

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by >>various factors over which I have no controluprimarily those
mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
our internal secretions."

"It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were >>determined by an inner voice."

"Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
undeniable fact that the human will is not free."

"DonAt you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."

"Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic >>realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological >>factorsuespecially our endocrinesucontrol our destiny."

"Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"

"I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that >>psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to >>delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?

"Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
the somber pools of his eyes like a will-oA-the-wisp, "you remember
the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed >>because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:

*Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move >>first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*

"When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried >>first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
walk at alluhe was paralyzed!

"It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our >>mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."

"Are you then an opponent of Freud?"

"By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I >>consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of >>human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a >>psychologist. FreudAs brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since >>Schopenhauer."

There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.

"Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
the story of human effort?"

"The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial >>benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our >>knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
anew."

"But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The >>experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."

"Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or >>characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments. >>Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."

"Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"

"If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
years."

"You donAt agree with NietzscheAs sister that Mussolini is the
superman prophesied by her brother?"

Again a smile illuminated EinsteinAs features, but it was not as
jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert >>itself with the illusion of freedom.

"If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"

**The Meaning of Mankind**

"I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am >>right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, >>financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my >>hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
wrong."

"Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"

"I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. >>Imagination encircles the world."

Now here Einstein believes in "I believe with Schopenhauer:..."

Here he sez:

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
various factors over which I have no control..."

Meaning, he had no control when he decided to drop TWO bombs on Japan >murdering hundreds of thousands of the Japanese people.

Now, if you people believe Adolph Hitler is responsible for killing
6 million people...he had undoubtedly determined not by his own will,
but by various factors over which he has no control..."

No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.

Nature LOVES serial killers...

WHY? you need to talk to Nature.

Albert Einstein thought of an idea..

"It also is credible that an extensive use could be made of
radioactivated gases which would spread over a wide region, causing
heavy loss of life without damage to buildings." - Albert Einstein

Kill people but save the buildings!

I'm sure Israel would like that idea. Look at the mess they made just
trying to get more ...real estate.

put them all in a train somewhere and gas them all...learn from
history!



You know how long it took to kill the american indians? 100 years!



(they called it the 100 year war.)


Guess how they did it?







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In order for one today to continue to be an atheists...one needs to
'pretend' that God does not exist. It's the only way one can survive
being an atheists.

Keep on trucking..






On Wed, 04 Feb 2026 12:47:31 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 23:38:55 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker >>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God >>>>Einstein believes in.
No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are >>>>determined by natural causes.

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein that appear to me was
influenced by Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly >>>convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being, >>>endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting >>>according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein


I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all >>>situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of >>>others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too >>>seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein


Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein


So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect >>>intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion >>>that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein



I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are >>>concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he >>>does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein


I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews >>>believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew. >>>Albert Einstein

More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.


"In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a >>determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
in free willuthey believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that >>doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."

"DonAt you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
sense?"

Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am >>nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a >>responsible being.

"I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."

"Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"

**The Danger of Too Much Analysis**

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by >>various factors over which I have no controluprimarily those
mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
our internal secretions."

"It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were >>determined by an inner voice."

"Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
undeniable fact that the human will is not free."

"DonAt you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."

"Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic >>realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological >>factorsuespecially our endocrinesucontrol our destiny."

"Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"

"I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that >>psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to >>delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?

"Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
the somber pools of his eyes like a will-oA-the-wisp, "you remember
the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed >>because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:

*Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move >>first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*

"When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried >>first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
walk at alluhe was paralyzed!

"It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our >>mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."

"Are you then an opponent of Freud?"

"By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I >>consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of >>human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a >>psychologist. FreudAs brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since >>Schopenhauer."

There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.

"Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
the story of human effort?"

"The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial >>benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our >>knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
anew."

"But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The >>experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."

"Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or >>characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments. >>Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."

"Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"

"If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
years."

"You donAt agree with NietzscheAs sister that Mussolini is the
superman prophesied by her brother?"

Again a smile illuminated EinsteinAs features, but it was not as
jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert >>itself with the illusion of freedom.

"If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"

**The Meaning of Mankind**

"I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am >>right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, >>financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my >>hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
wrong."

"Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"

"I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. >>Imagination encircles the world."

Now here Einstein believes in "I believe with Schopenhauer:..."

Here he sez:

"My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
various factors over which I have no control..."

Meaning, he had no control when he decided to drop TWO bombs on Japan >murdering hundreds of thousands of the Japanese people.

Now, if you people believe Adolph Hitler is responsible for killing
6 million people...he had undoubtedly determined not by his own will,
but by various factors over which he has no control..."

No Free Will , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes.

Nature LOVES serial killers...

WHY? you need to talk to Nature.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
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